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As a stien voter. I pretty much laugh at people that complain about Democrats loss. Yeah Democrats suck I don’t vote for them because I don’t want them to be legitimized. Also I push for approval voting system
“Democrats are not doing enough to encourage people to vote for Democrats.” is a warning, not a threat.
People who make and post memes like this seem to think that the people complaining about conservative Democrats and pointing out problems in the party are not voting for Democrats. I think they largely wrong about that. We are voting for all Democrats all the time, but warning you that your messaging sucks and you are not going to get the turnout you need. It is not our fault we were correct.
Wrong! ANY criticism of the party means you’re a secret maga Russian plant. The democrats are perfect and don’t need to improve in any way!
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I mean, you certainly argue like a MAGA.
You’re not promoting the party, it doesn’t matter how much you vote for them if you actively dissuade others from doing the same.
Exactly. “Back the blue no matter who” is great and dandy in the months between primaries and the election, but at any other time it’s a straight-up nonsense phrase. We’re now well into the “Who’ll be the new blue?” stage, and the last thing we need is to let some ancient, entitled, dem politician shuffle in and take “their turn” and for democrats to just go with it again. Now’s the time to build a movement against the dnc establishment and for the progressive wing.
I also don’t really see the point in the meme and ones like it. The election already happened, and whether you personally blame voters or the dnc, either way it’s the dnc’s problem to fix or they’re gonna go extinct.
The point is we failed to promote the DNC in those months when it actually mattered and millions of people who voted for the party before stayed home instead. We need to promote the DNC, not just shit on them. We need to convince people to vote for those fucking mummies and those tech and science illiterate dolts because the alternative is worse and we need to scream that from the mountaintops “The DNC will protect you. The DNC will enrich your lives. Voting against the DNC is self-harm. The GOP wants DEATH for Profits.”
After the primaries yes, we should do all of that. And though it sounds like I’m taking a shit on the dnc (well tbh I kinda am), the way I see it they’re in serious need of some constructive criticism, because ironically for a “democratic” party they’re incredibly out of touch with their voters, proved by a good portion of them not even showing up for them the last major election. Now is the perfect time to work on the dnc.
The DNC will protect you. The DNC will enrich your lives
See this might be marginally true, certainly more true of the dnc than the gop, but that’s a low bar and there’s so much room for improvement. A lot of Dems are transparently in the pockets of the wealthy, and many protections are lip-service at best. I’ve even read articles recently about a few dem politicians walking back their pro-trans-rights positions. If now was post-primary, I’d be hold my breath ticked off that the lesser evil chose to be a little more evil at the last second, but now is the time to clean up the mess and build a more popular and representative dnc before the next major election. They can start by taking a sloganeering class
The whole genocide joe Gaza bullshit proves this wrong. There were plenty of ‘protest’ votes this round. But their protest issues were stupid because trump had worse direction on all of them but for whatever reason that was ignored and everyone focused on Harris and Biden. As if trump wasn’t just waiting to glass the whole place and turn it into a resort or golf course already.
for whatever reason that was ignored and everyone focused on Harris and Biden.
It’s because Democrats have always been held to higher standards. Because we expect nothing from Republicans, because Republicans never deliver. Ever. So now all our expectations rest on Democrats and when you place all your expectations on one thing, it will always fail to live up.
So Democrats have to be flawless while Republicans get to literally be lawless.
Pretty stupid country we’ve got here. Signing our democracy away because one party can’t be perfect.
Man being anti-genicide isn’t the bar for flawless buddy. The bar is way higher than that. Flawless is not what you use to describe something that everyone should be except fucking war criminals.
If a Republican is moderate on abortion or refuses to kiss the ring, they label him a Republican In Name Only (RINO) and he loses his primary.
Democrats have to be flawless
They really don’t and the fact that you don’t see that is why the blindness of the dems lead to their failure.
It is not our fault we were correct.
No. It’s your fault you’re not doing anything about it.
Create a community for every state and win the midterms (where applicable). Start there.
Lemmy tradition: assuming everyone else is a keyboard warrior with no direct action.
We are trying. I volunteer for campaigns and knock on doors for progressive candidates. And they get attacked by the kind of democrats who take most of their campaign contributions from property developers and car dealerships.
If you are voting for the establishment and attacking anybody who brings up valid criticisms, YOU are not doing anything about it.
People who make and post memes like this seem to think that the people complaining about conservative Democrats and pointing out problems in the party are not voting for Democrats. I think they largely wrong about that. We are voting for all Democrats all the time, but warning you that your messaging sucks and you are not going to get the turnout you need. It is not our fault we were correct.
This is true in the general population, but I just feel the need to point out that folks who explicitly weren’t voting for Dems, as well as folks who were indistinguishable from MAGA talking points, were very prominent on Lemmy, which is part of the reason why you see a lot of this soreness still.
I voted for those assholes up and down. They still suck.
Elections are a popularity contest with weird rules more than anything…
But the DNC kept trying to force uncharismatic candidates with conservative policy down voters throats, and stole funds from state parties to focus on that costing us down ballot races making losing have even more consequences.
They haven’t just been putting all our eggs in one basket.
They put it in the basket of a 20 year old shitty child’s bike and then put Biden on and pushed him into the interstate.
Voter can’t fail a party, but Dems have been failing their voters for decades.
I’m optimistic Martin will change that, enough to give him a fair shot and not just a month.
Dems have absolutely been failing to be an effective political party, but good lord I’d rather have the milquetoast incompetency on democratic control of the government than this abaolute shitshow that Republicans have been running for the last… God it’s only been a month and a half since the inauguration.
Milquetoast incompetence makes them lose elections.
Them losing elections allows republicans to have a shit show.
Then the Dems get a modicum of power and do milquetoast incompetence again, and the cycle repeats.
It’s been this way my entire life.
It’s been this way my entire life.
That’s because Americans are stupid/hateful, not because the Democrat party is particularly bad.
The democratic party’s first job is to win elections.
They are very very bad at that.
And American voter’s first job is to responsibly inform themselves so they can make informed decisions come election time.
The Democrat party’s voting history is there for anyone to peruse through. I’ll save you the trouble and inform you that it is FULL of votes in favor of the lower/middle classes.
If the Democrat party fails to advertise themselves effectively, that voting history is still there, waiting for non-lazy Americans to inform themselves with. If Americans choose not to do that, then they are failing at their civic duty as citizens in a democracy. And now our democracy is in serious jeopardy because of their laziness.
You win elections with the electorate you have, not the electorate you want.
Clearly people are not responsibly informed and do not make informed decisions. Democrats need to account for the fact that most Americans are idiots if they want to control anything except a few states and cities.
There are too few non-lazy Americans for them to rely on them for victory.
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Voter can’t fail a party
Nope, but they can sure fail their country. And did.
I’m an adult, so I’ll take an uncharismatic candidate over a traitor felon rapist who deconstructs our federal government, destroys our allegiances, fucks up our economy, and bends the knee to Russia.
But I accept that a LOT of Americans are simply children trapped in adult bodies.
I’m an adult, so I’ll take an uncharismatic candidate over a traitor felon rapist
Great.
But like a whole shit ton of people tried to warn for the last year now, Biden/Kamala we’re enough to beat trump.
We’ll need all the voters again, we won’t need anyone that was involved in either of their campaigns though. So why shit on the literal tens of millions we need in defense of less than an airplane’s worth of people who hightailed it back to their mansions?
You get that, right? We don’t have to run uncharismatic conservative candidates to beat trump, it’s literally the worst option we have
We can just run a charismatic candidate with a progressive campaign promise like we did with Obama. Did you forget that?
So why shit on the literal tens of millions we need in defense of less than an airplane’s worth of people who hightailed it back to their mansions?
You answered your own question.
That airplane’s worth of people come and go. They won’t be relevant next time around.
The tens of millions of people that failed to do their civic duty and inform themselves responsibly, waiting around instead for a party to court them until they felt appeased, will still be there, not doing their civic duty next time around.
And that is why the fault rests on American voters, not politicians that come and go.
So you think insulting them and badgering them that they shouldn’t have a single standard then letter by name…
You…
You think this is the most effective move to get them back in the party?
You don’t even kind of think what would be most effective is explaining to people how the DNC works and what the new chair is like would work better?
Cuz like, I just have a bachelor’s in psychology, so I would absolutely love to hear what I’m missing where you think the best way to recruit people in the fight against fascism is yelling insults.
If you want to help, actually want to help, can you do what will actually work and not work against the party?
I know the PUMA people are still around and bitter from 08, this is starting to feel like that. I tend to just block those people tho so I can concentrate on what translates to Dem gains in the federal government
The democrats were wrong, they fucking lost!
The Party cannot fail, it can only be failed.
spoken like a true cult member.
I’m guessing they’re being sarcastic
It can be hard to tell anymore.
Even the existence of the phrase “vote blue no matter who” is a dead giveaway as to why the Democrats failed… Again.
You cannot run entirely on simply not being the other party. That is not enough to entice voters on the fence. You might think it is and those people on the fence are too stupid so they should just “vote blue no matter who”, but clearly that hasn’t been fucking work for the Democrats.
Trump begging to be king should have been enough. The fact that it wasn’t shows it’s not just ‘what the democrats do’ it’s that people are fucking stupid and hateful. Hell the VP doesn’t even know where this country came from. These people are not American. They’re traitors to the red coats and don’t even know what that means.
The fact that it wasn’t shows it’s not just ‘what the democrats do’ it’s that people are fucking stupid and hateful.
Well here’s the thing: The average person does not, in fact, care about nebulous ideas like democracy. And why would they? Why did the democracy people do for them? Hint: The answer is nothing. That’s why they vote Republican, because Republicans promise change rather than more of the same.
The average person does not, in fact, care about nebulous ideas like democracy.
Then they are profoundly stupid and have no right to live in, and benefit from, a democracy. They shame the people who died to give it to them.
And why would they?
Because people died to give it to them and they benefit GREATLY from it.
Why did the democracy people do for them? Hint: The answer is nothing.
Ignorant comment. Look up the democrat’s voting history. It is full of votes in favor of the middle/lower classes. They gave me affordable healthcare when I was young and poor. The last democrat president forgave part or all of a lot of people’s student loans. It also isn’t just about what they do, it’s about what they don’t do. Like shit on the Constitution. Strip women of rights. Deconstruct our federal government. Fire a bunch of veterans. Destroy our allegiances.
because Republicans promise change rather than more of the same.
Sure, but the change is always negative. Economically and socially.
It is full of votes in favor of the middle/lower classes.
I wouldn’t call it full of them, but this statement is in essence true. However, they don’t go nearly far enough. The Democrats promise bandaids as the country is dragged towards late stage capitalism hell by the ultra rich, and then they apply some of those bandaids as the country is—predictably—dragged toeards late stage capitalism hell by the ultra rich. The Republicans promise to end that and finally Make America Great Again. This strikes close to home because things have been getting worse for the majority of people for the last four decades, so when someone tells them that’s the cultural Marxists’ fault and if we end DEI things will get better like they were in the pre-DEI past they listen. That’s what I meant by democracy not doing anything for them; the bandaids don’t feel like they matter when they do nothing about the guy squeezing the wound for blood.
Sure, but the change is always negative. Economically and socially.
That’s what they actually do. What they promise to do is Make America Great (and white) Again. It’s the fascist playbook to the letter; they redirect the working class’s resentment rooted in their worsening circumstances from the ruling class to an imaginary enemy (Jews, immigrants, etc) that they then persecute while promising their followers that one more pogrom and things will get better. There’s only one counterplay to this and it’s to actually go after the ultra rich and build a more equitable society.
You ignore one simple fact.
The GOP always votes Red, no matter who.
It takes two sides to have a reasonable discussion, but only one side to start a war.
It’s a war and you’ve been invaded.
The GOP always votes Red, no matter who.
They literally don’t though. They voted for Trump because they liked him, not because he ran as a Republican. There’s that phenomenon where Trump voters also vote for candidates like AOC or Bernie Sanders, so… Yeah.
A lot of people that voted for Bernie back in the day voted for Trump and then AOC down ballot in 24.
The far left cannot fathom people making those choices or existing at all it seems. But they really do.
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far leftcannot fathom people making those choices or existing at all it seems. But they really do.Milquetoast liberals are about as much in denial about this as the hard left socialists, maybe even more so.
I definitely feel the denial rates on this particular topic lessen the more towards center you get, but I get your point.
A lot of people that voted for Bernie back in the day voted for Trump and then AOC down ballot in 24.
Suuuuuuure they did buddy…
Now get to sleep so the Easter Bunny has time to hide the eggs.
https://www.huffpost.com/entry/aoc-trump-voters_n_67320370e4b052f25adcff55
AOC was surprised and when she tried to talk to people to understand why they would vote for her and Trump the left threw a fit and yelled at her.
Y’all are in deep denial about this shit apparently.
Oh ok…
That’s saying more people voted her and trump in 2024 than voted her and trump in 2020.
Not what you claimed it said.
That number includes people who voted Republican up and down ballot in 2020 just as much as it includes people who voted D for both in 2020.
The fascist party always votes for fascists without thought? Who woulda guessed.
Guess we gotta be fascists and vote without thought to beat them! Why has no one just tried to out fascist fascists before, it’s so simple and you’re so smart for coming up with that strategy.
So what’s your plan?
How do we get Trump out? Create a 3rd Party in under 24 months?
Any usable ideas?
Acknowledge the problems Americans are actually facing, pick the leaders of the thousands of protests currently happening as grass roots campaigners, identify of those leaders who has the admin experience to do the boring jobs of an elected official, while folding in the hundreds of third party reps already in office by simply taking their talking points into the platform. Ideally make a show of rejecting corporate funding and roll some union leaders into the party to provide easy consistent funding sources.
People are happy to vote for things, if they believe you’re not a cop or corporate puppet, like Harris or Clinton respectively.
Oh, and public executions for people that think you can’t have a third party in fptp even when one party falls entirely out of favor.
So, the same people who didn’t show up for Bernie in 2016, 2020, and 2024 are suddenly going to come to the polls now?
People keep posting like there’s this giant army of leftists out there. I haven’t seen them yet, and don’t plan on counting on them.
Also, your plan is remarkably light on details. Are these people going to be voting in Dem primaries, or creating a 3rd party.
And there’s not one candidate named. Just some vague Not Hillary Clinton.
Yes, the people that thought sanders had no chance due to dnc corruption that they were objectively correct about will mobilize for someone without that restriction. If sanders were to start a third party he alone would ensure the dnc never gets another candidate in office. And he’s a moderate.
Because of the rules on civility, I’m going to say this as absolutely nicely as I can. Who the fuck are you to demand more from a random on the internet than the entire democratic party has ever given anyone?
It’s a more concrete plan than continuing to go far right as the Dems did in the last two elections where they lost.
M4a has around a 70% approval rating in polls, as does measures like focusing on green energy, taxing the rich, providing free college, retraining police, and reducing the power of the executive. Hell even ubi has over 50% in most polls. “Leftist” policies are popular. Hell socialism is extremely popular. You just can’t use the word socialist or communist thanks to 80 years of you people existing.
I asked for a plan. You don’t have one. You can’t even name a candidate. And somehow this is all my fault.
GOP also always picks a Republican head of the FBI when they’re in charge. So does the Democratic president. Why is that?
You may want to inform party leadership there’s a war on, they been out here trying to pull a muscle reaching across the aisle.
The GOP always votes Red, no matter who.
How’d that work out?
Seriously, if your plan is to follow the same path as Republicans, does that mean you think it’s worked out well for them the last 20 years?
Are republican voters being taken care of by their elected officials or did having no standards and excusing everything their party did just make it so the most corrupt candidate advances to the general?
What is different about Dems that would make the result be literally the opposite, and how much more time do you think we should waste seeing if it works?
Instead of running a charismatic candidate with a progressive which statistically results in the presidency, House, and Senate?
Why not take the easy path that gets us what we want instead of the hardest path where we get the least reward?
The GOP always votes Red, no matter who.
How’d that work out?
They won, and kicked 79 Million people out of health insured status.
Except the GOP doesn’t always vote red, not matter who. I am friends with several people who are still registered Republicans that did not vote for Trump either time.
Fucking echo chambers are dangerous man.
Trump had a difference of less than a million votes between this election and his first. You friends are anecdotes that don’t move the needle. They are the exception not the rule.
Herman Cain was Trump’s pal, I guess that means Trump’s not a racist, right?
That is not enough to entice voters on the fence.
It’s your hellscape, fence-sitters. Idiots. If only you could have done something, any one goddamn thing to have avoided this gutting of democracy, this looting of generations of social capital, demonizing of progressive causes and the establishment of a russian vassal state.
But I understand the candidate was not exciting enough to get off the fence.
You coulda been somebody, Charlie, you coulda been a contender.
Oh my God it’s like talking to a brick wall with you people.
The Democrats have been running on a platform of “we aren’t Trump” for 3 elections in a row. They lost two of them.
This loss falls on Democrat leadership far more than it falls on the people on the fence.
The fact is the Democrats failed to convince enough people they were the better option. Mostly because they tried the same strategy against the same opponent 3 fucking times.
It’s the type of mentality of the people who burned medicine women as witches because they got sicker after refusing treatment.
If you tell them a bad result will happen if they stay the course, they’ll be yelling at you when the bad result happens
Their brains just link the person who warned them with the bad result, and they can’t accept that they were wrong.
The good news is people like that no longer run the DNC.
This loss falls on Democrat leadership far more than it falls on the people on the fence.
Sounds like you like making excuses for shitstain losers who sit around waiting for a political party to court them instead of doing their fucking homework and making responsible decisions.
So, setting aside the validity of this perspective, you do run into one problem: You can’t import new voters. These are the hand you’re dealt and complaining about them accomplishes nothing.
Sounds like you making excuses for a shitstain party who sits around waiting for wins to come to them instead of learning from mistakes and fixing those mistakes next time.
And you’re still not getting it.
This is actually hilarious to watch. You’ve got multiple people in here explaining it multiple ways and y’all still can’t wrap your heads around it.
And you’re still not getting it.
Nah bud, you’re not getting it.
Politicians come and go. Political parties go through phases where they’re better and worse at advertising themselves. The American voters who failed to do their civic duty by responsibly informing themselves, choosing instead to sit around and wait for a party to court them until they felt appeased, will still be there next go around, waiting to not do their civic duty again, entirely dependent on whether they feel a party appeased them enough or not.
Because they’re too fucking lazy to do simple things like looking up the voting history of said party. I did. Now I don’t need Democrats to court me like I’m some dipshit prom queen because I KNOW they are the better option, whether they court me or not.
And you’re still digging. This is fucking comical.
Keeping calling those people who didn’t do exactly what you wanted a bunch of fucking idiots. I’m sure that will win them over for next time!
Democrats “Vote for us no matter what or you’re an uneducated fuckwit”
Also Democrats “I can’t believe acting like elitist snobs and calling people who might have voted our way idiots didn’t work!”
Just keeeeeep doubling down.
2028 is gonna be really rough for y’all if you keep this mentality the whole time.
This is a problem with decision hierarchies. Usual election - if both parties have policies I can’t support, then I vote for 3rd party knowing it’s a protest vote.
HOWEVER : if the consequences of the election mean that a dictator and malignantly evil person (and their cronies) may get into power then the FIRST consideration MUST be that he doesn’t get into power. So you vote for the most likely way that the calamity can be stopped.
It’s shit, believe me, I know, but them’s the breaks. The problem has been that people have treated this as ‘election as usual’. The fact that sane people are still arguing over this is concerning.
!!A malignantly evil dictator has overtaken your government and is overtaking your country. You need to work together with the other sane people in order to stop this calamity.!!
The biggest problem with the US is lack of proportional representation. Winner-takes-all elections have led to the inevitable outcome. It’s also why in Europe the propagandists are trying to push for the same system whenever they can.
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What done is done. Democratic voters PUT TRUMP BACK IN OFFICE to send a message. If the party leaders don’t get the message, then 4 years of Trump were all for not.
This dumbass argument again.
You need an opposition party then. If you keep blaming the voters you are going to keep digging your own grave. In America you have only two parties and legit no opposition party. In this way guess what, FASCISM always wins.
Also Please honestly explain to me, how in the fuck is fascism lite ever going to beat fascism?
Non-contributing rage bait. The Democrats were wrong. The Democrats still are wrong. And the Democratic presidential candidate was infinitely better than her opposition.
Nuance motherfucker do you speak it.
Nuance motherfucker do you speak it.
“If they dislike my party, they must support the other party, nothing else exists, right?”
In a two party system, especially when there’s no clear “I don’t like either” option then yes, nothing else exists. When you don’t vote you’re not saying “I don’t like either party” you’re saying “I don’t care which party wins”. If you don’t care which party wins then you’re in support of both parties.
Yes but in discussing politics we are not relegated to the same limitations we have in voting. Thus there is no contradiction between voting down-ballot Democrat, then going home and tweeting “I hate Dick Cheney and the Democrats.”
OP makes a clownish commentary on this. If someone did not vote blue who probably should have, shame on them, but the Democrats are still wrong.
Yes, political discussions are not as limited in options as voting and there absolutely should be a political discussion about the Democratic party. They suck, have sucked and will continue to suck, unless they change.
And I agree that there’s no contradiction. I’d even go as far as to say there was no contradiction in voting for Harris and then tweeting “the democratic candidate sucks”, because you have to vote for someone and Trump (clearly) was the worse option.
My point was rather that if you dislike a party and you don’t vote for them then you are in support of the other party, even if you don’t vote at all. The nuances get kicked out when it comes to voting.
ok fair but not relevant to my own point post it somewhere relevant next time if you want me to support lol
My point was rather that if you dislike a party and you don’t vote for them then you are in support of the other party, even if you don’t vote at all
And that is a dog shit point. An easy example: California. Nobody who didn’t vote in CA supported Trump by not voting, unless you don’t know how elections work
Stop trying to blame those not at fault you weird authoritarian
Just because the electoral college is a stupid thing doesn’t mean I’m not right. Had it been a popular vote those non-votes would’ve mattered.
Had it been a popular vote those non-votes would’ve mattered.
Why yes, if it was a completely different situation then it’d be a completely different situation
10/10 you dolt
And it’s telling that so many people didn’t care whether the dictator or Democrats won, isn’t it? If you’re making the case between yourself and a megalomaniac, and the majority of Americans shrug and go about their day, what the hell are you doing wrong?
Ever heard of third parties? I’ve voted Green Party since I could vote. There is the Libertarian, Reform, Constitutional, and several other parties.
Yeah, they’re the non-vote parties. FPTP voting always devolves down to 2 parties, see Duverger’s Law. Even if by some miracle a 3rd party wins (and continues winning) they will eventually kick one of the previous 2 parties out and take their place as the new party in the 2 party system. In practice if my memory doesn’t fail me voting 3rd party hasn’t mattered for over a century because the 2 main parties are so entrenched, so voting for 3rd party is more or less throwing away your vote.
Well I would rather throw my vote away then vote for murdering sociopaths
“If you dislike pancakes that must mean you LOOOOVE waffles right?”
No bitch thats a brand new sentence wtf is you talking about.
Nuance motherfucker do you speak it.
We now have definitive proof that most people do not.
Their job is literally to get elected…
Yes, stop thinking and just follow the herd! That’s surely the solution! \s
Thankfully I live in a state where my vote doesn’t matter at all. jfc.
How many years can the libs keep this up?
Yeah that is the level of self awareness that created this bullshit. Fuck the Democrats. To be clear I voted for Harris but t Still think the Democrats suck
You guys deserve trump.
Like “the democrats weren’t cool and sexy enough, and they didn’t serenade me long enough, they didn’t even have my favorite ice cream flavor”.
This thread is full of it.
There’s no campaign bad enough to justify electing the injecting bleach criminal.
They just should have needed to come out, point at trump and say “if you don’t vote for me you’ll get him”, turn 180 and go to sleep. And should have won like 80-20.
I did say I voted for them, still frustrated
Last night the Democrats official response the Donald Trump’s speech was to praise Ronald Reagan. It somehow here you stand today defending them. Unbelievable
They could have taken an accordion and played a polka while making donkey noises for all I care. When the alternative is a literal criminal that is so dumb he thought planes are invisible, it shouldn’t be about what democrats are doing.
- Cake or death?
- Well… what flavor is the cake? Vanilla? So boring!
You realize the Democrats I’m talking about were elected right? We voted for them. Now they can’t be bothered to do anything? We should just be happy they exist? They should just settle in as the loyal opposition? That’s all I can expect from my representative? What are they good for?
You fucking neoliberals love to pretend like y’all are so against what Donald Trump’s doing. Y’all love this. He’s doing all the things you wish you could do and y’all don’t have to get your hands dirty. Eroding of the middle class, enslaving of the workers, destruction of the regulatory state, and deregulation across the board. Neoliberal wet dream. This is what y’all have been gunning for for 40 years. Not even hiding it anymore. Going on national television as a group and lauding your hero Ronald Reagan.
I’m far, far left of anything the democrats stand for. Universal healthcare, free education, strong unions, respect of minorities, gay marriage, wealth tax, legalized recreational drugs, green energy, and a few others.
So spot on with your analysis, congratulations.
Sure you are.
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Imagine posting this meme when just today the DNC have announced their “new” leadership and it’s just the same as the old leadership, and they’ve done absolutely nothing to push back against Trump this whole time.
Just like they would have done nothing when Trumpists did a violent coup if the voting results were different.
Liberals only differ from fascists in degree, not the kind of ideology they follow.
Imagine posting this meme when just today the DNC have announced their “new” leadership and it’s just the same as the old leadership, and they’ve done absolutely nothing to push back against Trump this whole time.
“But maybe next DNC chair you’ll get a progressive! Vote for us and we’ll give you what you want next time.”
don’t vote and you never have to vote again.
Literally voted for Harris, ya goober.
Degree of minorities murdered matters.
they’ve done absolutely nothing to push back against Trump this whole time.
What do you mean? Didn’t you see their tiny signs last night? That’ll sure show him!
I think they were even instructed to be “quiet”. And they all just fucking fell in line.
Fascism cannot stand against the power of color coordination. (And friendship. Have we tried using the power of friendship?)
Finally a real solution
See you might have voted for Harris but people who go online and read comments like “Fuck the Democrats” and “Democrats are Centrists” didn’t. People didn’t vote for Harris because of shit like your comment.
People didn’t vote for Harris because her campaign sucked ass, it’s her and her staff who failed to convince people to vote for her, not people who voiced their dissatisfaction with her proposed policy. They need to do better, and if they do, then people excercising their freedom of speech on the internet won’t sway votes away from the party. Idea that people shouldn’t be allowed to complain about the genocide because it voices loudly the dissatisfaction over the party actions and that may lead to lower voter turnout is flawed to it’s core. Those comments are the symptom of the problem, the sign that there is something wrong with the way they directed the campaign, not the source of it. You will get nowhere by silencing the dissidents, you need to take away their reasons to complain, not their means. Until Dems learn this lesson, they won’t win elections again, not with the antiestabilishment vibes and lack of trust towards the government that are prevailent im USA. Not only this messaging of censure won’t work, it will only piss off the electorate and alienate them further. Before the elections I have assumed that this campaign to shame people into voting was a psy op, but it seems like it’s actually their position on the matter, which definitely makes me think they’re controlled opposition at this point. They can’t actually think this kind of messaging helps them in any way, right? This arrogant approach is specifically why Republican electorate hates them. If they want to win, like, ever, they need to work on that.
I’m sorry their message didn’t vibe with you but the Harris policy stances were all on point, minus that shit Walz had to say about Israeli borders. But the vast majority of Americans seemed unaware of the policy stances being on point because of the constant whinging of people online about how they don’t trust her.
Here is an idea, buy Twitter, Meta, Google, WaPo, and TikTok and start propagandizing like the GOP had on their side. She’d probably win by 20 Mil minimum. That’s how fucking easy it is to trick the USA, not even any politics involved, just fuck with the kid’s vibe feeds and watch them destroy themselves. Even talking with you lowers my faith in humanity.
Here is an idea, buy Twitter, Meta, Google, WaPo, and TikTok and start propagandizing like the GOP had on their side.
I’ve recently come around to this idea and I can’t believe we haven’t seen it more often. Facts don’t matter. We need the media, in the unlikely event our democracy limps past this administration. We MUST control the media. That is LITERALLY all that matters.
They weren’t unaware of the policy because of “whining”, but because Dems failed to effectively communicate their proposals. They also failed to combat misinformation from the right, but this I’ll forgive them for this one because at the very least they had opponent in that field that pushed back. That’s not the case for their atrocious campaign that bled voters left and right.
If Americans are unaware or not happy with the candidate stances on various policies, that’s entirely the candidate fault. And when the stances they’re aware of are “I wouldn’t do anything differently than Joe Biden” when JB had to be switched out from the race due to his unpopularity, then the candidate just digs their electoral grave.
You’re entirely missing the point of my previous comment. Dems lost, because they couldn’t make their voters feel like they were the right choice. You’re sarcastic about “vibing” but it’s exactly what required for politician to win an elections. People aren’t wise and don’t delve in deep in policy, as it is excellently shown by morons playing catch up with economic difficulties Trump’s rule already brought. It’s politician job to make their electorate trust them. It is their failure if they can’t (or don’t want to, if they are bought as controlled opposition) make that happen. You really can’t say that “Dems had great campaign but people didn’t like it” because it’s precisely the popularity that makes the campaign great. And no, Harris and her team had terrible campaign, and lost to the opponent that was very easy to trip up and expose. You trying to blame people for not vibing with genocide doesn’t help either. And if me telling you that Dems had bad campaign “lowers your faith in humanity”, then it seems you might be in a cult and not be ready for a mature discussion about the direction that Dems politics will take them. You might want to have that checked out.
I think I’m justified in saying the politicians weren’t the problem. We are. Demonstrably things would be much much much much better if we gave them the power to do something about it.
I’m all for building class consciousness and having people be involved deeply and personally in politics, but USA absolutely isn’t there yet. You need populist messaging and need to make sure people see you in good light if you want to win elections. People didn’t believe Harris nor Biden what they were saying about Trump, even though those things were true. People had few bad years economically, and while they knew it was due to covid, they blamed Dems. It was irrational, just as Trump’s image as a working men ally, but the electorate isn’t moved by rationality, but rather - you got it - vibes. Entire charade about inflation was a lie, but they failed to communicate that. They added fuel to the fire by even acknowledging the illegal immigrants narrative, despite everything showing that both legal and illegal immigrants commited far less crimes on average than USA born citizens. They cracked down on pro-palestinian protests and fed the antisemitic conspiracy theories. It goes on, and on, and on. And I get that you might disagree with me on whenever those things were good or not, but it doesn’t matter, if they can’t make more people think Dems have their best interests in mind. It’s literally the single job they have during the campaign, and if they can’t instill the feeling that people must vote for them or else fascists will win, then it’s on them. They did it wrong. You can’t expect people that doesn’t care about politics to rally up behind them spontaneously, they need to be rallied. You can’t expect people passionate about human lives not to protest a genocide, you need not to support it and not give them a reason to protest. And no, I’m not talking about protesting as in not voting - we already had several rounds of surveys that showed beyond any doubt, that those people in swing states voted almost exclusively for Harris, despite their grievances. It was mostly people who felt neither side had anything good to offer that failed to show up. And it’s those people, who aren’t interested in politics, who just want to do their thing, that Harris and her staff was supposed to convince, but the vibes were off, children died, protestors got maced and locked up, and lies about immigration and inflation were left not debunked. They came out strong after announcement of the ticket and got a record high funds from small value donations, but quickly changed their tune to pro-corporate businesses as usual, and the median voter visibly wasn’t convinced by that. The surveys showed that people felt the economy was bad, so how could the messaging of “we won’t change shit” convince them? Price gouging bit was good, too bad it was dropped stright away within a week. Tim Walz calling the fascist out was very good, but he got muzzled almost immediately. And then what, Liz Cheney? Bill Clinton telling Arabs in Michigan that “Jews were there first”? I mean, come on, you can’t say you believe they did great and that their messaging was impeccable. And even if you somehow do, voters didn’t, and you need at the very least to acknowledge that fact. The messaging was ineffectual, and that’s on Dems. They also cultivated the image of government that is immune to change and stagnant, although that’s not the issue with campaign but with their politics in general, and that made their electorate less interested when very radical change threatened them. Some people were radicalized specifically by this percieved stagnation and voted Trump just for something to change. Harris and her team had a lot of material to work with, but decided to keep to the old and tested playbook instead, which, judging by the elections results, was a mistake. People that were somewhat interested in politics and believed that Trump was bad, voted overwhelmingly for Harris, even if they disliked her or her campaign, but that’s a drop im a bucket. Most people don’t care, and you need politicians to reach them to make them care - or else they might blame them for something bad in their lives, maybe completely unrelated, maybe not, and just vote out of spite for the opposition, or maybe just wallow in apathy and not vote at all. I hope I made my point clearer, if it wasn’t transparent previously.
If a Democrat’s billion dollar war chest can’t stand against an anonymous online person saying “Democrats are centrists” maybe they shouldn’t be centrists.
What about a hundred million anonymous online persons?
If a hundred million of your constituents are asking you to do something, fucking do it. A candidate can tell their base to shut up, but expecting them to still turn out, as we just saw, is a fantasy.
The majority of people shitting on dems were not dem constituents. They were Republicans. An unfortunate number were dems but far from a majority, going by primary results for the last two decades.
There’s a lot of cocky talk from you about majorities from someone bemoaning an electoral defeat across the board.
Look at this dude, proudly declaring the left’s defeat to Republicans. You some kind of conservative?
Oh yeah, I’m sure it had nothing to do with people like you yelling at people that they’re monsters for even slightly criticizing the DNC and Harris campaign.
It gave us Trump, twice, consequentially there is very real death and suffering on their hands.
The idea someone would not vote because they read “Democrats are Centrists” online is funny to me.
Millions of people who voted for Biden in 2020 did not show up to vote for Harris in 2024. Trumps numbers hardly changed at all.
It really is that simple, no enthusiasm among the left due to infighting and degrading our candidate.
no enthusiasm among the left due to infighting and degrading our candidate.
First, the democrats are not “the left”. Don’t even pretend. Dick Cheney is on their side and they lauded that, ffs.
Second, we all did our damnedest to bite our tongues over your pro-cop, pro-israel bae, but everyone is well aware she was a piece of shit candidate. “Infighting” isn’t what cost the democrats the vote. “Pushing forward another intensely bad choice and then running a bad campaign that failed to win anyone over” did. You left people stuck between an insane choice and a miserable one. Should they have chosen misery? Sure, but don’t parade around acting like everyone should have proudly accepted the miserable one. That’s the attitude that has cost your country everything. The democrats are continuing to prove they just have no idea how to lead themselves or act in any meaningful way in the face of fascism.
If you’re fighting against the Democrats then you’re promoting fascism. We live in a first past the post 2 party system.
You can have progressive reform or fascism, stop choosing fascism.
Call me when the democrats actually do something to fight fascism then. I predict you’ll continue to side with them as they continue to sit on their asses whining “it’s not allowed!” while your country invades mine. Cut a liberal and a fascist bleeds.
Liberals have any respect for people’s intelligence challenge: impossible
When I see any intelligence from you fuckers, I’ll respect it
Did the DNC’s strategy work? No? Then the Democrats were wrong.
It’s their job to convince voters to vote for them. And if they won’t take responsibility for failing at their job, then they’re on course to do the exact same thing in 2028 and get the exact same results.
Exactly. You know what I would like to see? I would like to see the Democratic Party act like parties due in many countries. The norm internationally is that if you are running a party, and that party loses catastrophically, that it is your moral responsibility to give up the reigns of that party. You had your chance. It didn’t work. There are plenty of people out there with good ideas. Your opinions will still be welcome. Or, for a corporate example, if you’re a CEO, and you crash the company’s stock, you’re usually going to lose your job.
Anyone in a top-20 leadership position of Democrats in 2024 should simply be done with running things. They can’t run as candidates. They can’t serve party leadership roles. They can’t serve on party committees. They can only participate as a regular party member.
That’s how the party should be run. One strike and you’re out. Let the strong survive. We want the party to be a god-damned thunderdome.
It’s their job to convince voters to vote for them
Everytime this topic comes up it reminds me of incels whining no women wants them…
They don’t want to change anything, they don’t want to compromise, they want a participation trophy for just existing. What’s insane is that’s been the strategy for the last three presidential elections.
And if they won’t take responsibility for failing at their job, then they’re on course to do the exact same thing in 2028 and get the exact same results.
The new DNC chair has been very vocal about what the problem is, how to fix, and is already running the same playbook that solidified his home state blue.
The DNC is basically the chair, and we just got a much better chair than we’ve had in decades.
That’s encouraging to hear.
Can you share any links about the strategy changes you think will help?
“We’re calling it the ‘Organize Everywhere’ tour,” Martin told ABC13. “It’s a simple premise that if we’re going to win throughout this country and get back into power, we have to organize everywhere. We’re visiting red states, purple states, and blue states on this tour. And Texas really is the future of the Democratic Party. This is such a critical battleground state as we move forward in the 2026 elections – of course, the 28 election cycle and beyond.”
But you don’t have to go on hypotheticals, he has a long history in Minnesota, and supporting candidates voters want translated to wins.
It’s not even that overtly progressive, he just knows it’s easiest to win if voters already like the candidate and policy. And voters like charismatic candidates with progressive policy stances.
And Texas really is the future of the Democratic Party.
This boondoggle again. They need to stop calling Texas a battleground state. It is too gerrymandered to be considered a proper battleground.
Texas only could become one after the GOP decides to abandon oil and gas. They’re not about to.
The only other feasible way to break the gerrymandered districts and get Texas blue would be by sweeping New Deal Coalition type social democracy policies specifically improving working class conditions at the expense of billionaires and corporate boards. And this is about as unlikely as the GOP ditching oil and gas.
It’s their job to convince voters to vote for them.
And it’s the voters DUTY to inform themselves responsibly and make the best choice for the welfare of their nation. American voters failed to do so.
In other words, it’s the voter’s duty to perform a communist revolution. How well are you personally performing your duty, comrade?
We can’t do anything about that, wagging your finger at voters will not accomplish anything. But we CAN do something about the party itself, the candidate, and the campaign strategy.
Fixating on things we can’t change is a way to deflect from having actual productive conversations about things that we can change. It’s a way for the DNC to avoid taking responsibility.
We can’t do anything about that, wagging your finger at voters will not accomplish anything.
If we can’t do anything about American voters being complacent and lazy and not doing their civic duty responsibly, then we have, and will continue to have, way bigger problems than a party not being good at promoting themselves. And, oh look, we are.
We can’t just keep ignoring the source of our problem. People HAVE to get responsibly engaged in politics if we want out of this situation. Otherwise, even if Dems get better at messaging, we’ll just slingshot back to where we are now if they stop being good at it again.
Apparently it’s going to take a lot of pain and suffering for Americans to become more responsible voters. If it’s even possible at this point.
It is a candidate’s job to convince voters to vote for them. That is what campaigning is. Sitting here and wagging your finger, on the other hand, is not campaigning.
We cannot tie the entire US electorate down and force them to “be more responsible”. That is not a useful or productive way to look at the problem. If that is all you fixate on, you have no actionable solution out of it.
But what we can do is run better candidates with a better campaign, that will inspire voters to want to vote for them. That is how it works, that has always been how it works, and if we ignore that, we will lose in 2028.
The point I am making here is that we need to talk about things we can actually do something about, instead of shutting down the conversation by deflecting to things we cannot do anything about.
Your “we” here is weird to me.
Most of us aren’t party executives but most of us are voters, with friends and family who are voters.
What I say on lemmy is never read by the DNC, but is read by voters.
Claiming that I can’t do anything about what voters do whilst I can do something about the Democratic leadership is so very very inaccurate.
the way to compell voters is through education, livable wages, and a prosperous life. it is an inherent catch 22.
you cannot blame a victim of propaganda that they were propagandised. especially if they are a dumb fuck
The Democrats are made of people. If you believe people can’t change, we’re fucked anyway. Thankfully, I believe you’re wrong.
the DNC is made of lobby money full stop.
Did the DNC’s strategy work? No? Then the Democrats were wrong.
The biggest flaw in the DNC strategy, it appears, is not appearing as a ‘maybe rich’ felony rapist traitor facing multiple election tampering and secrets cases, telling some bullshit story about magical prosperity for all.
That’s their flaw.
The biggest flaw is not being inspiring. Like yes, Trump told a bullshit story, but at least he told a story, and that’s what the DNC didn’t do.
Look at Obama in 2008 and 2012. He had an uplifting slogan of hope and change, and he focused his platform around a popular and easily-understood issue, healthcare reform. That’s how to run a good campaign, we’ve done it before, we can do it again. We don’t have to be blue fascists, we just need to be appealing.
Did the DNC’s strategy work? No? Then the Democrats were wrong.
So you’re saying that no matter what happens, it’s never my fault. Yay!
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The voters faced a trolly problem. While Trump was busy tying more and more people to the track, the Democrats left a few on the track, and the voters decided that they couldn’t stomach the choice, so they sat it out. And now we get this.
The Democrats have blood on their hands, sure, but so does every person who didn’t vote yet bemoans the Trump presidency.
If you think the trolley problem has an obvious solution, you do not understand the trolley problem.
