Ok so
As a single WASP (ok well, I grew up protestant) male in my 30s, who has the confidence of an abandoned kitten, how exactly does this benefit me?
Like I feel like this is supposed to be about men like me getting more power over women. But I fail to see how that helps me at all.
All I can see is that they start here, remove voting rights next, then they remove the ability for women to be licensed to be doctors, or lawyers, dentists, etc. That’s gonna fuck my life up immensely.
Just so women can’t have a say? Why?
Conservative views on women are absolutely confusing. I know we have to abandon logic with them, but maybe that’s the part I don’t understand: how the fuck do I think without logic?
That’s the thing: it isn’t. The patriarchy is bad for 95% of men, as well, but a huge chunk of those believe it’s good for them because at least they’re not a woman.
Conservatives believe hierarchies are natural and unavoidable. If you can push someone else down on the hierarchy then that will put you higher up on the hierarchy then you were before. Shrinking someone else’s piece of the pie leaves more pie available for you.
Leftists believe in making a bigger pie.
Also sharing the pie equitably
It’s not about what’s good for you, it’s about what’s good for the people in power. And as women increasingly turn away from the Republican party, they’re going to want to disenfranchise them.
It benefits you, because with almost half the population removed from the paid labor pool, you are more likely to earn more, and get jobs you likely would not have gotten before.
Do remember that it’s only some men that will get that power, not all men. WASP is just the start of the verification process for you. The lie that men like you will get this power is what gets regular joes to buy in without realizing they’ll never see those promises materialize.
I’ve worked enough retail to know that there are plenty of people out there who will gladly jump at the opportunity to be a petty tyrant themselves.
They are fine with women being doctors and dentists. They won’t have any respect for those professions if they are female dominated, but they are caring roles so they fit into the fundie worldview. Lawyers might make them uncomfortable. They would be fine with women as paralegals, but they would want a man in the courtroom and the boardroom.
None of them should be paid well enough to live truly independently. Can’t have women building wealth outside of marriage. It’s a process really. Give them a couple generations in power and they might clamp down on employment outside the kitchen or the nursery.
I actually think it’s more targeted toward the Andrew Tate and Fresh and Fit follower types, and the propaganda does appear to be working on younger men, who are rapidly becoming more “conservative.” They’re extremely insecure in their masculinity, and think the subservience of women would be affirming.
Of course, it actually just hurts everyone, barring the people that benefit from keeping the working class divided.
So surprising, things have really changed since the “grab her by the pussy” days
Can’t wait to see all the videos of right-wing women surprised: “What?!! No one told us he was going to do this! We thought when he said he hated women he was only trolling/owning the libs/joking around!”
The Anti-DEI people hate women? Whodathunk
Scanning the article, the practical threat (besides crazy ideological stunts) seems to be stealth disenfranchisement of this type:
House Republicans passed a bill (which stalled in the Senate) this session to require citizens to have a passport or birth certificate matching their name to vote. This would be a back-door ban on voting for any woman who took her husband’s last name and doesn’t have a passport, an estimated 69 million women. It would also disproportionately affect Republican women, who are more likely to be married, more likely to have changed their name and less likely to have a passport.
A passport always contains the current last name. If you took on a new one you have to get a new one issued. That’s standard pretty much all over the world.
Edit: Ok, a lot of users wrote that there’s no ID card/paper that’s common in other parts of the world. In my country a driver license is not enough to prove my identity because it’s not an ID card.
Guess you are fucked then.
Americans are pretty weird about their ID things.
Other than a driver’s license, most of them don’t have any ID.
They don’t have any sort of unique ID number either. They have a social security number, which is not guaranteed to be unique. Two people can have the same SSN. One person can have two SSNs. You’re apparently supposed to keep your SSN secret, but they’re assigned somewhat sequentially and they get leaked a lot. It’s a clusterfuck.
SSN is about the worst identifier, but they have revamped the process to remove some of those issues. It should no longer be possible for people to be issued the same number, and they’re no longer sequential or assigned in geographic blocks.
Doesn’t change the existing ones, but going forward.
SSNs are guaranteed to be unique upon assignment. The problem is that so many leaks have happened that nearly everyone’s has been stolen and is being used in some type of financial identity theft. The thieves are the people with two (or more) SSNs.
The sad thing is this is kinda solved in the advertising space. Like, they know who I am, uniquely, including emails, phone numbers, and drivers license. The data is available, but banks (the primary users of the SSN) are perpetually stuck with 30yo tech.
It is supposed to to keep your SSN secret and not carry the card with you everywhere but you have to memorize it and everyone and their dog is gonna ask for it. It is kinda scary how many times you have to give it out to random people over the phone or email.
Most citizens in the divided states of southern north america do not have a passport though. And a birth certificate doesn’t have your current last name on it if you took someone else’s in marriage. That’s the point.
No one in my family has a passport. So with this law only the men could vote, unless they spend the money to get a passport despite not aiming to travel.
Birth certificates can’t be changed and need to match, and that’s one of the forms of ID listed.
Passports aren’t free, and not everyone has one to begin with. This blatantly stonewalls women, especially underprivileged women.
Some states allow you to update your birth certificate after a legal name change. It’s definitely not universal, and much less likely in red states.
Some states allow you to update your birth certificate after a legal name change.
This also has a fee attached.
It’s definitely not universal, and much less likely in red states.
Yeah, even just checking, and it looks like Massachusetts doesn’t allow name changes for this purpose, and really only does it to correct mistakes at the time a record was made: "For example, you cannot change your birth record solely for a legal change of name. "
Did they even think any of this through? LOL
you have to get a new one issued
This is the part that’s mistaken: you don’t need a passport if you don’t travel to foreign lands. As far as I know, Americans usually prove their identity using a driver’s license, rarely using a passport.
Dam I never thought about it
It won’t affect republican women because the people running those voting stations won’t enforce the rule for “their own”.
Remember the MAGA women wearing the “You Can Grab My Pussy” shirts? Not all Republican women are going to be upset by this.
Wait, where was this? For research purposes for a friend.
You have to be very careful searching for this.
It’s impossible for idiots like this to ever admit they’re wrong.
Pride parades are morally disturbing to the fascists, but it’s fine when they parade their own authoritarian fetishes.
Rise of the Cult of Stupid, again.
cf. Salo by Pasolini
I had to look that up to see if it was real, and sure enough—but I honestly shouldn’t be surprised. Utterly fucking revolting. On the other hand, the tee website display of a black man wearing it while saluting is pretty hilarious
As a fairly jacked middle aged bald man, I want to get one for the funny, but I won’t give them money.
No, but a lot are.
Look at how Teheran women were dressed in the 70s, and contrast that to how they’re dressed now. The same future awaits American women.
Yeah, no. US society is nothing like islamic societies. A faction if the rabid right thinks like this, and the rest of the right may agree to an extent, but they are aware that they can’t sell that to the majority. Plus, too many women jusdges.
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Oh please. What part of what’s happening now makes you think they give a damn what the rest of us think?
All it takes is heavy propaganda that exaggerates the upsides and downplays the downsides, while shutting down dissidence.
And they will still hate Muslims (and label all of them insane radicals) for Islam’s views on women. Even though Islamic views on women are actually better than what Christian nationalists believe.
oh to be so naive again…
You being pessimistic does not make you wise.
It does, apparently, make you condescending. But not wise.
whatever you need to tell yourself to sleep at night.
I do not get any better or worse sleep by telling you you’re rude. You may be under the delusion you are responding to someone else.
And you saying “yeah, no” doesn’t constitute a rebuttal. There’s nothing in the Qur’an that isn’t in the Bible vis-à-vis the treatment of women. The only difference between Islamic societies is that they’ve convinced more people to take it literally, and it absolutely can happen in the US.
I didn’t say yeah no
I said the person I responded to was being rude to the person they responded to
It’s possible to disagree on a subject without implying the person you disagree with is a dumb child.
But what if they are a woman…?
:(
I apologise. It was elucubra who said “yeah no” and not you.
‘‘Everyone is too reasonable for this to happen, despite the fact that the people in charge of every branch of government have repeatedly made it clear this is what they want to do’’
Yes, most people are against this. Also most people are pro choice, or at the very least pro choice in cases of medical necessity, rape or incest, and most people are against laws specifically designed to ethnically clense the US of Hispanic people entirely, or laws that prevent children from accessing modem healthcare, or an unelected billionaire acting as though he’s the president.
Most people being against something doesn’t mean they won’t do everything to make it happen. This has been in the works for the federalist society and so called family values groups and fundamentalist Christian nationalists for my entire life, this isn’t an accident that is happening now.
Handmaids Tale, anyone?
Margaret Atwood is rolling in her… checks google… Well-appointed Canadian home.
I’m sure she’s just going “I literally warned all of you, and the government is using it as an instruction book.”
This never gets old.
Unfortunately this never gets old.
“When they came for me, there was nobody left to help.”
Face eating leopards are going to be morbidly obese by the end of this administration.
They’re already in peril from cholesterol poisoning. Humans are HORRIBLE for a food source
For the believers, I think that tmany would be fine with this. It reinforces their preferred structure of a patriarchy in which they have a well-defined place and role (head of the domestic household, subservient to the man). No worries about having to deal with a fickle job market or figuring out what you want to do with your life. Your life path is set (get married, raise kids, take care of family), and, for some, that well-defined role the status that it conveys is really comforting. It provides a sense of security.
It’s why, I expect, while there are many who fight it, there are plenty of women in Muslim societies who are fine with things as they are. We emphasize with those women who chafe at that and fight it since we’ve history valued the individual rights of self-determination and freedom, of course.
Thats a big allure of the American taliban to some folks. It provides structure and defined roles in a chaotic world.
Of course, republican men like it for the power, but more importantly, that women voters mostly vote against them. Stopping women from voting would cement them in power.
If you gloss over the fact that it could be FUCKING VOLUNTARY instead of hate crime. your point is valid for anyone that loves to be forced to do things they don’t believe in
I’m not arguing for it, I agree that it’s fine if it’s a free choice. I don’t think personally that it’s a good one, though.
My point is that many of the women pushing this on the republican side view all of this, including their own loss of rights, as a positive likely. It’s not like a “leopards eating faces” or “voting against their interests” situation where they might be reachable.
But they are. As soon as they don’t want what they vote to force. It doesn’t matter what specific type of faschism or what rights they are removing, if they are removing rights they don’t need they are still being eaten by leopards once they fall down the other side, accidental or not
When are they going to start coming for the black folks so we can watch Clarence Thomas squirm?
Maybe he’ll get fired for being a DEI justice. I honestly don’t want whatever would replace him tho.
Once they run out of other others.
You mean so we can watch him vote yes on it?
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Well that’s the most delusional thing I’ve heard in a while.
Did you know that women’s brains develop faster? Different sources say different years, but it seems to lie between 1 to 5 years on average depending on what age you look at.
Estrogens stimulate development of the frontal lobe. Executive functions, risk-assesment and empathy to name a few tasks it does. Which plays a role in why girls with a developmental disorder, are often able to compensate enough (masking) to keep up with their peers, or even be in the top of the class. Boys on the other hand are less lucky, and their grades are affected more clearly by the same disorders. ASD, AD(H)D, dyslexia/dyscalculi to name a few. Interestingly, hyperlexia is almost only seen in girls. While it is a developmental disorder, it often works in their favor in school settings. Estrogens appear to play a role in language development.
Estrogens also improve memory and learning. It’s why women have a better memory than men on average, and why they are outperforming men academically on average. Yes, women will remember everything you said to them. For good and bad purposes.
Estrogens also play a role in social development. Which is why girls often prefer playing with toys that have a face on it, and integrate social feedback more often. Part of the reason girls are held to higher standards, which results in girls working harder in school, and suffering more often from performance/achievement related stress.
If anyone has a child’s brain at 30, it’s you mate.
Sure bud.
I never commented on their actual brain development, only how society treats them which is objectively true and has a real impact.
It’s sad watching how desperate you are to avoid reality when you don’t like it, but I don’t expect more from you people at this point.
You didn’t read my comment, did you? I mentioned in my comment, that society holds girls and women to higher standards, and it’s effects on performance. Which is the opposite of pandering.
that society holds girls and women to higher standards
Uhh…
Yeah, this is what I mean by bending over backwards to enable their delusions. The problem has gotten so bad we don’t even realize it’s there.
What are you talking about?
If you don’t want to believe something, you’ll find ways to never believe it.
I’m not answering your question. I’m talking about you, specifically.
Except there is scientific evidence that women are held to higher standards. You’re the delusional one here.
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“They” is the same thing as “us” on Lemmy. Where do you think you are? If you don’t like the rules of a community or instance you can literally just make a new one.
No rules were being broken.
I said uncomfortable truths you don’t like and you abused your power to censor them.
You’re literally obscuring reality from the community, which is why most of them are living in lala-land.
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It’s not being misogynist or sexist. I mentioned how other people treat women, which invariably has an effect.
If you want it to stop being true, the answer isn’t to censor it. It’s to acknowledge it as a problem and then we can do something about it.
You could’ve said you wanted to get blocked directly instead of being a giant cunt.
Calm down.
Fucking hilarious. Serves them right.
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