Is no one gonna talk about neovim or are we all just like set the alias and forgot that we are inside neovim and not vim or vi
Coding in Ansible?
You write Ansible playbooks to automate infrastructure management. But calling it a coding language might be a stretch it is just yaml
Editing excel spreadsheet? VI
Excel files (.xlsx) is just an archive of some XML files and whatnot, so sure you could edit them in vim.
Though I’d rather edit them in CSV format
The comments on this post went exactly like they have over the past 20 years, with one exception.
Emacs is all but forgoten.
Vim wins.
Be real fukin careful now. You’ll tear my enacs from my cold dead hands
(But yeah, I use evil-mode. Also I edit files on remote servers with vim. I’m a traitor…)
you have offended all 6 of us, prepare for retribution
Recently, I recommended to a friend that basic vim/vi is worth learning because it’s a baseline that you can always trust will be there across different Linux systems.
They asked me what I used most on my home system, and the answer was emacs, but I was very clear that I was not recommending it. It’s a particular kind of person who finds themselves at home in emacs, and for everyone besides those people, selling them on emacs would feel like persuading them to do hard drugs.
Didn’t even macs have vi?
Basically every Unix-derived OS comes with vi. Emacs came out in 1976, macs didn’t exist until 1984.
Yes and it’s better than TextEdit that is bundled with MacOs
When people are free to choose the best editor for them, we ALL win.
I think there’s a good reason for that. If you’re not as concerned about resource consumption (Emacs used to be called “Eight Megabytes and Constantly Swapping”, back when 8MB was a lot), then there’s no reason to avoid even more complex and resource intensive IDEs. People who wanted a complex editor, but in a relatively small footprint, stuck with some variant of vi.
Thus, vi found a stable evolutionary niche. It’s a tardigrade.
in highschool my physics teacher used vim to write stuff, like most times when checking if everyone was in class he’d just open vim and type people’s name in there
We don’t want a viditor, we want an editor. Why? Because ed is the standard!
On the system I administrate,
viis symlinked toedadministrate
Mike Tyson?
Bro you forgot the ‘m’ at the end of vi
And the i, c, r, and o. In fact keep the vi.
What makes 6 so popular?
Because vii viii ix
LXIX my balls! Haha got’em.
Believe it or not, this is the second time I got to make that joke within an hour.
* laughs in Latin *
I like micro
Ah, nice one! Didn’t realize it could even be done.
It isn’t as dumb as it sounds, honestly! I used to use DBeaver and it is a fantastic project, but I really wanted Vim keybinds to construct my queries as they can sometimes be quite large. There used to be a plugin that added the functionality but it stopped working on my machine. This Vim plugin is essentially a wrapper for the CLI SQL client (psql in my case), so using it actually kind of makes sense, I think.
The biggest issue I faced was exporting the results, but I just created a function in my ~/.vimrc that copies all the text of the results to a new tab and formats it however I want. CSV, HTML, JSON, XML, Markdown, whatever I need is all there and predefined. All I have to do is call
:ExportToMarkdownand off I go.
Op, what do you find more offputting: emacs or neovim?
Everyone at work is using Cursor these days, except for me using neovim and my emacs loving coworker. When we present during pair programming our coworkers go nuts over watching our workflows and trying to figure out if they can do similar things in Cursor lol.
What is Cursor, another AI-infested slop?
It’s a version of VSCode with deep AI integration. I’ll say, it’s pretty good from a workflow perspective. But I just use Avante to similar effect.
Neovim and emacs are both incredibly heavy. I would rather just use something like VScodium.
Nano and Vim are small and quick.
I would like you to open the same file in neovim, Emacs, and vscodium and see the ram usage.
Matter of fact I’ve done this for you (230 line json):
heavily customised emacs: 34 MB
heavily customised neovim: 32 MB
Newly installed vscodium: 300 MB+both emacs and neovim have syntax highlighting, completion, mouse support, terminal support, window management, and so on
Debugger?
Yea they can attach to debuggers via dap
great
tbh they probably can, it’s just more
ctrlinvolvedProbably!
Vi hasn’t been updated since 2005. Aren’t everyone just using vim or neovim?
Not to imply that Vi is perfect, but Vi is perfect. What do you need an update for? /s
I use whatever the machine gives me when I type
vi, I assume it’s usually vimHuh,
vifor me has always been actual vi, not vim. Didn’t know some systems symlink vi to vim.Vim is the preferred experience, so it’s for end users. Unless you have a system with no real addons and classic *nix environment, you’re almost always going to be using Vim. Alpine linux is a good example of a stripped down environment that still uses Vi.
A long time ago, someone posted advocating symlinking
vitoemacs. Evil, but entertaining.vim has a limited “vi-mode” that it uses if you call it as vi. so it could still be vim.
Ohh that makes more sense. Yeah perhaps, although come to think of it I still need to install vim from the package manager even if vi works fresh out of the box so maybe not?
i think there’s also a
vim-minithat gets installed by default in some debian-based distros.
VI is life
If you don’t have one to begin with, sure, I guess. For everyone else, there’s Nano.
Skill issue
Vi has a shit design issue
Java? vi!
COBOL? vi!
SVG? Believe it or not, vi!/s
BMP? vi and control-v!
WAV? There’s probably a plugin for that!SVG, unironically yes. There’s a few times where I found a library or WYSIWYG editor making some strange choices for its SVG output, and I had to fix it manually.
