Summary
Trump and Zelenskyy’s confrontational Oval Office meeting advanced “mob boss foreign policy” serving Russian interests.
Trump and Vance bullied Zelenskyy when he refused their “extortionate” minerals deal or to thank them despite Trump’s stated intent to reduce support for Ukraine.
Zelenskyy effectively countered their claims by noting Russia’s 2014 invasion and correcting historical inaccuracies, which angered the Americans.
This represents the first openly “anti-US, anti-Western, anti-democracy foreign policy in American history.” Russians embraced it, and Putin ally and former Russian president Dmitry Medvedev celebrated the exchange.
At the time Trump built Trump Tower, Jackie Kennedy was the most famous and beloved person in New York City. Undisputed Queen of high society. Her pet project was preservation of great New York architecture. Everyone knew about her efforts to save Grand Central Station.
The building Trump razed to put up the Tower was considered one of the most beautiful on 5th Avenue. Everyone told Trump that he could preserve the façade of the building and still have a massive skyscraper on top.
So, Trump ignored everyone and demolished the building after promising to preserve parts of it.
That’s the kind of idiot he has always been.
Now I want to learn about that building.
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There’s actually a picture of Jackie O and John Jr. shopping in the store.
Wow, they replaced boring with tacky. Yea it was a downgrade but c’mon, that thing’s a plain block of concrete with a couple of carvings so high up that no one can even really see them. I was expecting it too at least look like the Flat Iron building or something(which isn’t wild, but at least it has texture).
Yeah where are the neon golden arches and it doesn’t even have any gas pumps or self checkout lanes…🙄
I even gave you an example of where my preference was leaning and sure as shit wasn’t that. You’re either too stupid to communicate properly or one of those broken people who think trolling is fun and frankly I don’t have time for either.
Shiiiiiittt I missed that you was from the South. I thought you were ordering from the cookout getting that two entree meal with that cheerwine.
That was the most beautiful building? I hate Trump but it’s so plain. I was expecting something actually cool looking.
Ah yes so much better.
No one said Trump Tower is better, only that the original building should, by basically any metric, be considered “among the most beautiful in New York”.
✨ Reading comprehension ✨
Did you look through the second link? Or just open one grainy b&w photo and make a snap judgement?
✨ Don’t give me your soupy sass✨
Yea dude, it’s got a fancy entryway visible even in the first photo that I suppose I should have mentioned, and a lot of interior stuff that is specifically not part of the façade, which is what people had asked him to keep on the lower floors.
I’d say try harder but you might hurt yourself.
Go on bro which building do you think has amazing architecture and historical significance? Or in your words is cool looking for all the hater’s below.
Real “Oh you like buildings? Name all of them.” energy
Not really. It has more of a “show us what you consider good so we can tell whether your taste is actually decent and your opinion is worth considering, or your taste is kinda whack in the first place” energy.
U.S.S.A.
We should honestly update maps to show America as a Russian state. It’s still crazy that America won the cold war, but managed to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory.
It’s been obvious since at latest 2014 that the cold war never ended, merely paused.
Who cares what others think of the US, it’s all a facade. Regardless who’s in office the world sees us as a joke. Homelessness, incarceration rates, low education, poverty, no healthcare, stagnant wages, there’s a thousand things to look down on about the US other than a fanatical asshole.
Ah, the duality of the United States. An greedy evil imperialistic Nation that undermines everyone else, but also USAID is going away and people are wondering wtf they are going to do to get by.
USAID has never been anything but a tool of US imperialism and regime change masquerading as charity
Yea but freedumb! Ma guns!
Sure but we’re all used to that. But we’ve never seen a President deliberately sabotage US interests in this way.
TIL allowing homelessness, high incarceration rates, low education, poverty, lack of health care, and stagnant wages isn’t sabotaging US interests
The problem with the US is that American exceptionalism has made Americans unable to distinguish between global politics and domestic politics.
In short, other countries generally don’t concern themselves with US domestic politics, because the concept of sovereignty means countries don’t interfere in each other’s domestic problems.
I was mainly pointing out how the US government is willing to bend over backwards when “American interests” are threatened, but doesn’t consider housing, education, and poverty to be worth doing anything about. It’s mainly throwing our weight around and making sure rich people don’t lose money.
Which just shows what “American interests” really are.
You need to work on your reading comprehension
So people having homes isn’t in America’s interest? People not being fucking idiots and electing Trump isn’t in America’s interest?
That was their goal. Humiliate Ukraine like he tried to humiliate Canada and Mexico. He’s a bully and conman and lying, cheating, and breaking deals is how he has gotten through life and it’s all he knows. He thinks that by humiliating and making other leaders feel small and helpless he can make himself look big and strong and get a better deal.
He hasn’t figured out yet that dealing with sovereign countries with millions of citizens whose politicians need to answer to them, not Trump, is different that cheating a small paint store or a small architecture firm.
He’s bankrupted everything he’s tried to, the-art-of-the-deal and he’s going to bankrupt America.
If the world works together it can bring the United States to heel.
He tries to run diplomatic relations like he would be dealing with NYC mobsters. That man is entirely unsuited for office. The US population which elected him has shown to be unsuited for the leadership role they claim their country has. That’s the reality the rest of the world is facing. The US is a troubled state and an unreliable ally. Moreover, they are acting in the interests of adversarial nations to world peace and prosperity. Other nations who did that have been deemed rogue or terrorist states.
I’m with Trump on Ukraine.
And I don’t support Trump on other issues.
It’s fucking stupid supporting them. Whole thing started back in the days, but the world changed dramatically since.
What a stupid take. I’ll give you the benefit of the doubt and inform you that when the USSR fell a substantial amount of their nuclear weapons were within Ukraine’s borders and Ukraine was the only new state in a position to actually maintain and potentially deploy their nuclear arsenal.
Ukraine gave up those nukes on the promise that Russia and the USA wouldn’t invade Ukraine. Now Russia has invaded and the USA is siding with fucking Russia. This sends a message to every other civilized nation that the USA won’t back them up if another nuclear power invades. Where does that logically lead them then? “Better build my own nuclear deterrent” and now we’re gonna go from 7 countries with potential to end all life on earth to god knows how many. The downstream impact of this could literally end humanity.
I don’t care about those squabbles.
world has changed - china is beating US economically and that’s unlikely to change.have you been to any store in US recently - what’s manufactured in US? nothing - that’s right.
if US starts some stupid war right now - they don’t have the manufacturing industrial base anymore, in fact - China would be that country with that base.
Protecting EU for free make no sense - did you know there are BYD dealerships all over the place in europe? chinese cars - and thats supposed US ally, that allows complete chinese infiltration on its soil.
Firstly, please don’t whatabout me. But to answer your question; goods in every sector are still manufactured in this country. From shoes and jackets to missiles and airplanes, we still make it all. Definitely in far smaller quantities than before, because the cost of labor is significantly higher, meaning US made goods demand a large premium over imported goods. If everything was made domestically you’d be too poor to buy half the stuff you own now. Manufacturing jobs are trash and pay trash, unless they’re highly skilled jobs (like building airplanes). Nobody wants $3 an hour where I’m from.
We’re not protecting anything for free with Ukraine. We agreed that if this literal situation happened, we’d fight Russia since Ukraine was giving away their deterrent. Like, do you think Russia still would’ve invaded Ukraine if there were nukes that could wipe Moscow off the map in Ukraine?
Now everyone is going to start secret nuke programs because they can’t trust the USA to honor it’s end of the bargain. Our ability to negotiate was thrown into the garbage disposal for fucking what?
So… If China tries to take Taiwan, is that ok? Is it perfectly normal for the US to threaten to take Greenland and Panama?
Or are we pretending that war, genocide and taking over neighboring counties is just a one-off situation?
Yes. And I will tell you even more - we can’t do shit for Taiwan.
It’s too far away to resupply, and legally - it belongs to China.
The fuck are you talking about?? The US managed to resupply in Iraq and Afghanistan for 20 years,and they’re a LOT further away.
years,and they’re a LOT further away.
but its completely different situation.
those were 3rd word countries that were without any strong party backing.
with Taiwan - what’s your plan? openly engage China? start ww3 over Taiwan?
this is - i’m sorry - this is fucking nuts.US can’t win that even with conventional weapons, those transports gonna be sunk before getting anywhere close to Taiwan.
No no, you said “too far away to resupply”. I claim bullshit. I never suggested it was a good idea.
Troops in Vietnam had ice cream and cold Coca Cola.
There are mobile Burger Kings that can be loaded into military supply transports.
That’s just food.
You have no idea the capabilities of US logistics. Why do you think we have military bases on 6 continents and half the countries in the fucking world. It’s not just for fucking fun. The whole point is that the US can have a fully supplied fighting force anywhere in the world within a couple days.
Go lick fascist boots somewhere else. I still stand by the idea that democracy should be defended.
Why do you think we have military bases on 6 continents and half the countries in the fucking world.
completely different situation.
Vietnam - US was fighting against 3-rd world country. Sure with USSR/China backing, but indirect still.When you talk about Taiwan - you are talking about directly engaging China for a Chinese island that’s 60 miles from China and thousands of miles from US.
how do you picture that going?
if there is a hot war between US and China that’s somehow without nuclear (again - im asking you how is it going to be without nuclear) -> none of those transports gonna reach Taiwan for resupply.it’s a simple production math - they can outbuild US in rockets probably 10 to 1 and with modern technology - none of US carriers/strike groups gonna be able to do shit. they gonna be sunk super quick.
math is not mathing - give that fucking island to China, I dont want ww3 because of it.
In that case the US should be British still. Fucking uppity colony is what it is.
come and take it
Thanks USA, we don’t want another Afghanistan.
^ Troll alert. Don’t feed it.
Troll = anyone u disagree with
how is life in Russia nowadays, by the way? we get almost no reports of it other than the occasional protestors getting shut down
boeing whistleblower found dead: https://www.bbc.com/news/business-68534703
open ai whistleblower found dead: https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2024/dec/28/openai-whistleblower-suchir-balaji
huh, i was wondering about life in Russia
It tracks. US may as well be a Russian colony at this point
Inflation of food prices is very noticeable. Still manageable, though.
Taxes are getting higher.
Lots of services can’t be paid for due to sanctions. Some payments are possible, but for a premium.
Roscomnadzor still pisses everybody off. They’re slowing down YouTube to an unusable rate. They claim it’s Google’s hardware degrading (It’s not). Then there’s Discord being blocked, and now they seemingly want to target Steam for some unknown reason (the reason is VKontacte needs more money).
More insane legislature is being talked about.
The lingering threat of being drafted or randomly killed by a drone isn’t gone, which is emotionally draining.
People want peace. Yet, put responsibility on incumbent. (Think: “We had no say in it, they started it, they’ll finish it”)
Opposition? What opposition? Everybody’s either jailed or were forced to leave the country. They’ll literally lock up a single father up if he dares to show disagreement with their “special military operation.” And the kid? Who cares? They don’t matter to our very just and absolutely not corrupt courts. (Sry, still fuming about that story. Hope the judge and the principal will rot in hell)
That’s about it. Source: me, also russian news media and official legislature sources
I don’t agree with you, but I’m glad you’re allowed to say this without being censored.
The sick fucks at Fox said Orange Numbnuts should receive the Nobel Peace Prize. Did Neville Chamberlain make the nomination list when he licked the sweat off of Hitler’s sack?
Zelensky didn’t need to be made humble. Clearly he is and is only in power at this point for the sole reason to overcome the ruzzian invasion.
Trump embarrassed everyone who watched. It’s like watching a human do something disgusting and realizing it was disgusting without knowing anything else about humans.
The U.S. citizens bought the ticket now it’s time to take the ride.
I’d like a refund please, I didn’t agree to this.
I know in this instance you are prone to see Zelensky with the best eyes possible, but this was a shitshow from both sides. Trump, the usual, but Zelensky, what a lack of self-awareness!
This was a planned ambush. Zelensky handled it as well as could be expected under the circumstances. The fact that Vance and Trump kept demanding he say thanks and be obsequious to them when they’ve done nothing but undermine Ukraine and carry Putin’s water was beyond parody.
Thank you? For what? Extortion while promising nothing? If I were him I’d have told them to go fuck themselves. I guess that’s why I’m not president of jack shit.
This should have been over the second he mocked that disabled reporter, the fact that it didn’t says more about America as a country than the fact that it was allowed to get HERE.
America humiliated itself by voting this orange twat back in
We tried not to, I promise you. Our voting system is …problematical, at best
Illusion of choice
So is social media, and the openness of free societies to internal (the rich owning the media) and external (foreign adversaries) tampering. Spreading misinformation, eroding trust in institutions and truth itself, poisons like that.
Many democracies are crumbling this way. We yet have to find an effective antidote.
Regardless of the voting system, there still is a worryingly large portion of voters who were corrupted to serve other’s interests. And that is true to all (?) countries. That not just any two democracies fall first, but GB and US, kind of shows us that it could be anyone.
So while it is easy to look down on the fallen, or feel ashamed to be that - we’re helpless in this together. Hate to end like that.
The most embarrassing moment in American history. Regurgitating Russian propaganda to the ally currently under attack from Russia. It’s almost unbelievable that this actually occurred…
Almost. But some of us could tell he was a Manchurian Candidate
most embarrassing moment in American history
so far.
Its wild how much damage is being done in such a short time and how powerless everyone is to do anything.
That’s the real kicker, everyone is not powerless. On the contrary, as a matter of fact, everyone is powerful. America could change tomorrow if Americans wanted it bad enough.
People feel powerless because the country is split. They can’t change tomorrow became that would require onboarding 150m people and convincing them to standup to a tyrannical regime.
So it doesn’t matter how bad people on the left want it they can’t change anything. There is the option of revolution but you only get one shot at that and the Feds will see it being organised from a mile away.
I don’t think Ukraine is an ally anymore. I don’t think much of Europe is our ally at this point
I’m certainly not an ally, and I live here.
I mean, same. I hate that I’m an American rn.
Good thing we have the 1st and 2nd Amendments.
Perhaps useful idiots on the left should stop trying to take them away.
This administration and the greater right wing is the most virulent opponent of the first amendment this country has ever seen, and its not even remotely close.
How so?
Most embarrassing, wtf, have you read american history past the first grade. Hell in the first chapter you’ll find ethnic cleansing of natives and the three fifths compromise. This isn’t even the first time we’ve done a shakedown like this. Half of Latin America got this treatment in the 19th century, albeit less crude and poorly executed.
Even on the regurgitating authoritarian propaganda front, in the 70s we were running diplomatic cover for fucking Polpot and playing down the genocide because we wanted to get back at Vietnam and cozy up to China.
Those were all closed door dealings that boomers children could’ve only learned from hindsight. This was a public display of WTFery that rewrites the last century of geopolitical history, something like this hasn’t happened since… Oh god.
More embarrassing than Holocaust denial and the slaughter of indigenous people?
There’s lots of embarrassing things. There’s lots of really bad embarrassing things.
I hear the French had a most fabulous invention that could help with these sorts of problems.
The Etch-A-Sketch?
You could draw it on an etch-a-sketch.
But not quite as embarrassing as your comment history.
Dunning Kruger indeed
100% knew this shit would happen. Knew he was going to take this all as some massive win. His cronies probably all patted him on the back and gladly licked his nuts.
He doesn’t think it, Krasnov simply knows he has to keep repeating that talking point to get people that haven’t seen the “discussion” to side with him. Why this talking point instead of another? Using the same criticism against the other side turns it into a matter of whose word those people value more to begin with. It’s him relying on his popularity. Those that don’t value Krasnov more (that also haven’t seen it) could potentially be swayed to at least think both sides were in the wrong.
He took away anyone’s right to ever suggest a woman would be too emotional to be president lmao.
You expect Republicans to be consistent? They live for hypocrisy.
