We are a large, rugged country with huge areas to hide in full of large rugged people with guns.

Okay, but, so? We’re still occupied. People still died. Survivors are still traumatized. If it gets to the point where we’re living in caves on the escarpment and doing guerilla raids on Hamilton, WE HAVE ALREADY FUCKING LOST EVERYTHING OF IMPORTANCE. Get guns, fine, but I’ll be filling out my application for refugee status.

The problem is this harmful and terrifying idea of annexing Canada will remain even after trump is gone. Vance is a young dude, him or whoever is the successor will advance Trunps policies and priorities, after the next president even. Canada needs to shift away from the US long term.

A lot of people in the US will say they don’t support it, and will speak out against it, but when the forces deploy, the American people won’t do anything to stop it. They won’t stage walkouts, or take actions that will cripple their economy at home in protest, because it will cause them inconvenience and pain.

They’ll just say they’re against it, that they’re morally outraged, and will offer ‘thoughts and prayers’. Nothing more.

As an American who has avoided joining the American military because I’ve been afraid of dying in a war, I’m almost leaning into wanting to join the Canadian military at this point. As I’m much less afraid of dying now that I’m nigh suicidal and Canadian sovereignty sounds like a viable cause to actually fight for.

They voted for this. So I don’t have any sympathy for them saying Trump doesn’t represent them. He does. They go on and on about how they’re the greatest country in the world, and how their government is ‘of the people, by the people, for the people’. They’re more responsible for the actions of their government than any other nation is for theirs.

And the American mentality is that their pride will never let them admit if they’re wrong. So even though they may know that talks of annexation and taking away our country are beyond offensive, they can’t say it. They have to say that it’s for some greater good that no one else can see, even if they know it’s BS. But the problem is, short of NATO putting troops in our country to help fight off an invasion, I don’t know what would stop the US from just trying to take whatever they want in the name of ‘freedom’. And the funny thing is, on the Cato Human Freedom Index, which measures a person’s person, economic and civil freedom, we rank higher than the US. We’re #11, and the US, the leader of the free world, is #17. So how are they the ‘freest nation’ in the world? Why would we downgrade ourselves by joining them? We wouldn’t. No one would. Unless it was by force.

I’ve said this before, and I meant it then; the mentality of the US is that they’re basically a r***** telling their victim that if they lay down and let them (USA) have their way with them, they won’t get hurt. THAT’s the US right now. They’re our neighbours, but they’re NOT our friends. And they probably never were. They just finished hurting other nations, and decided to turn their attention to us.

Remember kids, we’re one of the reasons the Geneva Conventions exist. A surrendering soldier is a dead one.

Previous presidents have famously committed acts of war without the consent of congress. Including assassinations and drone strikes on civilians.

Even if he fails, our quality of life would significantly decrease. Not really wanting to become an insurgent and get my brains blown out by a delta force operator or something. Not saying we should back down in any case, but the prospect of an invasion like that is scary af.

Ya I want him to try as well. I am so fucking sick of republicans and magats dragging down the entire human race. Can you imagine what the world would be like if bush didn’t steal the election from al gore? No war in the middle east, probably would have resulted is way better relations between countries all around the world. Would have resulted in more prosperity for everyone. Would have been a massive coordinated effort to fight climate change. They’d probably have healthcare by now. To this day republicans have been hell bent on destroying the world. I hope they come to Canada. Wiping them out would be the highest possible purpose my life could ever serve. Even if I could only take out one of those magat freaks with me, it would be worth it. Lets fucking go, ill be ready.

I dunno, is it bad that you’ve brainwashed yourself and are now actively radicalizing yourself? It’s a judgement call.

Yes, because innocent people will die.

Yes, it’s bad. We’d lose. Maybe they’d lose too, but if so it’s going to involve Taliban-like timelines and Afghanistan-like living conditions that whole time.

Historically, the US has never acquired territory by force

Fucking What

Was your historian a rabid white supremacist who pretends none of the Indian Wars happened, much less the Mexican or Spanish-American Wars?

What about all the native land, and the Mexican-American war?

I also want him to try, mostly because I think that may finally be the straw that gets someone to successfully snipe him. All it will take is some pissed off hosier with better aim than the last guy.

Canada is doing some stuff as well. here is the official govt release about the move.

I’m no economist but here’s the best explanations

I read so far about what Canada is doing with this move (post-Carney’s arrival I might add).

I don’t think anyone there wants to abandon their free healthcare, but you never know with these smooth brain conspiracy people.

I literally thought it was another one of his stupid speaking mistakes, like when he suggested bleach/UV inside the body (he was just repeating some stuff he didn’t understand badly, and iirc he didn’t keep harping on it). Kinda surprised to see he was serious about it, it makes no sense to me either.

That’s fair. There’s still sensible people in the USA.

I was a little unclear before, the set of people who think this makes sense is entirely within the set of people in the USA. Which doesn’t and shouldn’t imply that all people in the USA believe that this makes sense.

I apologize if there was any implication of lumping all Americans into the same pool of stupidity. That’s an insult to you and I am sorry.

Have a good day neighbor.

Canada would never be state. A territory of unending insurgency at best, until the US killed every last one of us.

From a trade/foreign policy perspective, no, it makes no sense. From a long term growth of the USA perspective, it makes a lot of sense. As the Earth heats up, the equator will become less habitable, and the poles will become more habitable. Canada and Greenland have a low population density because of their northern climate, they have resources that are un-extracted because it is not economical to pay someone to live on-site. Every year it gets warmer, and that land becomes more valuable.

For the record, I’m not against Canada becoming a new State, but I am against using military or economic strong-arming to sway that decision.

I guess he’s also admitting to his desire of never having any new elections? As Canada would get like over 50 seats in the electoral college…

You are not wrong but by proportional representation where Democrats far outnumber them, they will never win in policy so long as we don’t do something stupid like voting by land rather than people.

Fair enough. I’m trying to convince Cascadia to secede bit by bit.

Canadians are nice, then we’re not. We are savage AF.

And we’ve had a few months to think up new ways. Come get it.