Summary
Ontario Premier Doug Ford warned that Canada could cut electricity exports to the U.S. in retaliation for Donald Trump’s new tariffs on Canadian goods.
The U.S. imposed a 25% tariff on most Canadian imports, citing border security concerns. Ford emphasized that U.S. states like New York and Michigan rely on Canadian energy and should “feel the pain.”
Canadian officials also announced $155 billion in counter-tariffs.
If enacted, energy restrictions would likely raise prices in the U.S., escalating trade tensions between the two countries.
Ford is spineless. I doubt he has the balls to do this
(Copy-pasting from another thread)
I like Cory Doctorow’s plan.
The reason Canada got tariff-free access to sell to the US in the first place? Canada agreed to enforce penalties for tampering with digital locks, following the premise of the Digital Milennium Copyright Act.
If the US is going back on the deal, then Canada should too. Make it legal to jailbreak all US tech.
Doctorow advocating for this plan:
- On Democracy Now
- On his blog
- On his podcast
- In the Ursula Franklin lecture at the University of Toronto’s Innis College (I especially enjoyed this one, but it is the longest)
Thanks for sharing this info mate…It’s a eye opener…Just fuck the technocrats.
Big up DemocracyNow. Every American should have them as one of their sources of news.
We could stop respecting US copyright laws everywhere outside of the US. That would be hilarious.
I mean I already don’t respect them, but legally they still matter unfortunately.
Now that’s an idea! Hit us back where it hurts, right in the oligarchs
Doctorow likes to put it as “hitting them right in the dongle”.
Why is the fairness meter of the article “unfair left leaning”, when it just reports on something someone said?
I don’t see any opinion piece there, but pretty much just direct quoting
How can this be even left or right leaning? Oo
It’s supposed to be for the publication as a whole, not the specific article. No idea what metric they’re using, though.
Edit: Never mind, was talking about something else.
Nah, it’s article by article.
Hold us accountable and submit your rating of this article on the meter.
Ah, I thought they were talking about the bot that is or was on here that rated sources.
Oh, so they crowd-sourced it and it’s being brigaded by Trump morons. Got it.
Because many people in the US (and elsewhere, sadly) are not media-literate enough to understand the difference between the veracity of an article and their opinion about it.
You’re supposed to click where you think it should go. It’s a voting mechanism.
Yeah, I thought it’s showing me the current voting already.
In another comment someone explained to me, that this is just the default position before the vote - which I find prettyintuitiveunintuitive.
But maybe that’s just me…Did you mean “unintuitive?”
Intuitive means it feels right.
Ah, yeah, thanks.
Auto correct fucked me over…
In the US, reporting on simple facts makes you “radical left” while obvious propaganda makes you “right leaning”.
Reality has a liberal bias.
Yeah, wherever I talk with right wingers, who support fascists and extreme right radicals, it’s always the extreme radicale left in opposition.
Because everything, that’s not on their extreme right site, seems to be radicale left…
Why is the fairness meter of the article “unfair left leaning”
It isn’t; that article is rated neutral/fair. You need to vote on the fairness rating yourself first, then it’ll show you the average score
Ah, ok!
Thanks!
Still a weird thing to show for an unvoted stateYeah, I don’t know why it just doesn’t show the needle at all until you vote
We Americans have a serious problem labeling anything we disagree with as “those other guys”. I might even say it’s our main problem. We wouldn’t be where we’re at today without the divisiveness and team mentality.
Sadly it’s not just Americans…
Seeing the same we-they pattern here in Austrian right wing communities/parties
Sometimes I go look at r/conservative just to take temperature, and on returning to political communities on lemmy I find the same ad hominem insults and dehumanizing efforts as over there, certainly less of it and less virulent, but just as spiteful and aggressive.
I’m all for being upset when it’s appropriate, but I am afraid that political affiliations are no guarantee of sanity or reasoning.
I’m just fed up with the constant sensational shock fake news (usually of right wing parties), which only aim for fear, anger and hatred
Yeah, we all have problems and we need to work on that. That’s pretty much life - especially social life and much more (geo-) political life.
But I can’t stand the rhetoric anymore. From highschool bullies playbook to imitating Hitler’s rhetoric. I’m just too fed up with it.
I want fact based politics and crowd sourced solutions - from the people that are actually affected.
And not some idiot calling a whole group of people degenerates and worth shit.In the late 90s with the “real” Internet still alive and all of the people starting to face global problems, I was really optimistic, that this would bring us all together.
To work on a global solution.
But nah, we need to have populistic simple “solutions” for complex problems, where seemingly every time it’s just the fault of some minority group or some foreigners.This now just isn’t the world I wanted to live in and I naively hoped for so much better and more…
Edit: to make extend on that:
Society doesn’t need a rigid framework of rules to live in. So fuck social control - doesn’t matter if it comes from religion or from state.
The laws we live in should reflect the society we currently are. And not try to pressure society into some form of ideological picture.
And with that, fuck ideology as well.Society is always changing and our rules to live by need to be as flexible as that.
But somehow people still long for a wannabe strongman leader, who only cares for himself.We could just build our own society, with basic democracy, no real leaders, but maybe just elected representatives.
We don’t need anyone to tell us, how we should behave.
We hopefully are grown up enough to see the ethical correct way.But people seem to prefer to be childs and just hand over responsibility…
Unfortunately, ideology is like halitosis: it’s always someone else’s problem. Showing how a position is “allowing you to participate in your own oppression” (my definition of ideology) can seem impossible or require great skill.
Emotionally, a lot of people seem to need a leader not a representative. I wonder how much is culture and ideology, and how much is evolutionary.
We like sweets, too, and learn to do without. I believe we can do the same by suppressing leaders and thus managing the Sociopath in Power problem.
I just don’t know how a grown up and educated human can still look for a leader in its life
I’m in favour of a primus inter pares concept, so I do get, that I give off responsibility in some parts of my life to people, who just do it better.
Like, I’m not really good with mechanical stuff, others are. So it’s better that they do it.
But I’m rather good with computer stuff, so we help each other out.I just don’t see the need for a kindergartner in a society of grown ups.
Problem is, that we’re currently lacking education in quite some parts, so many people never really get to actually grow up and need to rely on other people, because they never knew better.
This sounds a bit derogatory, but that’s the only way I can image, why people want to have a “strong” leader above them - they just don’t want to take responsibility.
That’s why I advocate for anarchism.
Take the power away to coerce people.
Yeah, I’m an Anarchist as well
So that’s what I basically described here ;-)
Or at least a form of it
Sadly it’s not just Americans…
But they’re the best at it. Tremendous at it. Everyone says it. People say it. You know it
“to cut” is very different from “could cut”
Don’t announce it, just do it and observe the panic…and then the begging for it to come back but with a 25% hike in prices.
Just look at this ARCO!
Its on biaches!
Wow, $2.01CAD/L that’s actually slightly higher than our notoriously high BC prices. I was assuming it would be something like $1CAD/L which is a low price we’d dream of here.
Its okay poor people will just band together carpooling in mini coopers… 12 at a time. All while wearing big shoes. Hey! We gotta make a buck somehow! This Canadian engine covffefe won’t pay for itself.
Also it can only be paid in avocado toast.
As an American, I agree 100%. Canada needs to kick our ass. We deserve it.
I agree with the sentiment but those states are all pretty blue. Trump might just let it happen to widen the divide and somehow claim that it’s punishment for not bending the knee.
Im gonna tell you right now, as a Canadian, we do not care what colour your states are.
But also - we invite secession!
Secession is a nice idea, but merging into Canada is a nonstarter.
Canada is 40 million people, New York is 20 million. That kind of influx would be insane to manage. And that’s just one state…
I can only think of east/west Germany as the closes parallel and they are still merging the halves.
I agree. I think we’d be better off supporting their new independent nation[-states?] than absorbing them. Too many systemic issues and too large of a population to change overnight, not to mention all the guns. Maybe we could accept Hawaii, I think they’re far enough removed from the continental states.
Isn’t the balkanization of the US explicitly part of Russia’s goal, and establishment of city-states (or CityCorps) the explicit goal of the dark enlightenment types that Peter Thiel is backing?
There is a simple solution:
Form a North American union
“We can’t merge states with Canada because what if we tried with <third largest state with largest city in either country>?”
Your logic here is flawless.
New York would be a state affected by the power freeze?
Let’s start with something smaller - Vermont is cool, they can come over (PS Bring Bernie).
This is a great comment.
I think that Americans have forgotten that not everything in the world fits into US partisan politics.
Americans rarely think outside of terms of “America” and “not America”
Got it. The Americans who have been struggling against this shit storm are still allowed to communicate.
Yeah well the country you guys are threatening to invade is allowed to have a fucking opinion on it.
I support that. I invite you to hate on the US government and the assholes that put it in power. But you do yourself and many like me a disservice by acting like all US citizens want this to happen.
You do yourselves a disservice by allowing this to happen.
You’re right. Sorry.
We are not acting like all US citizens wanted this to happen, but we understand that this is happening and what you wanted at this point is not relevant. If you don’t want to be lumped into the rest of your belligerent nation, do something.
You’re right. Apologies. Its been a shitty decade.
Vermont in particular is heavily dependent on imported energy.
There are no blue states. It’s red country and blue cities.
That’s some weird logic. Trump enacts tariffs on Canada,who retaliates in kind, so you’re worried about blue votes. Trump may claim that after the fact, but he’s definitely not playing chess that many moves ahead.
The dude can barely plan a double jump with hopscotch, much less checkers.
Trump enacts tariffs on Canada.
Exactly. Trump. Not the states that voted against him. If you want to retaliate, retaliate against Trump. Make him, and the people that voted for him feel the pain.
Look at the things he’s doing domestically. There’s nothing he and his MAGA dipshits love more than sticking it to the blue states. So, Canada doing something that predominantly hurts blue states isn’t going to hurt Trump at all. Quite the contrary, it’s going to give him huge hard-on.
So, if your goal is to help Trump, well then carry on.
Cutting off power in blue states will mean that the energy has to come from somewhere else, which means higher demand, and higher costs across multiple states, also red ones.
And let’s not pretend those “blue states” don’t have very large numbers of maga idiots as well
Washington State, here. Can confirm. Seattle and Bellingham carry the state blue. Them yokels everywhere else vote red.
I’ve literally seen Dixie flags here in Washington. Like, how fucking dumb do you need to be?
I’m curious, is there somewhere you can see votes broken down by county, or preferably more granular than that? I remember seeing an article a month ago about one of those small Alaskan panhandle towns that relies on its bigger BC neighbour town. They were begging the BC/Canadian government to take it easy on them because they didn’t vote for this but the article immediately fact checked them with an Alaskan government stat showing that town in particular voted something like 80% for Trump. My point is, I’ve been hearing a lot from both Point Roberts and Port Angeles and I’m curious if they’re full of shit or not.
Definitely not. Port Angeles has a major ferry service going back and forth to Victoria. I love that ferry ride - you often get to see grey whales on the trip, and god damn, Vicky is just one of the most beautiful cities. I love it so much. I wish I could move there.
I’m not sure this gets granular enough. I don’t think that the upper peninsula is as blue as this map suggests, seeing as when I was there before the election, it was just littered with Trump signs. https://bestneighborhood.org/conservative-vs-liberal-map-washington/
Far be it from me to suggest a Fox site, but this also breaks it down: https://www.fox13seattle.com/news/wa-county-voted-president
Anyhow, the GOP voters will, in the words of the inimitable Ricky from Trailer Park Boys, “cut off their nose for spiderface.”
Dixie flags are usually a dog whistle for racism
Thanks. I was just mentioning it for fun. I definitely wasn’t insinuating that. /s
Like it or not, Trump’s actions are America’s actions now and we’ll fight back in any way we can.
Also Canadians are pretty pissed at Americans in general right now
What is it you actually think I intended? Are your glasses foggy?
That Ozempic chewing orange twat has never physically jumped in his life, let’s be honest.
not on those 3inch heels, making his stand like a frontaur.
Can’t with them bone spurs
Given that Canadians don’t typically vote in American elections, I don’t see how that has anything to do with us or should affect our decision making.
The USA is tariffing us, not just the red states.
Yeah, the us is bad at thinking everyone is inside their crazy system. It does not matter to us if you state “don’t blame me I voted for Kodos”, at the end of the day you are all citizens of a belligerent nation. Your government is representing you all on the world stage, if you don’t like it do something about it.
those states are all pretty blue.
Minnesota is. Michigan tends to be (especially now that our districts are drawn independently), but we voted for Trump as a state. And New York is mostly red except for NYC.
I almost want to see our power bills skyrocket in Michigan. But at the same time I know full well the dipshits who voted red (including my own family) will blame everyone else before they blame the people who might end abortion. So it won’t matter. They won’t learn. Instead we’ll all suffer because of their idiocy and they’ll continue to think that we’re winning.
(In fact they’ll be thrilled because it will mean increased oil and natural gas production to close the gap in demand.)
The problem with that is trying to ramp up oil and gas production in the US is a losing proposition. Even with a friendly administration, it takes a long time and a lot of money to do it and it may not pay off.
Maybe you guys should just kick out the traitors that very obviously work for a foreign government.
We wanted to. Unfortunately, the corporations run the country and so we have no effective opposition party. The Democrats are as beholden to big money donors as the Mazis.
Doug Ford is the last idiot I want to hear anything from.
Yeah, if there’s one piece of shit politician to sell out his country for a fat sack of cash, it’s Doug Ford. Gives zero shits about anyone’s strife.
You may not like him but right now he’s the Premier that took the lead to respond to Trump.
You cant trust conservative. He will eventually negociate a position in the Trump show and sell-out. He explicitly said he was glad pedonald won just a few months ago.
We know he accepts bribes so he is just waiting for his piece of the pie you are correct.
Play stupid games win stupid prizes. Glad that Canadians are standing up for themselves.
Awesome Canada!
New York, the blue state? Canada is likely bluffing, as that’s a wet dream for Trump.
Talk of state colours? In an international trade war? Until there is an active civil war the rest of the world does not care about your internal tribalism.
When you find out how America works, you’re going to be quite embarrassed by this comment.
When you find out how the world works, you are going to be quite embarrassed by this comment.
Bless your heart.
Western NY is super red. Saw loads of Trump flags on lawns in 2022, not even a presidential election year. Very kind and friendly people though.
Michigan, a swing state, is in the crosshairs as well. They already have frequent major outages in the Detroit metropolitan. I don’t think this will help.
If Trump’s idiotic trade war with our allies turns blue states red, then it’s no longer quite as idiotic as we all think.
You are clearly no longer an ally. You are a beligerant state with out working rule of law.
America is absolutely not a true ally so long as Trump is in charge. At best, America’s allies can only trust us for about 2 years under idealistic political circumstances, and I have very, very seldom seen idealistic political circumstances in my lifetime.
Do it, do it, do it, do it, do it, do it… America needs to learn, I say this as an American.
Honestly, I don’t think there’s going back to any level of normal. Maybe by quickly destroying the system, we will be able to quickly rebuild it (after all the destruction to everyone’s lives)
Elon and Trump seem to be intentionally destroying the system, or are so profoundly stupid that they’ve pulled a “We did it Patrick! We saved the city!”
Honestly with those two I can never tell if they’re being dumb or malicious.
I can definitely tell that they are always being malicious. Sociopaths like them doesnt do humanitarian acts, it is always exclusively about themselves
Him blanket accusing a guy of pedophilia simply because he was getting more attention and didn’t wanna use a Musk made submarine was everything I needed to see to know he’d turn out like this
They are absolutely intentionally destroying the system
Acellerate! MORE ACCELERATION!
Don’t get too excited. Ford loves to talk tough but he’s a fucking pussy.
We’ll see what actually happens. No one here is holding their breath.
Hey pussies can take a pounding.
So he’s a big ballsack?
R.I.P. Betty White
Does he have anything in plan to protect Canadians rather than just revenge on the US? Like in BC they’re pushing the buy local, cutting down American liquor sales, and realloting some money to prep for what’s expected to be all the upcoming layoffs.
All I’ve seen from Ontario is Ford saying he’ll kick America’s ass metaphorically but is there anything in place to protect the local jobs that’d be lost if they were to cut off all that electricity?
Not sure, I don’t live in Ontario anymore so I’m not so plugged in on provincial politics. It would certainly be very like Ford to make all these big aggressive moves but ultimately fuck over Ontarians in the process. But like I said, I’m not aware of the details, so that’s just baseless speculation.
The Fords aren’tgreat at Making ng stuff work. They’re better at stopping things.
LCBO is actively removing American products from shelves.
I do think there’s more technical problems related to decoupling a massive load from the grid, but Ford does seem to be following through with at least some of the promised retaliations. Time will tell if he keeps it up.
Higher utilities will piss off a lot of anger prone people. Do it.
Good for them, maybe our economy will collapse too, and an angry mob will storm the white house and kick Trump out. He can emergency evacuate to Russia, and we can find an administration that isn’t insane.
Heyy… a guy can dream.
I wish we weren’t pinning our hopes on angry mobs. But you play the hand you are delt.
Feel free to get on with that angry mobbing.
Cept that is what the rich want. Shit to fall apart. Cuz then they get to buy shit up for cheap and consolidate even more wealth.
That works until their shit gets burned.
When the only things left to buy have to be built with hands and eyes, they will have to share the wealth with the rest of us.
The rich aren’t going to be buying anything if the dollar is literally worthless. Hyperinflation is no joke.
The Rich™ want to buy the dip and buy up property (see project 2025). They need the economy to break but not to completely collapse. And then it will “bounce back” enough that they can transfer their USD to other currencies.
Whether trump’s fucking stupidity will accomplish that seems REAL questionable.
That said: Massive power outages (also, this is just the equivalent of a state governor with a crackhead brother saying it to appear strong to Canada’s conservatives) might be what this country needs to get out en masse in places other than the blue states.
With a dead crackhead brother you mean
Also, they won’t be buying anything if they become festive decorations on fences and lampposts across the country.
sort of the best case scenario
Im still flabbergasted that so many people are just shrugging at what Trump is doing and saying, well, if only Kamala or the DNC did this or that instead. Maybe we wouldn’t be in this mess.
Leftists aren’t capable of self reflection.
Imagine thinking Harris is a leftist
I think you had a reading comprehension fail.
Oh, how disappointing, I thought leftists crossed a broad spectrum of thinking and many were annoyingly, mutually, critical.
Which semi-fictional political segment generalization is self-reflexive then?
I guess you proved your own point.
In general, the more a person brags about something, the less true it is — and Americans love to brag about how tough and free they are…
Considering he won an undisputed election and at least a quarter of his base are gun nuts, plus police love to use excessive force & violence, that scenario would probably play out poorly for pretty much everyone. I would say try to show conservatives how terrible he really is, but that’s not going to happen in Lemmy. I’m not even conservative, I’m anti-authoritarian centrist but even I find this place extremely hostile to conversation with anyone who doesn’t embrace the group-think.
Nobody is going to support trump if the whole system collapses. We’ve seen it play out over and over across history.
Well, yeah. But if people try to forcibly remove him before that happens probably there will a lot of unnecessary beatings, incarceration and death. Honestly even leftists have been saying this system needs torn down for decades. So if he tears it down, build back better.
If you take a shot at the king, you best not miss.
In reality, it isn’t shitty enough for people to revolt. 3 days of food scarcity and shit will happen that makes the French revolution look tame.
And that is when you stage a coup.
We won’t do shit until we are literally starving. Look right here at Lemmy, non-stop memes and stories about how what horrible economic shape we’re in. So how is everyone fat?! Meanwhile, I go to work and look at what’s for sale, at what prices, and think, “Jesus, people pay for this?!”
Even the Great Depression didn’t have us storming the White House. Think on that.
tl;dr: Americans aren’t near broke enough to band together.
You say that but the other team went far into your capitol and they looked well nourished enough.
Yeah, thats why I said a total system collapses. And that’s not out of the question.
Very true.
But we’re speedrunning the fall of America.
Give it another year or two. You’ll start seeing widespread violence. We can only cross our fingers that it gets directed properly toward our traitorous government.
The great depression had the bonus march. They camped in front of the white house and were dispersed with tear gas and cavalry charge led by Douglas MacArthur.
I’d prefer we do more than kick Trump out. Like…guillotine them all.
Yup.
It isn’t just Trump that has to go. It’s every traitorous Republican in Congress who have abdicated their responsibility to the Constitution and to every single U.S. citizen.
Broadcast it live on PBS!
This was just off by 50 years.
