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Everyone forgets where the German cars, Henry Ford, etc came from politically.
I was looking into my first EV, and politics just didn’t weigh that much into the decision. Now, the “infotainment as a perpetual service”, that turned me off and away from Tesla. With CarPlay my car dash will never lose service, and will always be free to use with updates from Apple/Google. I can’t imagine why people would ever pay for their infotainment when CarPlay is better or equal in all cases to the alternative.
That said, if Tesla and other brands were equally weighted in my purchase decision, I’d then happily rule Tesla out based on merit.
Are either Ford or Mercedes currently run by Nazis? Can the average person on the street name the CEO of either of them?
The problem with Tesla is that everyone hates the guy who has made himself the face of the company at a time when there are plenty of alternatives.
The issue is that the alternatives generally aren’t that much better in a vacuum. Infotainment vs Tesla infotainment (removing the CarPlay merits): It’s not even close. Tesla is like 10-15 years ahead of everything else on the US market in their price range. Car manufacturers famously lock in their tech and designs something like 3 years before public release.
Will there be meaningful software updates for your Kia EV6 in 2028? Absolutely not, no way.
Do you want to tow anything more than 1000Kg? Good luck outside of Tesla.
NACS? Not one single other car available yet.
Do you want a dashcam? Rivian is the only other brand, IIRC.
I’m not apologizing for Tesla, but it’s really painful how awful all other cars are compared to the competition.
15 years ahead on record recalls and NTSA crash test no- call-no-shows.
If Rivian had a more affordable option they’d be eating Teslas lunch right now. R2 coming next year.
Rivian don’t sell vehicles outside the US though so they’re always going to be on the back burner internationally. Plus of course, most of the world don’t want a pick up truck style vehicle in any case.
Do you really not know about R2 and R3??
Issue with waiting for the R2/3 is that the tax credits will probably be gone by then.
What an annoying position to be in, needing software updates for your fucking car. Then what, you’ll have to replace it after three years because it won’t get any new security patches anymore?
Tesla was ahead 10-15 years, sure. But they mostly lost that lead. Yes, their software is great, but at the same time Tesla doesn’t seem to be able to do basic car features right. For instance, it doesn’t have a rain sensor and relies on the front facing camera to detect rain. I can tell you from experience that it doesn’t work as well as a sensor. It’s even worse when it detects rain, while it is completely dry. But you cannot turn the wipers off, because then you won’t be able to use cruise control anymore. Cruise control, which by the way (non FSD) is shit in comparison to the competition.
The tablet might be a couple years ahead of the competition. The value they bring in bang for buck with a great feature package is also greatly competitive. But the car is behind when it comes to just normal car things. I have buttons on my steering wheel as indicators for fuck sake, a problem we already fixed when we were still prosecuting Nazis.
Will there be meaningful software updates for your Kia EV6 in 2028? Absolutely not, no way.
I just got a new electric Kia and I don’t give the slightest shit about updates. In fact I would prefer no updates for fear it would make the great car I have worse. And no way in hell will I ever give Dotard Musk any of my money,
I’m happy with my stereo being a glorified Bluetooth speaker
Don’t have a working stereo in my 22-yo truck or 23-yo car. Bluetooth speaker it is!
(I don’t generally listen to anything driving. I like to chill and think about life. Which ain’t always the wise move.)
Hell yeah. I prob have a 1/3 split between music, podcasts and silence. Silence do be a double edged sword
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That is an insane take to me. Elon Musk is Nazi scum and the Tesla has issues, but the infotainment system is the best you can get in any car and the main reason I haven’t been able to get rid of it, ignoring the fact that literally every other non Chinese EV in the same price range in my country is objectively worse specced.
Having an extremely responsive map with satellite imagery that boots up instantly is already better than every other car out there, but it also has built-in dashcam and livestream functionality for all 4 cameras, which is a bitch to install in other cars, and it’s already saved me a bunch of times.
Android Auto just plain sucks ass, disconnects constantly and a lot of newer models still require a wired connection.
Also worth noting you’re not paying for the infotainment, you’re paying for the cellular connection, with whatever local cellular company they are working with. In my case it’s cheaper than getting a data plan directly from the cellular company and my old Hyundai didn’t even have that option in my country.
And people say lemmy doesn’t have ads.
At least it still has the same low effort comments as Reddit.
German cars come from Carl Benz, who built the first automobile in 1885, four years before Hitlers birth.
Not necessarily Carl Benz himself, but it has been litigated that the company had ties to the nazi regime. I’m not arguing that Mercedes was founded on Nazi values, I’m just saying there was a connection and a less than stellar history of bedfellows.
Every German corporation that was around back then had ties to the Nazis, especially anything industrial. As one can see in the US at the moment, corporations swim with the tide. Most of these companies succeeded despite the Nazis, not because of them, with obvious exception being VW.
Also actual Nazis were worse than the “nazis” everyone’s worried about now.
Dotard Musk comes from a South African Afrikaner background. Those same people literally ran a white supremist government and jailed Nelson Mandela for decades.
and hopefully it stays that way.
I’ve seen an increase in new Teslas where I live, not a decrease.
Sounds like a creepy place
You’re not wrong, it’s infuriating to see more of them
Yeah but that’s the logic that the climate change denies also used.
“Global warming can’t be real, as it snowed yesterday”
Fair point, I live in a red county so more is kind of expected I suppose
nobody wants a defective car.
Their cars are pretty good. That is not the problem.
My buddy messed up and spilled a drink in his model X. When pulling up the carpet and panels to clean up he found a bunch of blue painter’s tape where there were supposed to be wiring harnesses and screws. You’ll note that blue painters tape is designed to be temporary, and will not last more than a year or two.
I’ve heard mixed stuff, like some people saying it’s plastic and stuff and only serviceable via Tesla if things go wrong?
Others I know have driven it for years and have been happy except the whole Musk shit which leads to your point. (excluding Cybertruck, I don’t know anyone that drives a Cybertruck).
I’ve heard mixed stuff, like some people saying it’s plastic and stuff
This is mostly true. I cannot say if it’s more or less plastic than competition. Doesn’t seem that different to my non-car-experienced eyes.
and only serviceable via Tesla if things go wrong?
I don’t think this is true.
I don’t think this is true.
Yeah, it’s why I added a question mark.
I’ve had one friend say because it’s electronic that only Tesla can fix certain things? Maybe I misunderstood maybe they meant that because it’s under warranty where the dealership should be fixing it.
It’s not locked in such a way that only Tesla can do it, but it can be hard to find places that will service them. Especially smaller shops just don’t want to go through the hassle of figuring it out, and figuring out how to order parts and such, at least where I live.
Basically, it is going to depend on the shops near you and while Tesla doesn’t seem to actively prevent it I think they make it enough of a hassle for other shops that it may be true in some places that you can only rely on them for repairs.
Tesla doesn’t do a lot of the body work or glass type of things, but if you need a new computer, heat pump or anything like that, it’s going to be with Tesla, and especially anything around the battery/power train. Most 3rd party battery replacements fail early due to all the modules not being levelled properly or some fancy battery term for it.
They could (and should) open up a lot of that to 3rd parties, but they keep it in house.
My brother has a model 3. It’s a nifty car. The advanced cruise control (not their FSD) is better than the Blue-Cruise in my Ford, and works on more roads. Build quality seems about the same TBH, although my brother may just have a good example. The Tesla charging network is expansive, and would be a major point to the Model 3, but other cars can charge there now, even older models can do it with an adapter.
Ergonomics-wise, I think the Ford is much better. Better controls on the steering wheel, has a “gauge cluster” instead of putting important info on the center display away from the driver’s line of sight, and it’s easier to open the doors, both from the outside, inside, and in the case of emergencies.
The Ford doesn’t randomly slam the brakes on the highway, so I’d call that a plus. Look up “phantom braking”.
Tesla Model 3 Ranked Last In German TUV Reliability Report https://www.carscoops.com/2023/12/tesla-model-3-ranked-last-in-german-tuv-reliability-report/
2-3 years Tesla Model 3 14.7% defect rate
After having seen other manufacturer’s cars at similar prices points, I must say, I disagree.
I’m sure there’s a bit of subjectivity and having gotten used to it. But the ones I’ve tried as replacement for my Model Y so far haven’t impressed me.
How do you feel about owning a Nazi car? Any feelings around that? Curious about your feelings or anyone else owning a Tesla right now.
It’s time to paste anti nazi / antifa sticker on it, but it should be driven until it’s death in respect to all the resources that was needed to build it. I mean, it is still a working car after all.
Sure, fair point. 👍
I’d feel like such a target, to be honest. At least if I was living in politically-volatile America right now.
Yeah that’s the number one reason I’m looking at other cars right now. So you could say I have some feelings about that.
THEYRE NOT GOOD
put 6k miles on my EV9 so far and loving it, much roomier than model Y
Yeah, Kia EV6 is on my list, but I haven’t gotten around to test driving it yet. EV9 seems way too big for our needs.
I imagine 😅
They’ve probably had more recalls on the cyber truck than they’ve had sales of the cyber truck
Well not nobody. Turns out there are some Nazis. /s
For the Americans that don’t know the word Nazism: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazism?wprov=sfla1
Although he has right-wing ideologies, there is no evidence of Elon Musk being a Nazi. A car can’t be a Nazi either…
I’m tired of all of the populism and strong headlines on Lemmy. Actual factual journalism gets burried deep in the feed.
Oh fuck off, bootlicker.
Thanks for the civilized discussion. Have a nice day to you too.
Civility is what is demanded of the oppressed after the oppressors robbed, assaulted and threatened. No more. ✊
“Ignore your lying eyes.”
Fuckin’ Nazi apologists.
No need to get personal. I’m open for a civilized discussion but not this.
You don’t like being called a nazi apologist, don’t make excuses for nazis.
You’re not open to calling a Nazi a Nazi. Fuck you.
Wwwaaahhh! Defending Nazis gets people to say mean things to me!
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Man, you can really see Adolf saying “Sieg Heil!” Scary stuff.
Not to mention the guy on the left.
I don’t think I could do a better Nazi salute on purpose.
there’s 0% chance he didn’t practice in front of the mirror like a fucking dork
nazis didn’t exist, they were all confused autists making awkward gestures
I disagree. He’s done enough that calling him a Nazi feels accurate to me. Or at least enough of a Nazi sympathizer that I totally support not doing business with him.
What I get frustrated by is justifying hurting the people that have his cars. Having a Tesla does not make one a Nazi sympathizer. You could maybe make the case that buying one today might, but even then I don’t think it’s justified attacking people for having a car.
If you want to be an extremist about it, hurt the dealerships and the company. Don’t go after people who are almost certainly not that different from you. The people keying cars just want to feel smugly superior to someone and feel morally justified for being an asshole, they don’t want to make anything better for anyone. If that’s how you act, you’re just a fascist with a slightly different ideology.
History doesn’t repeat itself, but it does rhyme. Musk isn’t a member of the Nazi party. He does hold a lot of important views in common with them, however. He also associates with people who fit most of the rest.
What percentage do you think is needed before calling someone a Nazi?
Saluting like a nazi is sufficient as far as I’m concerned.
I would personally add a small amount of slack for bad taste satire (we were all young idiots at some point), but basically agree. Any signs of the other points, and that slack is gone, however.
I was mostly curious if the OP was acting in bad faith, or a useful idiot that could be reasoned with.
yeah, no evidence other than spreading antisemitism on x and litterær fucking heiling /s
I legitimately didn’t know about that tweet. Can you share a source? I find a lot of articles but none of them quoting the content in full.
Fuck off with this sea-lioning bullshit. The Nazi salute and AFD promotion were international news.
Seriously, what are you getting out of this? It’s like arguing the sky isn’t blue.
Its to move the Overton window. It is clear the Elon gave a “Roman” Nazi salute. There are forces trying to control the narrative. Gaslight. Obstruct. Project.
Deny. Defend. Depose.
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No evidence, except for that the entire first paragraph of that page describes his exact behavior. No need to be a bootlicker
I guess you could say the same about Hitler, since he didn’t personally kill any jews. If killing jews isn’t a requirement then there is definetly evidence that musk is a neo-nazi
Seriously?
This is exactly what this polarizing title intended to do. Attract people like you who relativise the atrocities Hitler has done. Populism is a bitch and you’re falling right for it.
Just give me an informative article with normal title and stop filling Lemmy with all of this clickbaity populistic shit that helps nobody. I’m tired of it and tired of discussing it too.
Relatively speaking, Hitler was one of the worst people to ever live! And the richest man alive today idolizes him.
Imagine if Mansa Musa and Hitler teamed up! The world needs to not experience that!
Confusing title. How can a car be a Nazi?
Your just gonna piss your ignorance all over this thread, like an old incontinent weiner dog, aintcha?
I’m voicing my opinion about titles like that. They are posted here to invoke a reaction. 99% of commenters here haven’t read the article. The title is the whole reason why it’s posted.
You’re either deliberately obtuse, or simple reading comprehension is beyond you. Either way, waste of time explaining anything.
Tesla is a nazi-owned company.
That’s why you’re defending them.
Nazism, formally named National Socialism, is the far-right totalitarian socio-political ideology and practices associated with Adolf Hitler and the Nazi Party (NSDAP) in Germany.
You Americans need to stop using strong words you have no idea about. You can call him far-right douchebag.
Nazism, formally named National Socialism, is the far-right totalitarian socio-political ideology and practices associated with Adolf Hitler and the Nazi Party (NSDAP) in Germany.
elon and all his simps are nazis.
You can call him far-right douchebag.
I will continue calling him a nazi because that’s all he is. If it embarrasses you to have elon self-identify as a nazi by saluting like a nazi twice, good.
All you’re doing here is gatekeeping nazism. Gatekeeping your party.
If you took a handgun from a Nazi, wouldn’t that be a Nazi handgun?
I didn’t think they are saying the car chose to be a Nazi
That is a USA-style title. They love being loud and use strong words without understanding of their meaning. Cultural nuance.
Lolwut?
Starting every word with a high register letter is also a characteristic of this style.
And mostly used by Americans, American.
It’s literally used anywhere that uses a latin derived alphabet… and a ton of Cyrillic cultures use it…
Not sure about other alphabets.
No
The same way you have a nazi uniform.
The audacity calling me a Nazi. You don’t know anything about me. Rekativising the atrocities Hitler has done by using Nazism as a common term. You don’t know anything.
“you” was rhetorical. You do understand that someone can wear a Nazi uniform? That is no different than driving a nazi car.
Kicked dog hollers.
In the same sense that the kubelwagen was a nazi car. Now that I think about it, the kubelwagen kinda has similar lines to the cybertruck.
We all know what’s going to happen, Elon just going to get a “government contract”, where he can make it so that teslas will be the main vehicle manufacturer for government.
Fuck. What if Elon is just gonna start making weapons? Didn’t he flaunt a flamethrower for his lame company years ago?
Boring*
I hope so. Any one who signs up for trump’s military deserves to burst into flames
It is mental that a man worth billions in mostly electric car companyv shares is courting people who would run their cars on coal if they could.
A man who has made his billions on being essentially a corporate welfare queen.
Are you criticizing Musk or our government?
Why not both?
Musk, obviously. The man courting people who rage about “welfare queens” is himself the true welfare queen.
He sells a subscription-on-wheels. Any environment benefits are just gravy on top.
Ironically, the EV’s suck and are for commies crowd are now lauding Tesla as the best vehicle on the market
Musk aside, Tesla cars have always been pretty shoddy
It’s not ironic necessarily. It’s more the morons that hated EVs and Musk hated them because Trump did. Now that Trump loves them, they love them.
They’re just weak-minded easily manipulated sheep who hurt when they have to think for themselves and they’d rather be told what to think.
I believe this is the part where we get sued for not buying his cars.
Don’t give him any ideas!
I’m sure he already calls his lawyers every day at 3 AM while half blitzed on K to pitch exactly that
Like companies getting sued for not advertising on Twitter
That was the joke, yes
I think he would be relieved to get rid of Tesla if someone would buy it. The full self-driving promise was always a matter of interpretation, and the cars they build are more expensive symbols of status than practical products. Tesla can’t compete with global EV manufacturers, that’s a Damocles sword waiting to fall.
SpaceX is where the money is now, and all the electric innovation Tesla did can be used for something else.
Musk is getting $8 million each day from the US government to destroy the US government. He was given $44 billion to destroy Twitter. He’s not worried about money.
The full self-driving promise was always a matter of interpretation
There’s nothing to interpret. It does not fully drive itself.
Not safely anyway.
Fortunately for him, and unfortunately for us, he undoubtedly has full control over whichever department defines the word “safely”.
Only usable for federal highways, shit could still be banned by the DMVs or equivalents which would basically be a death knell for it.
@OutlierBlue @TeamAssimilation but it will next year, right? Let’s just ignore all those times it’s veered into the wrong lane or onto train tracks or whatever, it’s fine. Next year, next year, next year.
And Mars in a decade.
Starship was supposed to be doing trips to mars each year by last year. Instead it has sometimes managed to not explode on a suborbital trajectory. But of course regulations are what hold it back…
SpaceX turns the impossible into late
And he wonders why NASA turned him down for bringing those astronauts back…
Musk is neither a Tesla nor an Edison; he is a Barnum.
Tesla might have to go on welfare… by having the US government buy thousands upon thousands of Teslas. 🤮
Swasticars for a fascist government. Makes sense.
The popo using cybertrucks would really be the cherry on the techno-feudalist hellscape cake.
Isn’t a few cop-shops using Tesla cars now already?
I worry how the cars hold up to aggressive driving, after seeing how the truck was pwned so badly by whistlinDiesel .
And he actually likes Tesla
Just commit all your crimes in 3cm of snow and you can outrun the cybertruck police with a light jog.
Problem is that Trump is on the oil companies’ pay rolls. Unfortunately he’s subsidizing them instead of Tesla.
https://www.theverge.com/2025/1/22/24349650/trump-ev-tax-credit-tariff-congress
What?
Revenue [increased] 2% to $25.71 billion
Yes. Only 25.7 billion dollars. It’s practically dead.
Q4 2024 was before all the overt nazi shit.
But I agree that calling it dead is premature.
2%
It’s called inflation.
Pretty sure you’re focusing on the wrong number out of the two
Well VW is still around. Maybe Teslas will be classic cars in 80 years.
/s: They will all self immolate.
I checked on where Edsel prices have gone. They mostly match inflation. Not a worthwhile investment as a car that people are interested in decades later because it’s an infamous failure.
VWs never randomly caught fire. And also they don’t look like if Transformers could somehow breed, but had an abortion.
This.
And VWs were survivors, crossing the desert under air cooling and repairable usually with a pair of pliers and a screwdriver. The rear bumper can hold a grown man perched back there manually pulling the throttle if you bust the linkage … or, so I … hear.
I worry Teslas wouldn’t survive long enough to become classics. They don’t seem to be survivors.
/63+71+71super here.
I guarantee that in a few months, mark my words, he will not be in DOGE anymore, he will pivot to the Left, and SHE will come out as trans.
I would almost willingly put money on this.
Edit: Not sure why I"m being downvoted on this, I’m not saying “Elon’s bad so he must secretly be a leftist.”
I’m saying he’s transphobic in a “Methinks the Lady doeth protest too much way”, and that he has no loyalty to anyone or anything outside of what he thinks will get him attention. So if he is rejected by the Right, he’ll try to say he’s “Seen the light” and go to the Left.
Are we writing fan fiction for the government now?
I like how it follows the tradition of all fan fiction in being totally inconsistent with established personality traits.
Why would he do that? He has the closest thing to absolute power that existed since the independance of the US, without even getting elected and he would loose everything : the non-Nazis won’t forget what he did, and the Nazis won’t accept him.
Let me be more specific.
I think he will be kicked out of DOGE because of all the controversy and Trump’s own distaste for him. That between this and firing so many people who voted for Trump, Elon will become Persona Non Grata to the Right, pivot to the Left searching for some group willing to give him attention…
And in doing so, he will finally come out as trans… and be mercilessly mocked by the Right over it.
He will never find a group that accepts him (well her at this point), because we’ll still remember all the horrible things she did.
And sort of find herself in the same kind of limbo Caitlyn Jenner is in where Nazis hate her because she’s trans, and Non-Nazis hate her because she’s transphobic.
This is how I’m convinced Elon’s story will end. Just how I feel like this is going down.
Trump hired him in the first place so I don’t think he’s going to get kicked out because of Trump’s distaste. Trump doesn’t care about people he only cares about himself and Elon is useful to him.
If he gets kicked out it’ll be because he became a risk to Trump probably because he tried to take Trump on.
Trump has demenetia and is prone to undoing things he did, but blaming the initial thing he did that he now regrets on an outside party.
I can see what you’re saying, but at this point Elon is the most powerful person in the US, and certainly more powerful than any politician (even Trump).
I don’t think everyone realizes how unbelievably, dangerously rich Elon is. The dude is a moron, but he has enough money to buy out all of our politicians many many times over.
Sadly I didn’t take that into account…
Elon might have the world’s most kickable-dick, but his money spends just like anyone else’s. Only difference is he has a lot more of it, it’s his googolplex to our zilch and that’s not good. How’d he even get that rich, I know he had an Emerald Mine, but fuck was it a Chaos Emerald mine or some shit?
I just want to stop seeing a storm of them when I am on a road. I can’t seem to drive anywhere without seeing approximately 10 within a single hour.
