• @[email protected]
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    Canada is not part of Europe. The EU charter would require rewriting, and thats unlikely to happen.

    • spirinolas
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      63 months ago

      It only needs to have some of its territory in Europe. It would be funny giving them a square meter enclave in the middle of nowhere.

  • @[email protected]
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    253 months ago

    We need stronger ally relationships, considering things are going south with our Southern ally!

  • Cyborganism
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    913 months ago

    Capitalists are gonna have a meltdown when we’ll have to implement the 4 weeks minimum paid vacation, banked overtime with a yearly limit, bretter minimum wage, tougher regulations on food and environment protection. Etc.

    • acargitz
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      23 months ago

      Fun fact, Canadians can legislate these things on our own, without having to also adopt a whole bunch of European dysfunction.

      • Cyborganism
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        Not with the U.S. right next to us we can’t. Every time we push to have better conditions, companies start throwing a tantrum and threatening to move to the U.S. Then that throws the politicians into panic and they never implement anything. I don’t know if this tarif war or conflct with the U.S. is gonna change that.

        • @[email protected]
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          23 months ago

          Any company that moves to the states loses Canada and the EU as trading partners. I say let them leave, minimizing your customer base is very hot with the fascists right now

        • @[email protected]
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          33 months ago

          This makes the current moment perfect, because the US is not becoming more attractive to companies, in fact it’s discouraging new companies, only the absurdly big ones who are already established there have some chances of profiting from this chaos

      • @[email protected]
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        23 months ago

        Actually, it’s a prerequisite for getting into the European dysfunction.

        Why does everyone think it’s a binary choice somehow?

    • @[email protected]
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      253 months ago

      I’ll probably get called entitled, but even 3 weeks isn’t enough, and I know that’s more than many people get.

    • @[email protected]
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      Fucking worth the extra taxes. The EU isn’t perfect, but they’re still sane enough to back.

      • @[email protected]
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        I’ve always been an NDP voter but my anxiety about Cons winning might push a liberal vote from me this time. I don’t love it, but I am also just terrified.

        • Cyborganism
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          It’s a shame really. I’m not a fan of PP by any means. But he’s right when he says it’s going to be more of the same, i fear.

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            That is my fear. I don’t want more of the same. I want less immigration but neither party is running on that.

            • Victor Villas
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              I think the Liberals learned their lesson on immigration, hence the aggressive cuts recently

      • Cyborganism
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        I’m still voting NDP. We can still get a minority liberal government with a strong NDP coalition.

        • @[email protected]
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          23 months ago

          No. Unless they change a party ked by Singh is not getting my vote. I’m not even sure about the liberals yet we’ll have to see what he does so far not looking good. And cons are a no.

          • Cyborganism
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            Yeah… Just learned this week Carney has ties to Ghislaine Maxwell (or his wife rather). Jeffrey Epstein’s right hand.

            Isn’t it funny how all these rich elites all have ties to that motherfucker? I don’t want to be a conspiracy theorist, but man it’s getting difficult.

            Edit: Holy shit I got duped hard. Turns out it was all fake.

            https://factcheck.afp.com/doc.afp.com.36WP3BL

            • @[email protected]
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              This is the first I’ve heard of it. Can you share your source, please? I want to see it myself whether it’s reputable before I form an opinion.

              • Cyborganism
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                Hey thanks for making me look it up.

                I saw this on an Instagram story. But it turns out it’s all fake. Conservative media has been pushing it really hard. I could only find sources like the the Toronto Sun and True North.

                I got duped pretty bad there.

                I edited my comment with the fact check.

                https://factcheck.afp.com/doc.afp.com.36WP3BL

                • @[email protected]
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                  Wow, the Russian (probably) movement went hard on that one.

                  My respect to you for going back and checking it out.

  • acargitz
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    I don’t think Canada needs the Euro or the Stability and Growth Pact straightjacket. We also don’t need European xenophobic attitudes towards immigration.

    Let’s have a customs union, and let’s have closer integration and cooperation, but let’s keep our independence.

    Signed, a dual citizen.

    • Techsorcist
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      @theacharnian @Sunshine

      Yeah works for me.

      Membership of the #EU is a long term project with many intermediate steps. Some decided they are fine with a certain step and stay on it(Norway) some decided to get off completley(Iceland) and some decided to get out after they were in(UK). Though I admit brexit was, unnecessarily, bitter the rift is healing and we enjoy good relations with all.

      Tough I’d welcome Canada into the union I dont think either side fully grasp how deep and wideranging ascension would be. Regardless I’m perfectly fine with a customs union if thats what #Canada wants.

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        Well, Norway was at 52% Vs 48% back in '94. It’s changing, there was a big article on it today on nrk.no, so Norway might become an EU member soon.

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        I dont think either side fully grasp how deep and wideranging ascension would be

        Precisely. Canadians are currently experiencing whiplash from the American betrayal. While there is absolutely nothing wrong with strengthening ties, full fledged EU membership is a whole other rabbit hole that requires sober thought.

    • @[email protected]
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      73 months ago

      European xenophobic attitudes

      You know we’re not all like that, right?

      And Canada also has far-right nutjobs.

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        Yup. Like I said, I’m a dual citizen, and I’ve experienced being an immigrant in Canada and it’s nowhere near what immigrants back home experience. But of course, Europe also has strong left and left-of-centre traditions. It just so happens that right now, they’re mostly on the back foot.

      • acargitz
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        In absolute numbers, yes. As a percentage of the population, nowhere near.

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      Stability and Growth Pact

      So, here’s the Wikipedia on that. It sounds like it’s basically a way to make the Euro somewhat functional, which is ironic considering that’s the other thing you said to avoid.

      I wonder how we’d rank. We have the best fiscal situation in the G7 at the moment.

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    I’m not a fan of actions taken in haste but diversifying trading opportunities and providing mutual security really could be beneficial.

  • @[email protected]
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    83 months ago

    I’m all for closer ties with the EU but it doesn’t make sense to join the union due to simple geography.

    • @[email protected]
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      The criteria as set out in the treaties is to be “a European country”, what “European” means has been deliberately left open. Geography is at best a secondary factor.

    • Caveman
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      It’s not that far, it looks further on the map due to the map projection. A flight takes 6-7 hours from Ottowa to the UK and with the opening of the Bearing Strait sea lane it’ll become feasible to ship non-perishable goods from Canada to EU and back from both sides of the Canada.

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      If they can get some kind of special status like the UK had it would make sense, simply because there’s no tariffs inside EU borders and free travel and probably some other stuff.

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    Being a member of the European Economic Area is a more realistic goal and would probably solve Canada’s problems derived from being far too Economically entwinned with their next door neighbour.

    Mind you, any form of being part of the EU Single Market (which EEA members are without being EU members) requires a ton of uniformization of things like Product regulations (which amongst other things means Canada would not be allowed to import many if not most US food products such as for example beef of cattle which has been fed hormones) and acceptance of Freedom Of Movement for both people and goods.

    (Following Brexit, Britain did not move to become an EEA member exactly because of both the Freedom of Movement requirement and the difficulty in getting other EEA member approval since the UK are a disproportionatelly large economy compared to all EEA members but Canada’s reasons are different - not anti-immigration and xenophobia like the UK - so things like Freedom Of Movement would probably not be an issue and its Economy is just a bit over half the size of the UK’s)

  • Rob Bos
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    I think EU membership is a huge stretch, but we could certainly move in the direction of harmonizing with EU trade regulations. A good medium-term goal might be to join the Schengen trade zone, and then move on from there.

    • Caveman
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      It’s a nice idea but the EU needs to do a treaty reform to do that. There’ll also be a major issue with integrating since Canada is a part of NAFTA and will have to potentially produce labels and hold standards of both. There are probably some regulations that contradict each other somewhere.