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I dislike how the guy swooped in to save the day (again). I’m sure she was perfectly capable of ripping him a new one.
Sometimes we have to swoop in because we don’t want to see an absolute massacre, lol
Joe Rogan, Shapiro, and j Peterson is what you called pseudo-intellectuals
Shapiro and Peterson both have post graduate degrees. Peterson actually taught at a university level. They are intellectuals they are also just wrong about many of their opinions
Edit: I get hating benny shaps but this is easily verified
“…He then attended Harvard Law School, where he studied under liberal law professors Lani Guinier and Randall Kennedy.[10][11] In 2007, Shapiro graduated from Harvard with a Juris Doctor, cum laude.[12]”
Shapiro only has a B.A.
Peterson is fully qualified to talk on psychological markers for alcoholism, and a broad range of clinical psychology, and not much else.
They are both (educated) bullshit merchants, not intellectuals. Intellectuals are honest.except peterson because a pseodointellectual, when he decided to treat his benzo addiction, by going to russia and inducing a coma, which caused brain damage.
Exactly. Peterson taught psychology at a university (and even the quality of his lectures have been brought into question, but we’ll ignore that), and that somehow makes him an authority to talk about global warming and how all climate scientists are wrong because you can’t model something like that, it makes him an authority to talk about the nazis and how Hitler was actually guided by the people as he spoke only what they reacted positively to, he’s also an authority on economics when he says how the famine in the Soviet Union was caused by the communists killing all the smart and disciplined farmers, etc etc.
How can anyone seriously listen to a guy who said that women who complain about sexual harassment while wearing makeup are hypocrites is beyond me.
This is nice read on the topic: https://www.currentaffairs.org/news/2018/03/the-intellectual-we-deserve
Ben Shapiro has a JD. Like I said he’s educated. He’s just wrong about a lot of things
“He then attended Harvard Law School, where he studied under liberal law professors Lani Guinier and Randall Kennedy.[10][11] In 2007, Shapiro graduated from Harvard with a Juris Doctor, cum laude.[12]@
Meh, JD is an entry-level law qualification: “in Canada, it is considered a second-entry bachelor’s degree.” [Wikipedia] In any case, it’s a professional qualification, not an academic one.
That is absolutely incorrect. A JD is a juris doctorate and is considered a postgraduate degree in the United States. There are some places where law degrees are granted at the bachelor’s level, but not the US. You’re making the same mistake as the Rogan crowd here by looking at a surface level, single sentence from Wikipedia (which is referring to the Canadian system btw). The law degree itself is only “entry level” because JD holders have to pass a licensure exam (the "professional qualification) before they are allowed to be practicing attorneys. There are quite a few people who have law degrees, but don’t take the exam because they intend to use their law degrees in other ways.
The problem with this world is that a lot of people enjoy EVERYTHING on a surface level.
I keep getting reminded of my “gamer” years when I played league of legends. When I started, I was clueless and bad. And I found a YouTube channel which made fun educational videos.
Initially I learned a lot but over time, I realized how bad the advice was at times, which changed my consumption of the content. At the end, the content didn’t teach me anything and the suggestions of the creator seemed to be focused on messing with bad players and not actually playing good.
I started to watch better players and learned more from them.
To me, fans of these guys stopped at the first step. They want educational content but they don’t actually want to learn and so don’t actually think about the content and can’t outgrow it.
They grew up being told the answer and these guys specialize in telling people “the answer”. The issue is they are frequently providing the wrong answer.
To me the problem is content vs entertainment.
Joe Rogan has no content. He is not an expert, but somehow he is able to make the podcast, populated by morons, enjoyable by it’s audience. So if a person has to choose between Rogan, with a pseudoscientist in it, or a PhD, which is extremely prepared but does not know how to present his knowledge (either overcomplicated for the general masses, or plain boring), 90% of the people will watch Rogan.
Going to your LoL: the most successful streamers where not the best players, but the pros who manage to keep the chat entertained.
Another example are university professors: the most knowledgeable are usually not the best teachers, because knowing a subject and presenting it are two completely different skill sets.
That’s the sad reality of today online content
Rogan, Peterson (and probably even Shapiro, I dunno) do give good info or advice once in awhile, but it’s not anything that you couldn’t get somewhere else without all of the baggage.
I agree. E.g. Peterson published a self-help book that was successfully marketed to young man, unlike most self-help books. And most self-help books are very replacement and often kinda bad
Neuroscientists? They just pump people with drugs to keep them dumb.
Don’t trust them. If you want a brain doctor go to a psychologist.
Psychologist? They just pump your head full of ideas that there’s something wrong with you.
Don’t trust them. If you want a brain doctor go to an astrologist.
/s
I had to go see a neurologist to cure my headaches, not a psychiatrist. If it wasn’t for neuroscience, I’d still be having headaches 3-4 times a week.
Uhh, not sure if trolling or sarcasm, so.
Neuroscientists aren’t medics (not all, not even the majority). They can’t pump you full of anything. Furthermore, if a psychologist detects that you need medication, they will refer you to a psychiatrist to prescribe you drugs. They’re not to make you dumb, they’re to prevent you from hurting yourself and others, and improve mood and cognitive function.
They pump your brain full of dyes and blast it with radiation and magnets! All in service of their ideology (empericism)
Knowing how shit actually works instead of blindly following your patriarch, the biggest sin of all.
It’s unfortunate that this educated woman’s husband felt the need to speak for her when she is fully capable of speaking for herself.
You are a loser
I honestly don’t know. It would be completely justified if women flipped out more often.
I like her husband’s response, though.
Wait before you want “hysterical” women again please. Lots of doctors got their jollies off on “hysterical” women…
The “hysterical paroxysm” thing is mostly a myth. The book that brought that idea to the popular imagination was mostly bullshit.
which book?
Have you seen that Courtney Cox show, Shining Vale?
no.
Check it out - give it a second to settle in before judging.
“Did you just invoke ‘intellect’ and ‘Joe Rogan’ in the same breath?”
To be fair…
Joe Rogan has the intellect of a snail.
And yet, @[email protected] is correct - he’s still more of an intellectual than some of his guests.
that’s an insult to both joe rogan and the snail.
joe isn’t as quick as a snail, and joe’s a lot more slimy.
Joe Rogan is fairly intelligent compared to some of his guests
but then again, so is a bottle of lukewarm seltzer water.
I wish people would stop giving the Joe Rogans and Rush Limbaughs of the world more attention than they deserve. Debating whether they’re right or wrong about anything just gives them more legitimacy than they deserve. They’re a sideshow. They’re hucksters waving their hands and making noise to make a buck.
They’re hucksters waving their hands and making noise to make a buck.
Yup.
They’ve learned that doing outrageous things and pissing people off makes the line go up and so they’re going to keep doing that regardless of the consequences to discourse in society because it puts money in their pocket
Good for hubby.
Maybe surprisingly for you, many women are not able to restrain themselves from killing.
With that said, whenever anyone overgeneralizes, I know immediately they’re either willfully ignorant or just dumb, and any opinion they voice should simply be taken with a mountain of salt.
The violent crime rant leaning overwhelmingly male says otherwise
No, that’s flawed reasoning.
If someone says second hand smoke kills people, it doesn’t make them wrong simply because someone points out that car accidents kill more people.
Both things can be true
doctors can have really shit opinions too
the real message is: every opinion must be scrutinized heavily, if it stands scrutiny maybe there’s something there
Always remember: The vaccines cause autism bullshit was started by a fully licensed doctor.
Well he ain’t a fully licensed doctor no more.
And it took them 12 years to do it.
A fully-licensed doctor who, if I remember correctly, had invested in a company developing an alternative to the existing vaccinations.
Literally killing people for money.
It depends on what they’re talking about. I’ll listen to and generally heed a doctors medical opinion, for example. Their political opinion? Eh…
Joe Rogan, who has doesn’t have expertise in anything comparable to a doctors expertise in medicine, no way I’m talking anything he says at face value.
I wouldn’t trust a doctor’s opinion on medicine unless their PhD were in medicine. Most aren’t.
I don’t consider MDs to be doctors.
Reading your comments, I can’t tell if you are trolling us, or if you really are this tarded?
A Medical Doctor isn’t a doctor, in your eyes?
OK, genius.
That’s right. Physicians asked to have Doctor put in their names because they were tired of not being respected as much as real doctors, which is to say teachers.
You should look up what a PhD in Medicine is and how it’s not the same as an MD (Doctor of Medicine). Your user name couldn’t be further from the truth.
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I already know a PhD in medicine is different to an MD, that’s why I wrote a comment that says one’s a doctor and one isn’t. Read my comment until you understand it.
Both are doctors… There are also theology doctors, juridical doctors, and so on.
There is a difference between 1st and 3rd cycle doctorate though!
You said an MD is not a doctor. They are. They are literally a MEDICAL DOCTOR. A PhD in medicine is really only gained as a dual doctoral degree and will then be MD-PhD. It combines the Medical knowledge of an MD with the more research driven knowledge of a PhD.
In the Medical world an MD, is often called a physician. However Lemmy is not the medical world and for all intents and purposes a MD is a Doctor.
You saying MD is not a Doctor is just making you look stupid.
If a physician is qualified to teach at the highest academic level due to their research skills, I’ll call them a doctor. Otherwise, they’re just a physician. Putting in IVs and prescribing cold medicine doesn’t make you a doctor. Research skills make you a doctor.
Good luck with your accupuncture and herbal tea whenever your appendix explodes 🤣
I trust physicians on matters of medicine. I just don’t think they’re doctors.
I don’t think your username is a good fit for you.
In my experience doctors can have some of the absolute worst opinions. Especially highly educated speciality doctors who have spent 1/3 of their life doing nothing but studying their very specific field. Lawyers too.
I work in IT and they can be some of the worst users to work with.
Honestly this is true of many smart people in specialized professions
Infamously software developers are fucking knuckle dragging morons about anything that has nothing to do with what they’re good at, but they think they’re god kings and think the world works like a computer
The only hallmark of intelligence I subscribe to is when someone just acknowledges they don’t know everything and listen. Everyone else is doom spiraling into thought terminating patterns while thinking they’re right
I like to make the distinction between competence and intelligence. There are some overlaps, but they are mostly distinct.
Life is just a big design pattern. ☕︎☕︎
Specialists are experts in their field. Much like many of the IT people they fall into the trap of “Im smart because my job requires it so therefore every opinion I have is intelligent” and that simply isn’t how it really works.
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In a normal society, there would be high pressure against this kind of behavior, and people would need to be tested at least once a year to stay educated. You don’t really have free will if you can’t make rational choices.
Doctors and PhD’s are not necessarily intellectuals.
I’ll take things that never happened for 500 Alex
This reads like a shower argument I have when alone
The fact you don’t have any friends that would stand up for their wives like this is more an indictment of you and the company you keep
All of my friends would stand up for their wives. That’s a wild assumption you’re making
The fact you take things so personally speaks volumes about your life.
I’m not your dog, kick someone else dork
So why is it so unusual that somebody would stand up for theirs? Why is this a thing that doesn’t happen?
You said it doesn’t happen.
Bruh, you’re misunderstanding the point of my og comment. I wasn’t saying someone wouldn’t stand up for their partner. I was saying the entire argument sounds made up
Sorry you didn’t understand and think I beat my wife when she speaks, lmao grow up and touch some grass
The argument is, some dude insults a guys wife and then he stands up for her. And you said it “never happened”. How exactly are people going to interpret that?
Do you hear yourself??? Do you actually speak with real humans in real life? My dude or dudette just go away already
Yeah, usually people are accountable to their words, or speak and write with some intention.
So you are going to refuse to answer, how does what you said, make sense, in the context of the other thing you said.
If you don’t want to admit that it doesn’t, fine by me.
The whole sequence of events seems unlikely to have happened particularly if you’ve never been dragged to a company meeting by your spouse. Where people absolutely drink and forget not everyone wants to hear their political hot takes like ‘‘there were only disagreements when they started letting women vote’’. But my hard line stepping trigger personally is people smoking Marlboros. Like seriously. Smoke camels, or actually get 30 feet from the door. No one wants to smell that shit. Plus I have asthma.
Yeah on point
People are fucking obnoxious
This is a bit embarrassing maybe, but I have actually enjoyed listening to a couple of episodes of the Joe Rogan podcast. In the few episodes I have listened to he has been able to get some good conversations going.
One could easily and rightfully criticize him platforming a lot of his guests, but this is where it gets a bit tricky.
He gives a voice to people that has interesting things to say, that in some way contribute in society or contributes to a discussion, and people that are completely psychotic. The latter should not be platformed, both for their own good and society. Alex Jones was an example of that. Joe Rogan should have stopped that episode in its tracks, or not have aired it.
I stopped listening more as a sort of boycott, not because I could not find any sort of value in his episodes sometimes.
Edit: The reply is probably correct. Joe Rogan does tend to not be skeptical and does platform a lot of evil people as well. The people in his podcast rarely meets any real opposition from Joe.
He more often gives platforms to people who say nothing, and a whole lot of it that. He also tends to platform insane and downright evil people and lets them say whatever bullshit they want with zero questions, zero feedback, zero incredulity, thus making them look legitimate in the eyes of his followers.
He is a very dangerous man.
I stopped listening because a few of the doctors or scientists he has had on before. Rogan hadn’t read their book, didn’t know anything about them nor could be keep any sort of useful conversation going and I found other podcasts of actual smart people who can converse and have discourse with intellectuals and I can learn something. Jordan Harbinger is the best example of this.
