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I’ll take things that never happened for 500 Alex
This reads like a shower argument I have when alone
The fact you don’t have any friends that would stand up for their wives like this is more an indictment of you and the company you keep
All of my friends would stand up for their wives. That’s a wild assumption you’re making
The fact you take things so personally speaks volumes about your life.
I’m not your dog, kick someone else dork
So why is it so unusual that somebody would stand up for theirs? Why is this a thing that doesn’t happen?
You said it doesn’t happen.
The whole sequence of events seems unlikely to have happened particularly if you’ve never been dragged to a company meeting by your spouse. Where people absolutely drink and forget not everyone wants to hear their political hot takes like ‘‘there were only disagreements when they started letting women vote’’. But my hard line stepping trigger personally is people smoking Marlboros. Like seriously. Smoke camels, or actually get 30 feet from the door. No one wants to smell that shit. Plus I have asthma.
Yeah on point
People are fucking obnoxious
Bruh, you’re misunderstanding the point of my og comment. I wasn’t saying someone wouldn’t stand up for their partner. I was saying the entire argument sounds made up
Sorry you didn’t understand and think I beat my wife when she speaks, lmao grow up and touch some grass
The argument is, some dude insults a guys wife and then he stands up for her. And you said it “never happened”. How exactly are people going to interpret that?
Do you hear yourself??? Do you actually speak with real humans in real life? My dude or dudette just go away already
Yeah, usually people are accountable to their words, or speak and write with some intention.
So you are going to refuse to answer, how does what you said, make sense, in the context of the other thing you said.
If you don’t want to admit that it doesn’t, fine by me.
It’s unfortunate that this educated woman’s husband felt the need to speak for her when she is fully capable of speaking for herself.
You are a loser
There is nothing admirable about letting a fascist rant about hate and nonsense, while the ape of a host goes “never thought of it that way, interesting” while legitimizing the nonsense
Well-spokenness does not equate to truthiness.
“Did you just invoke ‘intellect’ and ‘Joe Rogan’ in the same breath?”
Joe Rogan is fairly intelligent compared to some of his guests
but then again, so is a bottle of lukewarm seltzer water.
Joe Rogan has the intellect of a snail.
that’s an insult to both joe rogan and the snail.
joe isn’t as quick as a snail, and joe’s a lot more slimy.
And yet, @[email protected] is correct - he’s still more of an intellectual than some of his guests.
To be fair…
I wish people would stop giving the Joe Rogans and Rush Limbaughs of the world more attention than they deserve. Debating whether they’re right or wrong about anything just gives them more legitimacy than they deserve. They’re a sideshow. They’re hucksters waving their hands and making noise to make a buck.
They’re hucksters waving their hands and making noise to make a buck.
Yup.
They’ve learned that doing outrageous things and pissing people off makes the line go up and so they’re going to keep doing that regardless of the consequences to discourse in society because it puts money in their pocket
get me the clip of Joseph yelling at a primate scientist because she corrected him
Better than using his clip, here’s her describing it in her own words
Hmm I bet male accidental deaths decreased because of divorced
Sorry, but this is a bit too much of #thathappened for me.
ThatHappened is a flat circle. Sometimes things are so conveniently contrived looking that they did really happen. Truth is stranger than fiction.
The most believable part is that is what a Rogen fan would say.
Dunno. I presume something close to the second part happened, too. A Neuroscience PhD would not likely marry an imbecile.
People using the word “intellect” in the same sentence as rogan makes the first part quite unbelievable too. Also, in my experience, people also refer to themselves as PhDs or physicians, because saying “doctor” outside of formally addressing one doesn’t reveal anything about what the person actually does other than their ““intellect””.
The husband quote is what I (husband of wife with masters degree), would have thought to say in the car on the way home.
Maybe. But i’ve never actually met or talked to anyone that says shit like that. Do you guys discuss podcasts like this with friends, or even worse, randoms? It’s like taking about some reality show or something, who cares what an idiot has to say about a subject. It boggles my mind.
This kind of wordvomit has to be related to close to 2 decades of 140 character limit “discussions” online. I never understood why anyone would want twitter, and i get a greater feeling of justification in my belief for every day that passes.
Sometimes you’re in a social gathering that’s polite and one guy invited has a bug up his ass. Like, I have a guy in my social group who keeps joking that women are going to get forced to get pregnant. All the men in the group now vocally tell him it’s not funny. He’s not even weird in other ways that are noticeable.
I’ve also met full gown men who still love Rogan and believe the sentiment of the post. They are often kind of close minded and dumb.
Just be really grateful you haven’t had the misfortune to run into these members of society haha
(I agree with your sentiment about twitter. I never saw the draw)
I’ve typed sentences like that in the past in online
shouting matchesdiscussions, does that count?Also, yes, I discuss podcasts with friends and coworkers.
And then sometimes rogan or täte can come up, if said coworker “hates Mondays” (to use a term from Innuendo Studios excellent YouTube series on the Alt Right Playbook)
maybe it’s less of a flat circle and more of a downward spiral… or maybe things are just getting more and more stupid every day… or maybe it’s a cyclical decline… or maybe THE PRESIDENT IS SELLING CARS AT THE WHITE HOUSE
Come on down to Crazy Donnie’s and get yourself a Tesler!
god help us all that picture of him holding the fucking prices and features & benefits on his notes
someone else said it was like watching Billy Mays and the Shamwow guy on a bit less drugs. i thought that was pretty apt.
Everyone clapped. It was awesome. Completely owned the guy.
yup. story’s total bullshit.
“And then everyone around us stood up and clapped at my husband’s response.”
I believe the first part. I dont believe the quick and clean comeback.
I do. Because it’s not the first time that someone talked down to his doctor wife, and it won’t be the last.
I’m sure the first time he said nothing, but by the fifteenth time, you get good at it.
Yeah, my wife has a higher level of education than me, and I get it.
Fair point honestly, i can see it.
I hate to say this, but this is one of the most Reddit flavoured “thathappened” posts I’ve seen on lemmy
One negative thing about Reddit’s slow downfall is that all the same shitty actors will start to come over here and employ their same old boring karma farming tactics. Hopefully the way lemmy is federated keeps things from getting too shitty. Reddit’s corporate overlords are getting more and more controlling. On lemmy, at least for now, you can just hop instances if you start getting cranky.
Idk, the US is currently run by a Nazi admirer who is famous for bankrupting businesses, yet hosted a celebrity reality TV series about running a business, and while being a known adulterer is somehow generally supported by Christians in the country.
That doesn’t even begin to get into the DOGE shit show… Reality right now is a massive #thathappened
My best friend’s uncle’s ex girlfriend was there and she said everyone clapped as well.
The husband? Albert Einstein.
Thanks for apologizing
Joe Rogan, Shapiro, and j Peterson is what you called pseudo-intellectuals
The problem with this world is that a lot of people enjoy EVERYTHING on a surface level.
I keep getting reminded of my “gamer” years when I played league of legends. When I started, I was clueless and bad. And I found a YouTube channel which made fun educational videos.
Initially I learned a lot but over time, I realized how bad the advice was at times, which changed my consumption of the content. At the end, the content didn’t teach me anything and the suggestions of the creator seemed to be focused on messing with bad players and not actually playing good.
I started to watch better players and learned more from them.
To me, fans of these guys stopped at the first step. They want educational content but they don’t actually want to learn and so don’t actually think about the content and can’t outgrow it.
To me the problem is content vs entertainment.
Joe Rogan has no content. He is not an expert, but somehow he is able to make the podcast, populated by morons, enjoyable by it’s audience. So if a person has to choose between Rogan, with a pseudoscientist in it, or a PhD, which is extremely prepared but does not know how to present his knowledge (either overcomplicated for the general masses, or plain boring), 90% of the people will watch Rogan.
Going to your LoL: the most successful streamers where not the best players, but the pros who manage to keep the chat entertained.
Another example are university professors: the most knowledgeable are usually not the best teachers, because knowing a subject and presenting it are two completely different skill sets.
That’s the sad reality of today online content
Rogan, Peterson (and probably even Shapiro, I dunno) do give good info or advice once in awhile, but it’s not anything that you couldn’t get somewhere else without all of the baggage.
I agree. E.g. Peterson published a self-help book that was successfully marketed to young man, unlike most self-help books. And most self-help books are very replacement and often kinda bad
They grew up being told the answer and these guys specialize in telling people “the answer”. The issue is they are frequently providing the wrong answer.
Shapiro and Peterson both have post graduate degrees. Peterson actually taught at a university level. They are intellectuals they are also just wrong about many of their opinions
Edit: I get hating benny shaps but this is easily verified
“…He then attended Harvard Law School, where he studied under liberal law professors Lani Guinier and Randall Kennedy.[10][11] In 2007, Shapiro graduated from Harvard with a Juris Doctor, cum laude.[12]”
Shapiro only has a B.A.
Peterson is fully qualified to talk on psychological markers for alcoholism, and a broad range of clinical psychology, and not much else.
They are both (educated) bullshit merchants, not intellectuals. Intellectuals are honest.except peterson because a pseodointellectual, when he decided to treat his benzo addiction, by going to russia and inducing a coma, which caused brain damage.
Exactly. Peterson taught psychology at a university (and even the quality of his lectures have been brought into question, but we’ll ignore that), and that somehow makes him an authority to talk about global warming and how all climate scientists are wrong because you can’t model something like that, it makes him an authority to talk about the nazis and how Hitler was actually guided by the people as he spoke only what they reacted positively to, he’s also an authority on economics when he says how the famine in the Soviet Union was caused by the communists killing all the smart and disciplined farmers, etc etc.
How can anyone seriously listen to a guy who said that women who complain about sexual harassment while wearing makeup are hypocrites is beyond me.
This is nice read on the topic: https://www.currentaffairs.org/news/2018/03/the-intellectual-we-deserve
Ben Shapiro has a JD. Like I said he’s educated. He’s just wrong about a lot of things
“He then attended Harvard Law School, where he studied under liberal law professors Lani Guinier and Randall Kennedy.[10][11] In 2007, Shapiro graduated from Harvard with a Juris Doctor, cum laude.[12]@
Meh, JD is an entry-level law qualification: “in Canada, it is considered a second-entry bachelor’s degree.” [Wikipedia] In any case, it’s a professional qualification, not an academic one.
That is absolutely incorrect. A JD is a juris doctorate and is considered a postgraduate degree in the United States. There are some places where law degrees are granted at the bachelor’s level, but not the US. You’re making the same mistake as the Rogan crowd here by looking at a surface level, single sentence from Wikipedia (which is referring to the Canadian system btw). The law degree itself is only “entry level” because JD holders have to pass a licensure exam (the "professional qualification) before they are allowed to be practicing attorneys. There are quite a few people who have law degrees, but don’t take the exam because they intend to use their law degrees in other ways.
doctors can have really shit opinions too
the real message is: every opinion must be scrutinized heavily, if it stands scrutiny maybe there’s something there
It depends on what they’re talking about. I’ll listen to and generally heed a doctors medical opinion, for example. Their political opinion? Eh…
Joe Rogan, who has doesn’t have expertise in anything comparable to a doctors expertise in medicine, no way I’m talking anything he says at face value.
I wouldn’t trust a doctor’s opinion on medicine unless their PhD were in medicine. Most aren’t.
I don’t consider MDs to be doctors.
Good luck with your accupuncture and herbal tea whenever your appendix explodes 🤣
I trust physicians on matters of medicine. I just don’t think they’re doctors.
I don’t think your username is a good fit for you.
You should look up what a PhD in Medicine is and how it’s not the same as an MD (Doctor of Medicine). Your user name couldn’t be further from the truth.
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I already know a PhD in medicine is different to an MD, that’s why I wrote a comment that says one’s a doctor and one isn’t. Read my comment until you understand it.
You said an MD is not a doctor. They are. They are literally a MEDICAL DOCTOR. A PhD in medicine is really only gained as a dual doctoral degree and will then be MD-PhD. It combines the Medical knowledge of an MD with the more research driven knowledge of a PhD.
In the Medical world an MD, is often called a physician. However Lemmy is not the medical world and for all intents and purposes a MD is a Doctor.
You saying MD is not a Doctor is just making you look stupid.
If a physician is qualified to teach at the highest academic level due to their research skills, I’ll call them a doctor. Otherwise, they’re just a physician. Putting in IVs and prescribing cold medicine doesn’t make you a doctor. Research skills make you a doctor.
Both are doctors… There are also theology doctors, juridical doctors, and so on.
There is a difference between 1st and 3rd cycle doctorate though!
A Medical Doctor isn’t a doctor, in your eyes?
OK, genius.
That’s right. Physicians asked to have Doctor put in their names because they were tired of not being respected as much as real doctors, which is to say teachers.
Reading your comments, I can’t tell if you are trolling us, or if you really are this tarded?
Always remember: The vaccines cause autism bullshit was started by a fully licensed doctor.
Well he ain’t a fully licensed doctor no more.
And it took them 12 years to do it.
A fully-licensed doctor who, if I remember correctly, had invested in a company developing an alternative to the existing vaccinations.
Literally killing people for money.
In my experience doctors can have some of the absolute worst opinions. Especially highly educated speciality doctors who have spent 1/3 of their life doing nothing but studying their very specific field. Lawyers too.
I work in IT and they can be some of the worst users to work with.
Specialists are experts in their field. Much like many of the IT people they fall into the trap of “Im smart because my job requires it so therefore every opinion I have is intelligent” and that simply isn’t how it really works.
Honestly this is true of many smart people in specialized professions
Infamously software developers are fucking knuckle dragging morons about anything that has nothing to do with what they’re good at, but they think they’re god kings and think the world works like a computer
The only hallmark of intelligence I subscribe to is when someone just acknowledges they don’t know everything and listen. Everyone else is doom spiraling into thought terminating patterns while thinking they’re right
I like to make the distinction between competence and intelligence. There are some overlaps, but they are mostly distinct.
Life is just a big design pattern. ☕︎☕︎
Joe Rogan is a caveman, but I hate this mentality.
I’ve had a ton of horrible experiences with doctors. Misdiagnosis, given bad medication, bad medical advice, etc. A common trait all of them had extreme arrogance. They all thought they had all the answers, and that modern medicine was infallible.
If you had an issue they couldn’t put a clear label on fairly quick or weren’t responding to treatment in a textbook way, then that was somehow your fault. Either you were lying, or exaggerating, or it was all just in your head.
I’m not alone in this experience. Basically every American with any sort of complex health issues has had a bad experience at the hands of someone who claims to be an expert. That’s on top of the medical establishment letting bad medicine go on for years, because they are extremely reluctant to admit they don’t have all the answers.
Obviously, none of that makes Joe Rogan any sort of intellectual or trusted authority on anything except bro science. How you can’t expect people to have unflinching trust in doctors when doctors let people down so often.
Yeah, doctors aren’t perfect. Does that mean that my doctor, who says that you should get vaccinated, is on equal footing with RFK Jr., who says you shouldn’t? No.
I don’t have “unflinching trust” in anybody, but I’d trust a board-certified doctor before I trusted somebody like RFK Jr.
Doctors sadly are drilled to produce results in an industrial manner. Strange edge cases are relegated to research, but if a doctor has to work off many patients, a patient who needs thought or patience is just irritating.
Doctors sadly are drilled to produce results
Really? How?
Hospitals are profit oriented. More patients per doctor in less time is more profit.
Sounds like we need to rethink how we educate doctors - considering we need more.
I gave up on getting tested for ADHD. They would not even run the tests! I don’t really care if I have it, I just want to be sure, so I know what to do about whatever is wrong with me.
I’m sorry to hear that! My PCP referred me to testing based on a very short conversation and ultimately just because I wanted to be tested and know. I hope you can find a better doctor!
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I think any of us who have worked in academia can say something very similar about the other kind of doctor. I do feel like it may be a situation where it’s just that the more vocal ones are ruining it for everyone, but we’re getting heavy into anecdotal data at that point.
It sucks, but the anti intellectual crowd does legitimately have a lot of places to point some fingers.
I think on this particular example, the focus was less on the medical doctor aspect and more on the PhD. The woman has achieved the pinnacle of institutional knowledge in her field by fostering her intellect while dog breath across the table talks down to her about muscly podcast man who told everyone to take horse dewormer for COVID.
I agree using “doctor” as an indicator of intellect can fall short, I think that is tangential to the point her husband was making. Also, good husband stepping up to bat when the coworker starts mansplaining to his wife…
Seriously though. I don’t think I’ve actually been helped after having gone to the doctor my entire life (I’m 24 for reference).
So, you’re 24 years old and healthy? Color me shocked.
What would you do, say, if you broke your leg? Would you go to a doctor? Do you think that they’d be able to help you?
While hilarious…that’s what’s breed the rise of the shit show of anti-science. We can’t just call morons morons anymore. They go back to truth social, find all the other morons and pretend like they know better.
We need to be better at explaining to people what their education equates to. If you stopped taking hard sciences when you graduated high school you don’t have a good to great understanding of those subjects rather you have the absolute basic understanding.
I learned a lot of great scientific facts and rules in high school. I could predict things that would happen in the real world, like a projectile’s motion or a chemical reaction.
But it was in college, and media that I sought for myself, where I learned about how research is done, how important it is to prevent the million distant cognitive biases we have including subconscious ones, and basically HOW we even determine what is objective truth in the first place.
There aren’t simple “f=ma” equations for that shit. It is all complex messy human activity that requires oversight and continuous improvement forever.
What about me I’m not educated technically to anything beyond high school level education and even I understand that the Earth isn’t flat, time dilation is a thing, an atom doesn’t look like a small solar system, and perpetual motion machines are impossible.
Mostly because I actually paid attention in science class.
Also if the Earth wasn’t one centimeter closer to the sun we wouldn’t all burn up, but that’s based on simple observation that small hills exist.
The key is not to be intentionally ignorant. These people aren’t stupid because they’re uninformed, they are stupid by choice.
And I would argue that you still have the basics of a science if you stopped with high school. I hit the 200/300 levels for biology in college. I have a degree in poli sci and international relations. I have slightly beyond an entry level grasp of biology and a basic grasp of chemistry because that did stop with high school. if you asked me how to prove most of what I understand to be true about chemistry I could not because my level of expertise isn’t that deep.
We have a lot of people in America who think basic/entry level = a good grasp of science.
I cringed
I honestly don’t know. It would be completely justified if women flipped out more often.
I like her husband’s response, though.
Wait before you want “hysterical” women again please. Lots of doctors got their jollies off on “hysterical” women…
Have you seen that Courtney Cox show, Shining Vale?
no.
Check it out - give it a second to settle in before judging.
The “hysterical paroxysm” thing is mostly a myth. The book that brought that idea to the popular imagination was mostly bullshit.
which book?
