Wow. Everyone involved in this conflict is absolutely awful.
civilians are the most involved in this conflict. don’t see how they’re absolutely awful
In this context, “being involved” means actively taking part, not merely being in the area.
I think being genocided counts as being involved. It seems kind of disgusting to suggest otherwise.
Hamas came to power after winning an election in 2006. Palestinian civilians are involved in Hamas in the same way American civilians are involved in Trump - not completely responsible, but certainly not completely innocent.
Indeed and after Hamas won the election instead of the Israeli backed PA, Israel imposed an illegal blockade on Gaza forcing Palestinians to fight back.
It was not Hamas who brought poverty and starvation upon Palestinians. It was Israel.
Hamas came to power after winning an election in 2006.
And that election happened in a complete vacuum… No need to add context to why Palestinians in 06’ would be voting for Hamas.
Also 2006 was nearly 20 years ago, the vast majority of the people who voted for Hamas are dead or have migrated away. 50% of the population in Gaza are under 18.
They won a slim majority (popular vote) in 2006 and then swiftly culled Fatah (and PA) opposition and killed a bunch of journalists too. They haven’t had elections since, and a significant portion of the people in Gaza are under 18 years of age… so no they didn’t ask for it.
They also didn’t ask to get forced into the concentration camp that is the Gaza Strip by the Israeli state, Plan Dalet, and the Haganah. If you read the history of Palestine > British Mandate > Israel, it shouldn’t be a surprise that there’s a desperate resistance that formed, horrific actions aside.
Adding links:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plan_Dalet
I’m very aware of the history.
Trump won by a slim margin too, and is currently seizing control. If the US doesn’t have an election in the next 15 years, do the American people have zero responsibility for what its future government might do?
Zero responsibility, no; many did vote for him , but significantly more didn’t. If you want to hunt down the people who voted for him, sure, but I voted against him in every election knowing something like this would happen, and I’m not responsible for it. The same can be said of a significant amount of Americans. To lump us all together would be like bombing a hospital full of innocent victims to get at some members of Hamas.
People are really just gonna “No that’s not what he meant all the way to the gulags.” Hope they enjoy leopards.
I don’t think people are being genocided by leopards. Is that some lib conspiracy?
They’re being murdered by bombs supplied by the USA under every administration.
Critical thought and reason Zero for you.
“Hitler was just a poor misunderstood guy, give him a chance, don’t make a big deal out of this Poland”
I think this is just a case of NYT WANTING a Palestinian genocide so they’re more than willing to sanitize the message and promote pro-genocide propaganda.
The real hamas were the gazans killed along the way
“Follow me and you’ll have a beautiful paradise…don’t, and there will be pain and torture”.
Paraphrased, albeit slightly…but I’m sure I’ve heard this offer before somewhere. I’ve checked my forehead, chest, and both nipples…but can’t find it.
Best comment I’ve seen on Lemmy. Maybe you’ll find it under your small domed hat or between your elbows when on your rug as well?
Weren’t the hostages all returned when the ceasefire went into effect?
During phase one all Israeli non combatants were released.
All the remaining captives Hamas has are active duty IDF soldiers. So media still using the word “hostages” instead of “prisoners of war” is strange in itself.
I’m having trouble finding a great source confirming or denying what you say, but this article cites several remaining hostages are not active military https://www.timesofisrael.com/the-next-24-these-are-the-remaining-hostages-presumed-alive-in-gaza/
What about the non-Israeli hostages?
Do you mean the thousands of palestinians being held in torture camps? Many of them women and children?
Some of them will be released but their families won’t be allowed to celebrate, their physical condition will not be reported by imperial media, their role as hostages won’t be acknowledged, etc etc etc.
All the Thai workers were released during phase one if you mean those.
Fuck NYT. I’ve lost all respect with their bs reporting on the genocide.
You should have seen them in the lead up to Iraq invasion. They’ve been training for years for this moment.
Yeah, I was completely tuned out at that point. I stopped viewing any current events because the world was so terrible and I was so depressed about it. Funny that it’s so much worse now and I’m still plugged in. I guess that’s what happens with age and experience. You get worn down to awful news.
“NYT is just publishing straight misinformation now” Wow… is that an understatement
NYT has always been imperial propaganda. It’s just become so much more obvious with their screeching support for genocide.
Imagine taking this rag seriously as anything other than disgusting propaganda.
The NYT is a piece of shit.
That said, I’d like someone from the lemmygrad crowd to explain why Harris was definitively for sure was gonna be worse than this. I’m being serious. Elucidate specifically how Harris would have been materially worse for Palestinians in general, and Gaza (and now the West Bank) in particular.
Anyone that said that she would be worse is still going to say the same no matter what Trump does. He could personally go over there and start feasting on their flesh and she would still be lacking in the two things they care about most: she is not a man, she is not white. And they know how fucked up that is. Which is why they always claim that their excuse is something else.
