Devils advocate time: Windows does this because users are stupid and will never update their PCs if they don’t have to. I’ve met too many people who never update their tech. Operating systems and the software they run is far too complex to be 100% secure so we mitigate that by updates. They are a necessity. The vulnerability responsible for EternalBlue was patched and pushed with a windows update before the ransomware attack, how many users ignored it? Windows is so annoying with its updates because it has to be.
I know I’m not awake because I read your first line as “Devils advocate time”, as in "Devils argue in support of time itself. "
I’ll have to discuss this with the time-being.
if you always shut it down, when it has an update it’ll force you to update and shut down. but people don’t like shutting down their pcs for some reason so yeah ur right
Windows user who turned that shit on within an hour of installing the OS:
I’m bottom even when I used windows because I turn it the hell off when I’m not using my computer.
Yes. Same with my TV and everything.
isn’t the joke in the bottom that the pc and you are both sleeping tho
I agree with some comments here, hibernation/suspension has been tricky, I’ve always had minor bugs and like kinda major, screen… lines? popping up and just not even working sometimes, welp. I suppose it’s better knowing what’s breaking than wrestling control between you and microsoft…
Mine just doesn’t suspend/hibernate at all. Probably some dependency not installed, but I’m not assed to find out which one
Yeah I think it’s going to show up in some log what exactly is causing that but I usually search what I’m supposed to do so… do that if you have time I guess
My PC does this really annoying thing, whenever I tell it to Install and Shut Down the bloody thing restarts every time
That’s because the shutdown hardly exists anymore. When you choose shutdown now it just hibernates. Reboot is the only way to get the full refresh of a shutdown unless you’re using CMD.
So I dualboot and each time i shuts down, i get boot menu. Are you telling me that is not shutdown in windows?
🤭and sometimes, if you wake your linux things go to shit and all you see is black screen and white mouse on it
Sometimes super+ctrl+alt+F8 saves me and I can restart PC from TTY, and sometimes, there is only a flashing cursor. In second case, I have to take hard measures and forcefully manually restart it
(Yes nvidia card with latest proprietary driver and kde on wayland) -> everything latest meaning from endeavour/arch/aur repos.
Not every Nvidia but always Nvidia.
Maybe it is kinda a bias since nvidia is easy to blame and is existing in most PCs 🤔
All my hybernation issues went away after i switched to an AMD GPU. Not evidence in itself, just an experience an opinion.
I like how you corrected opinion to experience 😃👌🏻
And yes, I would call that an evidence, not a proof but clearly an evidence, especially if you did not change anything else (hardware or start from scratch setting up Linux distribution).
AMD had a problems with hibernation, too. amdgpu driver sometimes crashed on waking up. Problems disappeared about a year ago.
Well i switched somewhat around that time. Guess i was lucky.
Nope. My Linux Mint randomly wakes up from sleep mode all the time. It’s just a bug. Tried to fix it, never found solution. I guess I am fine with it. Well. Not really. Help me if you can!!11!!
Put chrome on it, that should fix it
My first guess world be unplug your mouse and keyboard and see if it still happens. Your mouse or keyboard could be sending phantom inputs sometimes. If it’s a laptop maybe not though or you’d have to test it another way at least. But it’s the first thing I’d do.
Apparently you can see which devices can wake your PC with
cat /proc/acpi/wakeup. S3 should be sleep and S4 hibernation. Though I have no idea which device is which.Lspci and lsusb will help you match up with the list
Thank you guys! Lemmy is great!
Wow, that being a thing sounds surreal Oo
this meme is especially true for students and the likes 😂 whenever you share a one-room flat with a laptop made by clueless techbros for clueless techbros, the increased fan whirring really shines.
STOP TALKING ABOUR WINDOWS!! STOP TALKING ABOUT WINDOWS!!! IM BORED
oOooOooOo 🪟
What I really like about Linux (Mint) is the automation of updates. I had a similar feature enabled on Windows (10), but I still had to install most of it manually. With Linux (Mint) the automation works wonderfully and I have no stress. Another reason not to go back to Windows.
I had to spend an annoying amount of time finding all of the settings to make it so that my windows machine would never wake up on its own, spread out over an even longer period of time because some of them aren’t easy to trigger on my own so it was a matter of trying something and then trying more things if I find it awake on its own again.
Even disabling the wake on mouse movement was a pain because it doesn’t properly label mice and keyboards and doesn’t have a global setting. I wanted to keep wake on keyboard but not have it wake if my mouse moved a nm because a butterfly flapped its wings too vigorously as it flew by the closed window.
After I installed Linux, I went to do the same thing there only to find it already had sensible defaults set.
Ugh, the updates…my work PC is Win 11, I got an email from IT last night telling me I had to install the latest update I had been putting off. This morning after I clocked out I started the update. I have 500 down and it took almost 2 hours to download and 3 hours later the installation is only at 53%. I’m just going to go to bed and hope it’s done by the time I have to clock in tonight.
And my coworkers wonder why I prefer Linux…
This would have to be enabled on the Motherboard or something because Hibernate is essentially a shutdown with the RAM saved into the Hard Drive, unless they’ve changed that.
Its called “modern standby” or something, and is the main option for suspending windows laptops I believe
Most modern mainboards don’t even support ACPI S3/S4 anymore. The ACPI spec is pretty badly written and most implementations were flaky in some way. So when ACPI S0ix (aka Modern Standby) came around the old states were essentially abandoned.
Of course S0ix is less a hibernation and more kindly asking the OS to turn off the screen and consider using fewer resources.
Another day of learning about Linux from the comments under a meme.
