Hey look, the media blaming drugs for stupid people doing stupid shit.
This isn’t the ketamine. He would probably be even worse without it.
Ketamine, like any drug, should be thoroughly researched. Whether good, bad, or mixed, the knowledge would be useful.
In any case, I think that being wealthy is the most dangerous drug of all. It frees you from the consequences of your actions. Being invulnerable from society, prevents you from knowing what it means to be harmed. It is why rich folks tend to be assholes, since they don’t understand the reality of being human. They are more akin to space aliens or dragons.
…at this point, excessive wealth is something I believe to be a drug that harms society, not individuals.
There’s an insane amount of research into ketamine. That’s why they literally use it regularly to sedate children.
It’s very safe and well tolerated. This shit isn’t about ketamine.
There’s a big difference between anesthetic use and recreational abuse tho.
There isn’t much study on recreational abuse and the few that exist are very damning, from neurotoxicity to straight up brain lacerations. Of course this needs more studying but theres very real chance K abuse has real damage.
I think it’s important to quantify what “recreational abuse” means, because the drug itself is pretty self-limiting in that you will k-hole and be unable to take more (unless administered to you like Matthew Perry) for at least an hour.
It’s more about frequency, and there’s a huge gradient between recreational use, and abuse… But yes, I think it should be self-evident that it can be harmful if you have a psychological addiction and believe you cannot function without it. It can fuck up your bladder, that’s for certain, and I wouldn’t be surprised at all if abuse at a high enough level could cause brain lesions or whatever (though I haven’t looked into this in years, last time I did, the research was far from conclusive).
I suppose it’s possible that Musk has brain lesions or whatever, from ketamine use, but it seems pretty unlikely. The behavior he is showing is not the type of behavior that is ever attributed to ketamine, and anyone who’s taken it could tell you that.
Ketamine, like any drug, should be thoroughly researched.
Hey man, go easy on him. He’s researching it as hard as he can, while balancing other responsibilities, like running DOGE. Have you ever tried working for the federal government with a cranium full of ketamine? It’s not as easy as he makes it look.
He balances ketamine with cocaine and alcohol
It’s not drugs, he’s just a douche
Could be both
Drug fuelled douche
Totally
I’m currently taking 80mg ketamine troches and can verify that I am not a sociopathic Nazi.
I have a lot of ketamine users in my town and many highly functioning ones and it’s very clear that the drug has long tail disassociative effects. They are so disconnected and zombie like despite seemingly functional.
I say this as a psychonaut myself - long term K use is pretty scary but people are afraid to shit on K because if not abused it’s seems to have a lot of powerful positive effects on many.
My mother had to take it for a nerve condition and it fucked her up. Ruined parts of her nervous system and she required physical therapy to be able to grasp objects again.
She has now been in several car accidents since cause she goes into hazes and acts differently. I’m not sure it has good side effects other than being an incredibly strong tranquilizer and disassociative.
Lots of drugs are considered highly by their users but this one seems to have some pretty rough sides to make it sound at all positive to me.Life is literally an exercise in balance and homeostasis. Too much of anything is almost always bad in the long term.
when you get the message, hang up the phone
Yeah I mean, water and oxygen can both kill you in high enough amounts.
Imagine coming out of a K hole and finding that you’ve caused the most powerful nation in the world to collapse.
Ketamine is the least of this dude’s problems.
Have you met his mother? That also explains a lot.
You mean his sister?
I’m not huge into drugs, can someone explain to me why a billionaire takes ketamine? Isn’t it a prescription painkiller?
Shouldn’t he be smoking brainstem of an endangered rainforest frog, or some nameless lab chemical synthesized personally for him?
I know it’s hard to phantom, but they have human bodies
That react to stimulants just like we
But they aren’t like us
*fathom
Oh man is that really how it’s spelled? Thx
Two different words 🙂
Phantom - a ghost
Fathom - to understand
Fathom is more specifically a unit of measurement for depth of water. If you fathom something, you’ve gauged the depths of the topic.
Oh cool. TIL
Is this a poem?
It’s a haiku, short for high iq
Ummm… Billionaires are people? Imma need a source on that.
No, no, no! Notice how I specified that they have human bodies, for this exact reason
Oh yes, thank you for the clarification
It’s a dissociative drug that has long been used as a field anesthetic because there’s a very wide range of doses that are both effective and non-lethal. It’s shown promise in recent years as a treatment for depression and certain other conditions that are resistant to traditional treatments. Ketamine is also sort of fun to do recreationally for the affirmation dissociative effects. Elon Musk is basically a drug addict at this point. He’s abusing it way too often and is healthy or safe to do
I suppose it’s just like most drug addicts, you don’t really choose what you get addicted to or when, something just sort of gets its hooks into you at some point and that’s it.
Plus if you factor in having essentially no boundaries on your life (ie infinite money and nobody to tell you no or stop you doing anything, being more-or-less above the law, access to high-quality drugs and world-class healthcare) you can probably go on doing stuff like that pretty much indefinitely. IIRC that’s how Keith Richards said he was able to go on doing drugs for so long - he was loaded so he could always get the good stuff that wasn’t mixed with anything.
I don’t know about ketamine but I have been around people on Amphetamines. He acts like they did. So a guy trying to run 3 companies at the same time would presumably use amphetamines to have the time. You can go for days without sleeping.
Who cares what the cause of the behavior is? It is unacceptable.
That should be enough. No need to even try to explain of empathize with it.
But it is telling that the richest man in the history of mankind acts like this. People should see that wealth does not equate to strength, intelligence, good politics, etc. But instead people see wealth as a way to get away with anything they want, even if it is completely embarrassing stuff that no one with self respect would even think about.
Very true. Fuck the rich
I believe it would be worth to research it. Similar to research into serial killers and other “unwanted” neurotypes we should try to learn how we can prevent people becoming like this and prevent becoming their victims
I think it’s fair to say that ketamine may be affecting his faculties, but this is dipping it’s toe into “the drugs make him do it!” sanewashing.
Drugs don’t make people assholes. They were assholes before they took the drugs, and the drugs emphasise what an asshole they are.
And assholes with too much money are a special brand of assholes.
As a very wise person once told me about acid, it doesn’t change you as much as it makes you more like yourself.
Put an A-hole down the K-hole and guess what comes out the other end?
Idk acid just makes me giggly and forget what I was saying because I saw a cool pattern on the wall. Don’t think it changes your personality that much
On higher doses, it can really break down the wall that makes you YOU into individual bricks. Seeing yourself, your actions, passions, and interpersonal relationships from a third person perspective isn’t something you can come back from without some sort of change.
Could be the dose, but LSD is far more than just visual. If you take certain meds (I think SSRIs might be one), it can significantly dull the experience as well.
I’m not sure I would say it personally changed me, but I can 100% understand how that could be possible. LSD is no joke.
Maybe if i took it solo it would be a different experience, but I’ve only done it in group settings where we’re just having fun so no real introspective thoughts occurred. (Biggest dose was around 300mcg)
Yeah, I once had similar “just tripping with friends” plans, but this is back when you had no idea about dosage and we each took 2 hits.
I assure you, “no real introspective thoughts” was not an option that day/night lol… In fact, I remember trying to fight it early on (before just saying fuck it and letting go), and boy did it make me uncomfortable. Probably the most dysphoric I have ever felt. It was like “look at me, I am the captain now.”
I wouldn’t call it a bad trip per se, but it was certainly difficult.
Honestly, after reading about some of the similar psychedelics that were floating around at the time, I wouldn’t be surprised if it was DOM or something similar. The trip lasted like 18 hours lol. It was the wild west back then.
Ye our trips also lasted about 12 to 14h before it let us sleep. But we also had other stuff and booze to keep the thoughts away
People have been known to change personalities and become like that after serious brain injuries. Not uncommon for such people to become right wing.
I don’t know much about ketamines effect on the brain…
Probably takes cocaine and he does drink alcohol too
I have a running theory that the reason celebs like telia tequila and Kanye suddenly veer so hard to crazy town is brain damaged caused by overdose/suicide and being clinically deaad + sent to weird brainwashing rehab facilities
Nah just the pressure of fame, a thousand lying tongues in your ear and 2 thousands hands in your pockets.
Isn’t that a porn movie?
Nah your thinking of a thousand tongues and fists in your ass.
Good porn. Highly recommend it.
You guys eh, you guys do a lot of ketamine don’t you? Jkjk
Tila had a stroke and became a bathsit right winger, much like sorbo who had a stroke and becomes a nutty Christian
As the saying goes “sober thoughts, drunk words”
Drunk words, ketamine actions?
So drunk thoughts sober words?
more like drunk fucks sober sexuality
Who is giving him this shit?
Catch me on the street with whatever pharmacy of dugs Musk is taking and I’d probably be sitting in front of a judge pretty quickly. Just another example of the rich doing whatever the F they want with no consequences.
Thinking about it, whoever Elon’s dealer is probably has a pretty sweet gig as far as drug dealing goes. They’ve got someone on the hook who is the magical combination of being an addict, has infinite wealth, doesn’t know the value of anything, and is a huge asshole so they probably don’t even feel bad about exploiting them lol.
I’m sure Elon pays a huge premium for an exclusive, on-call drug dealer.
Being a massive shithead also explains a lot of it. Including the drug use.
I dunno man, I’ve done ketamine and it didn’t turn me into a nazi.
Maybe he’s just a bad person.
Narcissism is the main problem with him, K made it worse.
Yep it just makes him unpredictable and more dangerous.
There’s a difference between recreational K use and stuffing it down every opportunity you get. If you’ve done K you know how it looks and Musk looks like that 100% of the time.
People are too hard on drugs. Drugs are great. the ketamine might be helping for all we know. It’s money and feeling unwanted as a child that has caused this man’s brain damage.
Yeah sad to see so many people here make the same error that the US (and most of the world) did regarding cannabis for 80+ years.
Stop falling for propaganda like this.
The dose makes the poison. I have seen people go from helped by prescription adderall to completely paranoid and detached from reality at high doses.
It can be both bad for him at his dosages and good for others, and I think most people here have understood that, though maybe I’m being optimistic
You can see the insecure little boy in him so much. Him and Joe Rogan. They are so obviously doing everything in themselves to have some confidence but not even millions and billions of dollars can fill that hole of abandonment.
Right, no one does the amount of steroids Joe Rogan does without having a severe case of body dysmorphia or something similar
Unfortunately it’s something as banal as height. He’s 5’8, same size as ben shapiro.
As a 5’6" man…is 5’8" supposed to be short or something 0_0
Isn’t anything under 6 feet short?
T_T
Only to a pillow princess
Little boy feels unwanted.
Little boy commits to getting rich and successful so he’ll feel wanted.
Little boy achieves success.
Little boy finds out the money prevents him from forming any meaningful relationships.
The world burns.
