U.S. officials familiar with the planning said options for “reclaiming” the vital waterway include close cooperation with Panama’s military and, absent that, possible war.
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Case White. Next we will plan an attack on France through the low countries…
Well.
There goes the element of surprise.
Scream loudly if you carry a little orange dick.
- Roosevelt
then-President Jimmy Carter transferred sovereignty to Panama in the late 1970s.
We’re literally just invading another country to take their property. Which to be fair IS a long rich American tradition, but gawdamnit it has to stop.
No no no, they’re invading another country to checks notes stop the flow of fentanyl where 901955% of it flows through.
Can our military just step up already and take these fuckers out? They are duty-bound to refuse unlawful orders.
And these people are fucking traitors.
Ok hear me out for a second, sugarpie. The maximum leader of the military is the president. Any attacks on him is considered treason and can get them an expedited ticket to the death penalty.
Hear me out. If they take out president, vice present… An so on until ask the rot is removed, then the next sane president can issue pardons.
I’m not condoning violence, this is in fact just mercy
Yeah, military coups always work out real well
Can it be any worse than the Trump regime?
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Well, we are between a rock and a fascist state.
They have, in similar cases, acted as a transition between untenable authoritarianism, and democracy. I would trust our top officers over anyone in Trump’s cabinet (or even the Republican Congress at this point).
I’m well aware of the dangers of a military coup. I just don’t know how else this could ever be stopped.
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Dunno in what world lemmy users live.
Even if his orders are lawful, they’ve sworn an oath to defend the constitution from all threats foreign and domestic: they’re duty bound to engage him in the exact same way they do with a combatant from Isis or something. Donald Trump is an enemy to the US.
25th Amendment also applies here. Orange hitler is obviously deranged and dangerous.
Never going to happen. They have given everything to MAGA, if Trump is out of the picture then it’s game over. No one cares about Vance, the population would be so enraged he would be impeached and removed faster then you can imagine.
If Trump is out of the picture the r’s will push Trump adjacent/instill another Russian puppet. And then will manipulate the votes, he’ll win 105% of the population.
The title is wildly over hyping this news. He said to plan multiple strategies, not to gear up for an invasion. Of course the military is gonna plan a war scenario. This is not the frightening headline its made out to be, shock the military plans stupid ways to put boots on the ground, the military LOVES to plan wars. Click baity for sure!
Click bait, yes, but leave it up to trump to say the quiet part out loud over and over.
People should be afraid of what’s coming
I have no idea what you’re saying…
What is not frightening about planning to start a war? Are you saying that you could take the canal without starting a war? What other way of acquiring it are you thinking of? What other strategies do you think exist? When you ask the military to come up with multiple strategies to accomplish something, you’re really asking them “would we have to put troops on the ground, or could we do this with a bombing campaign? What about the threat of violence and an illegal embargo?”. But if you employ the military in any strategy they come up with, you’re starting a war.
I mean, I guess we could offer to buy it, but it’s a cornerstone of their economy, we wouldn’t like the price. And Trump doesn’t go in for “bad deals” (paying for things).
So I think it is have that unprovoked invasion is even on the list and that is enough to warrant the headline. Even ordering that to be considered is unambiguously bent a bad guy.
However, another strategy involving the military could conceivably include providing engineering support in exchange for being favored by Panama. Violence isn’t the only thing in scope of the military. So you say they have more than one potential military plan is technically conceivable.
Well, while it is possible that the military does provide a nonviolent strategy along with their other ideas, do know that Trump will reject that out of hand. As I mentioned earlier, he’s not interested in “bad deals”, and any deal like this would have to at least be not terrible for Panama, and anything that doesn’t cripple Panama will be “a bad deal”.
That leaves Trump with only military force, I’m afraid he has no choice, his hands are tied… 🙄
While they do report multiple strategies and I’m sure that’s true, the fact that explicitly unprovoked military invasion is even on the table at all deserves every bit of outrage.
If this happens the government MUST be overthrown. If your tax dollars are being used to fund the unjustifiable murder of innocent people, you’re just as guilty as the ones doing the shooting. It would be better that we lose millions in a nuclear civil war than become the new Nazis.
But why??
My theory:
Panama controls a major trade route and charges shitloads of money for each ship that passes.
Same reason for Canada. The North-West Passage is melting and will be open year round in the not too distant future.
The same makes sense for Greenland if you consider Russia as a trade partner with lots of raw metals. Plus Greenland itself may have oil. Again, this when the ice melts completely.
Papa Putin says so.
He wants to be a strongman and he realizes peoples’ impression of him is nearly as small as his penis.
He is not mushroom shaped though.
How optimistic of you thinking he has a dick. He’s a clean cut choir boy. Aaaaaameeeeen.
Because you can’t really invade a place full of white people like Greenland or Canada. Even the diehard Trump fans would probably not be okay with that. On the other hand, a country full of poor, brown people that have only ever been fucked over by America? Well shit, we can’t wait to bomb them! George Carlin explained it, America loves bombing brown people. Anyone in the US military with the slightest amount of backbone will not follow these illegal orders. See the Nuremberg Trials if you’re not sure what an illegal order looks like. They aren’t even trying with a WMD hoax, this is just an illegal invasion.
“What?! There’s brown people there? BOMB THEM!!1!”
I entirely agree we shouldn’t do it, but I don’t believe it would necessarily be an illegal order to follow.
Invading a sovereign country for overtly offensive reasons isn’t against any particular military law, it’s just shitty.
The president doesn’t have the power to declare war, only to do everything involved in a war, but I don’t think that would actually make any of the orders illegal, unless they were to explicitly do some war crimes or some such.
I get what you’re saying, though maybe when America becomes the new nazis, we can have a Nuremberg Trial 2.0 and set some new precedents!
I have my doubts that any nation is going to accept the precedent that other nations can have authority over their use of military force.
That also sets a difficult precedent, both for soldiers and the court. If following an order to participate in an invasion of another country, while only engaging with valid military targets according to the rules of war, is a war crime if the international community later decides it wasn’t justified then soldiers will become war criminals not because of their actions being brutal or unethical, but because they were insufficiently aware of the global opinion of a war.
Second, it potentially puts the court in a position where they suddenly need to imprison literally hundreds of thousands of soldiers, to say nothing of arresting and trying them. This could easily make the court appear toothless when they fail to have the power to arrest the US army, nor to actually have a place to put them.
Give Fox News 6 months of their two minutes hate bullshit and Trumpers will be frothing at the mouth for Canadian blood. Americans have already proven that we’ll follow a blatant liar into war if the propaganda sets the tone for it.
This is sadly true.
Maybe, but relationships between the American and Canadian military are way too entrenched, even if it was a direct order, it’s pretty hard to suddenly point your weapons at someone who’s been a dedicated ally. Though I won’t blame Canadians for being more than a little pissed for quite some time, I just don’t see how this would actually happen.
And then in 10 years everyone gets to pretend that they were ‘against it the whole time’ like they did with the Iraq War.
Ain’t that the sorry truth? On one hand, I hope you’re right and that we have an after soon where we can enjoy forgetting haha
But — I remember protesting the Iraq war and I told my parent that this war didn’t make sense at all and I couldn’t stand for it. My parent was appalled. They literally cried and said that they were sorry to have a traitor for a child. Haha they hate the Iraq war now! Amazing!
Remember when Michael Moore got booed at his acceptance speech for some Hollywood award because he had the audacity to be like—yo this Iraq war shit is wrong and does not look like it’s based on anything? And even Hollywood BOOED him. Yanked him off stage!
Remember the little American car flags. On everyone’s stupid car windows?
You had to vocally support the troops if you were in public too. People who had become devoted to the Bush admin forced this in every conversation with strangers angling for a fight.
And we found out the Weapons of Mass Destruction were not real. They weren’t real. The have New York Times journalists that testified to admitted falsifying articles for the Bush Admin.
Looking back the atmosphere Then was a primer for Now.
The whole world stood with America and it was for a lie. When I was in Italy after 9/11, an entire restaurant stopped service because we were American and the restaurant expressed that they were with us and they felt deep grief for our country. Europe cried with us. Only to be betrayed 25 years later.
How do people who lived through these times forget these aggravating and tender moments? They don’t seem to remember and connect the dots.
I can only assume those who don’t make choices on principles stand for nothing. They base all their current attitudes on social hierarchy and nothing else. Mein Herz ist krank.
We saw the same fervour in the UK with the Brexit vote. Family members and people I personally know, who were vociferously in favour at the time, claim now to have always believed it a bad idea.
There’s the idiom that goes something like “those who stand for nothing will believe in anything.” It always amazes me when people fall for obvious nonsense. Especially otherwise intelligent and thoughtful people.
Even the diehard Trump fans would probably not be okay
Given the number of diehard trump fans who wish harm to other members of the US and agitate for an internal war, I doubt this is true for the majority of them.
You may be right. When logic and reason are your enemy, no one will be able to guess your next move (apparently kicking self in nuts repeatedly).
Join us tomorrow for the next exciting episode of, “Ow, My Balls!!!”
Putin knows that one of the quickest ways to destroy the US is if the rest of western civilization abandons it. Russia saw firsthand how quickly nearly the entire world joined in to sanction and abandon them when they invaded Ukraine with that bullshit story. The Panama shit is an even worse excuse, almost guaranteed to turn the western world fully against the US.
However, it’s also physically separated enough from the US that Americans at home that don’t pay attention won’t be directly affected to turn against it with retaliation, the Republican base is racist and narcissistic enough to back it seriously, and with a large enough power imbalance so unlike Ukraine there’s no chance of a prolonged conflict.
The infrastructure isn’t in place yet for them to just do whatever they want and arrest every protester like Russia does, so they do have to still take that into account, Panama is remote and unknown to a large portion of the population sadly. But the building of Panama Canal is something that many learned about in school as a pivotal historical infrastructure project. Something still in use today and referenced in the news even though they may not know where it is. For the America is Best narcissist, taking back what “we” built is an admirable goal.
The lake that feeds it is not recharging fast enough so they’re limiting passage of ships and making them take longer and more dangerous routes. So he’s probably planning to commit ecocide on the lake for the handful of years it can sustain the canal at max capacity but long enough to stymie other routes being planned or built.
Penile dysmorphic disorder
-How full of explosives should we make the canal?
-Yes.
What canal? All I see is C4.
(Edit: pack the ends of the canal with giant shrapnel)
Please remember that all this is noise to hide the great billionaire sacking of america. Smoke screen.
Threats to other countries isn’t noise… It doesn’t seem appropriate to hand wave away threats to other people.
Feels like they’re trying to overwhelm us with a barrage of shit.
The Drake v Kendrick rap battle taught us that refuting your opponent point by point leads to failure. You need to hammer your opponent on his weakest point over and over.
If we focus our efforts on his collapsing of the economy, will we be able to force him to drop the dumb imperialism stuff and focus on defense? I don’t know.
Illegal wars are a wonderfull distraction from kleptocracy.
Sheesh, if I had $1.1 trillion every time a Republican administration tried that trick…
technically it’s not a war it’s a ‘спецопера́ция’
Ah yes, the fabled ‘special operations’ thing.
It’s a matter of time before Trump gets us into a war on our own hemisphere, and when he does, he will impose a draft. I wish some “journalist” (there aren’t really any left any more) would ask him about his opinions on forcing a draft.
I have a 25 year old son, and there is no way I’ll allow him to be dragged off by the government to die in a Trump War whose main objective is to destroy America for Putin, so Trump, Musk and their friends can loot America. There is no way my son will be joining a Trump military for any reason.
A draft is political suicide, nothing would get him off the white house faster. There’s a reason the wars against China and Russia have people from other countries slated to die.
A year ago most people would have said Project 2025 was “political suicide”. Halting 50 billion dollars in foreign aid by executive order would have been political suicide. Giving Elon Musk veto power over government spending would have been political suicide. Having people deported because their speech was offensive to the government would have been political suicide. Insulting a world leader at a public press conference would have been political suicide…
Need I go on?
Fuck, during his first term Trump was impeached for even threatening to cut foreign aid to Ukraine. Now he can cut military aid to Ukraine because Zelensky wasn’t grateful enough for it and nobody says a word.
No matter how bad you think the situation is, it’s worse. Because almost everyone in America underestimates how much power Trump has to do whatever the fuck he wants.
And look. Trump won big among young men. Trump won because he went on Joe Rogan and talked about how young men don’t have positive male role models anymore. Trump won because manosphere influencers like Andrew fucking Tate boosted Trump as a real man, who will bring that manliness back to America. Trump is popular because he sells a vision of tough American manhood. And nothing’s more manly than war.
If Trump wants a draft, Trump will sell it as making young men manly again, Rogan and the manfluencers will back him to the hilt, America’s conservative young men will line up to register, the Republican Party will praise him for making the tough choices, and nobody over 25 will care because they won’t be eligible for the draft anyway.
And then when the war starts, and our young men start dying, we won’t hear those stories back home. His very carefully chosen embedded reporters and selected journalists will give us a curated and sanitized version of the war - just like they did in Afghanistan and Iraq - with our brave boys winning tremendous victories, and our local allies doing all the dying, with just enough American dead to give us martyred to praise.
No, if Trump wants a war, Trump will have one. If Trump wants a draft, Trump will impose one. And the American people will back him every step of the way.
Same, putting my kids on the first flight out of the country if I even catch a whiff of Mango Mussolini thinking about imposing a draft.
Wait. What did I miss? Why mango? He’s orange.
Mango Mussolini gives that beautiful alliteration
Orange Orangutan also works
I have to ask. Isn’t this just leaving the hard part to the poor and unfortunate? Why not have them stay and help stop this thing instead? Would you rather they come back once the dirty part is over? I’m legitimately curious, I do not understand, thank you
I’ll answer with an honest answer back to you. How would they help if they are drafted and sent to the front lines of some war? If they don’t follow orders they are court marshaled and sent to prison. Should I as a parent allow that to happen to my children? I’m sorry for the poor and unfortunate, and if there was anything else I could do for others I would, but my priorities will always be my family first, and the rest of society second.
Look up what they used to do to German soldiers who refused to follow orders during WW2 because they didn’t agree with their orders, same was done to conscripted (other type of draft) Russian soldiers.
Isn’t the Panama Canal basically running out of water? They should act like they’ve been cowed, sell it to us for a ton of money, and laugh all the way to the bank.
Why aren’t the democrats doing anything?
If thousands of Panamanians need to die to make people finally give in and support Pete Buttigieg that’s a price they’re willing to pay
It would be rude.
What did we hear from Trumpers last year, that he was the candidate for peace or some such shit?
They meant a candidate for ‘piece.’ A piece of this country, a piece of that country.
Ah, my mistake lol.
He was angling for the Nobel peace prize in Ukraine but I guess he figured out it was too hard
His buddy Vlad won’t allow that!
