What a weird wet dream. Teslas are stacked with cameras, they’d never get away with it.
Yeah that’s why they’ve caught every single person that’s set fire to a Tesla. /s
Do people think Teslas are equipped with cameras that can see through masks?
it’s actually hilarious how few would be crimestars dont know how facial rec software works. cover your ears and eyes, and them go do something other than what the stupidest people on the planet are doing, that causes the policy enforcers to come up with better more depraved ways to sodomize us. you worthless shit parrots, do deserve an animal’s prison address
What is this word vomit?
They’ve caught quite a few so far. Time will tell.
Google says 3 people from the same incident. I can’t find any other cases of people being caught. It also had nothing to do with the Tesla cameras.
4 Federal charges so far, 3 from one incident, one from another, along with at least one man arrested on-scene for keying a Tesla. Others who are keying Teslas are all caught on video, so we’ll probably see more arrests in the future.
Edit: Another arrest in New Hampshire!
Edit2: man in Texas was just arrested.
Yeah. That’s pretty garbage arrest numbers. Not gonna lie.
So far. We’ll see.
The irony here is that Hyundai models built 2019 - 2023 have an issue where they’ll spontaneously combust.
There is a whole bunch of regulatory stuff that’s been spun up for EVs over the past 7 years or so.
I have no idea if Hyundai had something out of the ordinary happen, but the public is generally very slow to change and are a bit hyper vigilant. Add in the fact that the press loves a good boogieman to get clicks and you’ll see some of the EV mess.
Are they safer than ICE? Yes. Should that stop there? No.
With an average of 16 EV and hybrid fires per year, there’s a 1 in 38,000 chance of fire. There are a total of roughly 4.4 million gas- and diesel-powered passenger vehicles in Sweden, with an average of 3,384 fires per year, for a 1 in 1,300 chance of fire. That means gas- and diesel-powered passenger vehicles are 29 times more likely to catch fire than EVs and hybrids.
Hyundai and Kia always has something out of the ordinary happen. My model was an ICE with two major flaws: one meant that the engine was liable to catastrophically fail and catch on fire at around 90k miles, and the other made it so stealing them was literally child’s play. Kids were making TikToks on how to steal them…
Hyundais just aren’t good cars. They cut corners to the max, and when shit goes south just try to gaslight everyone involved. I’m highly skeptical that their EVs are high quality, because their ICE models were shitboxes.
In Brazil we call this jeitinho brasileiro (brazillian way*)… but this seems so american in my pov *means that you should take advantage in everything
In American we call this Insurance Fraud and it is illegal and causes insurance rates to be much higher.
So illegal.
Echoing that the Hyundai Ioniqs are fantastic EVs with plenty of actual buttons in the console as well as fast charging speeds (the chargers themselves are the limiting factor)
If they rely on insurance to not fuck them over, I wish them good luck. Because boy, do insurances have the capacity and willingness to fuck people over
But they are also competing with each other. Insurers who have less Teslas will win (and offer lower premiums).
But they are also competing with each other. Insurers who have less Teslas will win (and offer lower premiums).
I’ve heard insurance companies in the Un-united Dystopia of america have stopped insuring them
Good. That means the burn a Tesla campaign is working. The goal is no one buying any new ones.
So long as only victims are insurance companies and Tesla, I am okay with it. To be fair, they kinda deserve it.
I mean, the environment is also a victim in that case
Tesla has its own insurance company so double whammy lmao
Well, no, it’s all of us, because of how insurance works. Payouts go up, premiums go up. As long as the number of destroyed Teslas is a drop in the ocean we won’t notice, but lots of companies love a good excuse to put prices up and this is just handing them a gold plated excuse on a silver platter.
Well, they’d put the premiums up on tesla owners as the cars now carry increased risk.
Yes of course that’d be their primary source. But if that doesn’t cover all the payouts then it’ll lead to a general increase in insurance premiums for everyone.
No, because insurers are already maximising their prices. If they could increase they would. If they don’t price fairly (price inc. vandalism on Teslas only) then they will lose business to other insurers who have proportionally less Teslas on their books.
At least I’d be getting charged more for a real thing and not the normal made up reasons behind price hikes.
I honesty don’t think vandalism is covered under a lot of insurance policies.
Also I have yet to see a vandalized Tesla. It would be pretty silly for you to go vandalize a car as that’s not something you want on your criminal record.
Just a reminder that insurance is a scam. You are compelled to pay for it under penalty of law in the case of car insurance, and the insurance companies do everything possible to maximize their profits, being for profit companies. What this means in general is that people pay more into insurance than they ever get out. If they didn’t the insurance companies wouldn’t make a profit. The money you pay isn’t going into some huge fund that supports everyone who pays for it. If it doesn’t go to paying out claims now it goes straight to the insurance executives, or investors, or to “lobbying” politicians to keep the racket going. The day you stop paying out you get fucking nothing. All that money is just gone, for the pleasure of maybe having your claim paid out if your insurance company can’t weasel their way out of paying. Insurance is a scam, a bunch of penny pinching middlemen draining the world of human productivity and effort for their own benefit and nothing else. Any benefit a particular individual happens to get is a loss to be minimized to them.
I mean, I would hope insurance doesn’t need to pay me. That imply I’ve involved in an accident or had my stuff stolen. Even a not for profit insurance company would operate like that. I can afford $100/mo but I cannot afford to replace not only my car but the car or property of whatever I may be found at fault for hitting(and if I get hit, can that person afford to pay me?). If I got into an accident, especially if I were younger, how would I replace my $5,000 car and the $70k BMW I just hit? What if my kid set my house on fire or what if fire leapt from my neighbour’s house to mine?
That said, it’s absolutely true that system is bloated to an absolutely disgusting level and its shocking lack of regulation for, as you say, being legally required is pitiful. It deplorable that people need to fight to get payouts sometimes and how the US uses it for healthcare is just hellish. It’s also true that the capitalist/libertarian ideal of insurance only really works if people are paid adequately but both those systems do fuck all, on purpose, to keep people’s financial security safe.
In Québec, liability is paid for by the province so our car insurance is a lot cheaper and regular insurance only needs to cover the physical property, so that’s nice. It’s still got it’s problems I’m sure, but it’s a step in the right direction.
Oh and the whole concept of an excess. So I have to pay to have my car insured but if the damage to my car is less than a certain amount I have to pay for it? What’s the point of the insurance then.
My car is probably worth less than the excess anyway so if it was a total write-off I’d get a maybe five hundred for it, and that’s it
being for profit companies
I think the approach in Australia is a bit better - bodily injury coverage is provided by the state and is part of the registration fee for the car.
It’s not perfect and only covers injuries to people, and does not cover repairing cars (you need to get separate insurance from an insurer for that) but it’s a good first step I guess. It means that as long as your car is registered, medical costs for both you and anyone you hit are covered.
I’m also Australian and what this person is saying is true
I beleive its called “CTP” or “compulsory third party insurance” if I recall correctly
You can get additional optional car insurance in Australia as well
Yeah, CTP. I never drove or owned a car in Australia so I’m glad I got it right haha. I lived in Melbourne and used public transport all my life. I didn’t learn to drive until I moved to the USA.
In France, most insurance companies are mutual and not for profit. (Basically a communist hellhole!)
What you are describing is not insurance, it’s capitalism in general.
Insurance is very much needed. If there weren’t that many reckless drivers then insurance would be cheaper.
I wish we had the same thing as in Singapore. Their cars literally cannot go over the speed limit.
But yes, when insurance is basically required to have, then it’s good to start having government participation in it. The government needs to be the majority stakeholder, as it also provides all of the customers.
It would be a scam if you couldn’t choose the company. However, you have plenty of options. Insurance also encourages better driving since things like tickets can cause price increases. There are some privacy concerns with insurance but that is a separate issue.
I scares me the number of people willing to commit insurance fraud. I’ve had friends who would do things like park there car in a hail storm.
Insurance companies are never the only victim. They just pass the pain forward.
Committing insurance fraud is honestly pretty questionable from a ethics perspective. You are cheating the game at the cost of everyone else. Why are people ok with this now in 2025? In the last few decades it as become socially acceptable to cheat the system for your own gain.
I fully support the arrest and prosecution of those who commit insurance fraud. Same goes for companies who cheat there workers out of pay.
The “ethics” of following laws stem entirely from the social contract. Both sides agree to a set of rules because it’s fair or in their mutual interest to take part in society. But when one side violates that social contract (causes a constitutional crisis, ignores the rule of law, etc.) then all bets are off. If you blindly follow the rules while the other side is actively ripping them up, then you’re at best a sucker and at worst complicit.
Would you/do you support what happened during the Boston tea party? I think we all like law and order, but under the current regime, justices are being found dead from mysterious causes. It’s hard to say it’s the same system of law we’re used to.
I think we all like law and order
Have you never met any anarchists?
Recently, actually. They have no idealogical allies, no plan, no nothing. They’re not a voting block anyone cares about, nor do they have any actual positions to argue. I do not take their opinions seriously.
They definitely do have positions and beliefs. I am not sure how much you actually understand anarchism. Anarchist “nations” have even been established before, but they tend to get invaded sooner or later. While they do sometimes ally with Marxists you would be correct in thinking they have few permanent allies. Hence the getting invaded part I guess.
I’m willing to admit that I don’t know a lot about anarchism. I’ve tried to learn more when I have the opportunity to talk to someone about it, but I never get anything insightful.
I’d love to know more about how an anarchist society could work.
Honestly your asking the wrong person here. I would suggest maybe starting with Krapotkin or Bakunin who were some of the early anarchists. That or just looking up anarchist philosophy and history. Anarchists have a history fighting against both fascism and some marxist tendencies like the Bolsheviks.
As a Hyundai-owner…you should buy a Honda.
As an owner of both, my 2020 Ioniq BEV easily feels better than my previous civic, and my Subaru (though I’d want the suby for anything challenging terrain-related). Best car I’ve owned.
So here’s my issue with Hyundai. I LOVED them, bought 2 Tucsons so far and love so much about them. HOWEVER, there was some oil-related recall that, long-story short, killed my engine while I was driving on a highway. My car was at 99,000 miles at the time this happened, and it was before they actually issued the recall. I had to spend about $8k replacing the engine and paying for a rental. A few months later they issues the recall and I submitted all of my paperwork. They ignored me. I submitted again, they ignored me again. I called a few times, and tried submitting again, and somehow their website broke and stopped letting me submit my paperwork, and they refused to let me send it in any other way.
It was under warranty. I almost died. And it cost me a lot of money. But they fucked around playing games to avoid paying me.
So fuck Hyundai. I’ll never buy another. When this one finally dies, I’ll probably go with a Honda CR-V, or a Nissan Murano.
I don’t know. My runner up was an Ioniq 5. A shame it was 10k more expensive
“Sir/madam, (sadam) your conviction slowly steeling and your hands steadying themselves before you finally threw the bottle was heartening, but why did you come directly out of your own house to do it? Claim rejected.”
Eventually one of you’s is gonna try it, but forget a detail or two.
I traded mine in. Was underwater by 10k. Fuck me, but fuck Elon more.
Buying a Hyundai of all choices after a tesla is doubling down on shitty car choices
The best car to get is one where the engineers actually thought of maintaining the thing over looks
I retired during Covid, but until then I drove mercedes. When I needed a new car, the new Merc dealer wouldn’t even let me onto the lot, telling me he couldn’t get a car for me for 12 months. Turned out, the only new car I could get immediately, was a Kia Sportage, and that was only because someone failed a finance application. That car was actually awesome, never a single problem, but I decided I didn’t like all the screens because always fingerprints, so I sold that and bought a Hyundai because I had already gone through the tech learning curve (Kia and Hyundai are the same). That too, has been trouble free all the time I’ve had it, and I’m about to trade to another Hyundai. Converesely, here in Australia, I hear about Honda’s being crap. I think Korean cars, actually made in Korea, are actually great cars. You Americans mostly get models made locally, which to me sounds like the problem. What you are saying, is American made is shitty.
To be fair, we’ve been very happy with our Kona EV. No problems after 25k miles.
Portuguese love a good kona
What about before 25k miles?
They aren’t terrible cars. I had a Hyundai and it ran well. Just didn’t throw an oil light for me. Engine seized. My own fault really, but lasted like 180k
My hyundai isn’t electric but I’ve been very happy with it
Don’t put Hyundai on a pedestal.
https://foundation.mozilla.org/en/privacynotincluded/categories/cars/
Sure, but that’s kind of every car manufacturer right now. If you let that limit your choice, you won’t be buying anything. Depending on where you live, maybe that’s better.
Then don’t buy anything.
If you want to stop shit behaviour you need to provide consequences.
Buy a used car instead, there’s plenty of them.
When the new car market falls apart these manufacturers will change their ways.
But because people are unwilling to part with even the tiniest bit of convenience, prestige, whatever the fuck it is, I wish I knew, then the bad behaviour is encouraged and then you’re left in a situation where the market sees there’s no consequences for adding this shit to their products and they all do it.
Then everybody suffers.
So, I’m supposed to drive an older, less safe car without the features I want? I’m supposed to keep using an ICE? No thanks.
Less safe? What features do you need that, say, a 2015 model can’t have?
An ICE that is still on the go is more environmentally friendly than manufacturing an EV from new… A new EV versus a new ICE, yeah fair enough. But replacing a perfectly functional ICE vehicle with a new EV for environmental reasons is just marketing, consumerism, and trend following.
To stop bullshit spying of every part of a vehicle, to stop bullshit waste of perfectly functional vehicles, buy used.
Obviously, fuck cars, use public transport if you can, but that’s unfeasible for most, so buy used!
Especially if you can get your hands on something like a 1.0l with a giant turbo strapped to the side. They’re pretty common in Europe, I don’t know about America.
What features do you need that, say, a 2015 model can’t have?
assist, and adaptive cruise control come to mind.
A new EV versus a new ICE, yeah fair enough
Well, buying a new car is what I’m interested in. I want something reliable, not something with 10 years of wear and tear on it. Hell, a big draw of EVs is their dramatically simpler maintenance plan. If I’m in the market for an EV, a 10 year old ICE just isn’t a good alternative.
Especially if you can get your hands on something like a 1.0l with a giant turbo strapped to the side. They’re pretty common in Europe, I don’t know about America.
I really wish… I got back into motorcycles this year, so I have a 250cc engine to move me around now.
You can get adaptive cruise control as far back as the 1998 Mercedes S-class. Though that model has a lot of issues. Get 2005+ for nightvision and other cool toys plus better reliability.
A 2025 Hyundai is not going to offer you significantly better safety than that, if it’s truly safety you’re after. Definitely not some small CUV that fits entirely in the the front crumple zone of the S. You’re right about maintenance though. Just lease something new and let the second or third owner worry about the consequences of modern maintenance schedules. Or like you said, get an EV and sell it before the battery warranty is out. It’s not like you’re actually going to be able to affect an entire industry by holding out on buying new lol. Just don’t be left holding the bag on the repair costs of modern cars.
2025 Hyundai EV is going to require FAR less maintenance than an old Mercedes. I’ve owned a fairly young VW and immediately dumped it when the manufacturer recertified warranty ran out. Every little repair on those German cars are ridiculously expensive.
Or like you said, get an EV and sell it before the battery warranty is out. It’s not like you’re actually going to be able to affect an entire industry by holding out on buying new lol
Yeah, that’s kind of my point. Historically, boycotts just don’t work unless the overall sentiment was already shifting. Like Tesla right now. They were already losing sales because of their tired designs and were already offering deep incentives. Elon just accelerated the downfall by going full Nazi.
I will be the first one to tell you that the infotainment system in my Subaru makes the car LESS safe to drive.
I can believe that. My job has me travel, so I’ve rented a lot of different vehicles. Some are definitely more intuitive than others. I don’t think I’ve had a Subaru though.
Man a shitty lining to this cloud is the kids that had to mine the lithium for the batteries into useless cars.
I think you’re thinking of Cobalt? Lithium mainly is mined in big industrial facilities in Australia and Chile. Not like cobalt wich was in the news for being mined by hand, including with children.
However “new” Lithium Iron Phosphate (LFP) batteries go without cobalt and other rare earth materials (not actually rare btw). Most electric cars use these batteries nowadays including many Teslas.
I just think it’s bizarre that Magnetite is considered a rare mineral. It’s literally cheaper than lead
I didn’t know this, thanks for taking the time to inform
It’s a step in the right direction. It won’t stop the countries we exploit from being exploited. But if Tesla goes bankrupt it is one less large company exploiting the global south. And arguably the worst when it comes to Cobalt.
I have owned only three brands of cars with a total of four different engines. And next to my Toyotas, my one Hyundai was incredibly reliable. Made it to 300k before I gave it away to my cousin. And the only time it ever left my in a jam was a Walmart parking lot when the starter burnt out. I walked across the street, bought a new one, and with the help of a YouTube video & $10 worth of tools from that very Walmart, shit was done. I highly recommend an old sonata to any one hard up, and in need for something reliable. Mine actually had heated seats! Easily the best $700 I’ve ever spent! I could rant about that car for ever.
Fuck hyundai, buy a toyota like someone with a modicum of taste and intelligence.
I don’t think people that decided to buy an electric car will be interested in trading it in for a hybrid. Also, assuming you’re in the US, because Hyundai are very good and popular in Europe. (Sorry, just noticed the username. Oh well…)
Toyota makes electric cars and also hydrogen cars. But really EV’s arent all that great for the environment. Lithium mining is pretty awful not to mention super exploitative. And there is this bottleneck of liFePo battery production that we and the industry at large seem to be ignoring. Currenty less than 8% of the amount of new vehicles sold annually on the planet are EV so we would need to increase the supply by at least 1250% plus all the other industries that rely on lithium batteries like cordless power tools, batteries and many other consumer electronics. So likely we would need to increase production by 2000% and thats a conservative estimate and then we would need to repeat this year after year after year. This us not going to be good for the environment regardless the increase in sustainability compared to ICE vehicles. We need to develop solar tech beyond what it is. Look at tje german auto manufacturer Sono who makes a solar ev that seems pretty promising for a technology in its infancy. Also we need to really take notes from toyota because manufacturing cars in the way that American automotive manufacturers have normalized, disposable planned obsolescence vehicles made to break down so that consumers will have to buy a mew one or pay for hours and hours of expensive labor, is just not sustainable. Toyota at least puts out vehicles that mostly Will still be on the roads 3 decades or more after their first purchase. When most other manufacturers are making vehicles that are pretty much crushed and sold for scrap after 100,000 miles or 10 years. So besides the technology itself the current model of consumer usage and disposal is not sustainable
I’m sorry, I don’t want to buy a brand new car from 2005.
Jokes aside, what’s the point of a new Toyota? You’ll have a reliable car but use way more fuel than a German diesel wagon or sedan, in the age of super high fuel prices. Toyota of course barely even makes wagons or sedans anymore. They discontinued the Avensis, brought in the Camry and now it’s pretty much “buy a C-HR or RAV4 lol”. Toyota’s only EV so far came way too late and offers way too little to be compelling compared to what the Koreans are doing. The Koreans can’t make an ICE for shit but they do know how to make a decent EV.
The only decent cars they make now are the BMW Supra and the NotOnMyContinent Land Cruiser 300. And I guess the RAV4 PHEV but that costs so much you might as well just get A BMW X5.
Idk what poanet youre on but toyota makes great cars all around. The lexus RX/ toyota highlander (which is just the camry platform crossover) redefined suv crossovers. Without it suv’s tofay would be totally different. Also toyota 4cylinder hybrids get 60+ miles to the gallon the electric hybrid rav 4 in 2020 was getting 96 mpg. Toyota makes tons of wagons and sedans, tbe prius comes in wagon format the ct200h is a wagon, Camry, carola, avalon, gs300, ls350, sc400, I mean if you dont want a car that will last 3-5 decades plus that was made to last then get what you want. I cant tell you how many late 90’s early aughts toyota products are still on the road i see dozens every day. I have one. A 2004 rx330 with 225,000 miles on it. Aiming to take it to a million miles. There is a reason toyota products have great resale value, are highly desired and have stellar consumer reports ratings. And they are pretty easy to work on so you dont have to pay 200+ an hour at a mechanic if youre not an idiot and are mechanically inclined.
And if you want something else then go honda. Toyota and honda products are hands down the 2 best quality manufacturers that produce reliable lasting vehicles.
Subaru is also up there
Theyre not too bad. Japanese manufacturing standards are pretty exceptional. Its a shame that honda isnt buying nissan after all, they are the one outlier.
The only 90s and early 00s Toyota products with Toyota badges I see on the road are Land Cruisers because those are the only ones worth enough to repair the rust to make them pass inspection. Mid 00s onwards is a bit better and Lexus models get treated nicer, so you still see an old one every few months.
The Highlander and RX don’t even offer a diesel option… What a joke. Perfect platform for a 4 or 6 cylinder (for the RX variant) diesel. There’s no way they’re getting 60+ mpg on the highway unless you’re talking about plug-in hybrids, which only get that when actually charged - which most users unfortunately do not. Plus if you have to charge on long trips to get good fuel economy, why not just get a BEV?
Also half the models you listed are either discontinued altogether or no longer sold in Europe. Toyota doesn’t want you to have a Camry or a GS anymore. And I mean the GS was a damn solid car in the late 90s and early 00s when it got the 2jz engine. I can’t speak for third and fourth gen personally as I have no experience. But at thus point they’ve been discontinued for years, you’re supposed to go buy a crossover instead. Or the ES, which seems like a downgrade. The CT is a small hatchback, not a wagon. It’s nowhere near the same practicality. It’s also discontinued. The SC is a pretty cool car… But discontinued for a decade and a half now.
Apparently the Camry is back on the menu though - it had diappeared from Toyota Estonia’s website for a while and I just assumed they’d dropped that in Europe too. The only remaining wagon, though, is the Corolla which again isn’t competitive with European offerings in terms of cargo space. It IS significantly cheaper than a 5 series or E class wagon but then if you need to haul anything you need to rent a trailer, which is a hassle. I’ve owned 5 or 6 wagons at this point, ranging from Passat to E class to Outback… And I’ve filled the trunks on all of them.
With the Highlander no longer available, the only Toyota badged vehicle that would fit my regular cargo requirements is the ugly ass new Land Cruiser 250 (as opposed to the 300 which I think looks great) and the only Lexus badged ones would be the RX or LM. But I don’t need an SUV so I don’t want to pay the SUV premium. Plus to get decent fuel economy in the RX, I’d have to opt for the plugin hybrid for an extra 20k??? And the trunk is still nowhere near as big as in the E-class wagon somehow.
I’m sorry, but Toyota has lost the plot. They just ignore entire market segments thinking everyone is happy with a crossover. They just don’t want me to buy a new car from them and the models they do have are so reliable because their engine tech is 2 decades old, not because Toyota has great engineering.
Honestly get one of those old Toyotas that were build like tanks. All metal and a simple engine design means it runs forever and is easy to work on.
Amen. Thats why i have an rx330. If you want fuel efficiency they make plenty of hybrid drive trains. The first prius came out in like 2000 they sure have come a long way with that tech.
