According to former United States general Ben Hodges, the withdrawal of US troops from Europe is only a matter of time. In an interview with SonntagsBlick, he advises Switzerland to prepare for war.

  • @[email protected]
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    Tangentially related, he once said: “I had a German tell me one time, he said, the two pillars for us are NATO and the EU. NATO is for life, EU is for quality of life.” I wonder how that’ll play out in the near future.
    EDIT: corrected link.

    • HellsBelle
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      403 months ago

      Most are ok. It’s the spoiled nepo babies who’ve grown into privileged assholes that are the problem.

      • @[email protected]
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        43 months ago

        some people have to vote for them and put them up there. So i would say most is accurate sadly :/

        • HellsBelle
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          Plus the morons that keep voting them into power.

          Nobody voted Schmusk into power.

          • Diplomjodler
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            183 months ago

            But everybody who wanted to could have known that Trump was going to appoint the most comically unqualified people.

          • guldukat
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            No, but what was coming was in their face. The US is OK with it. We are no longer an ally, but please don’t forget about us…

          • @[email protected]
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            33 months ago

            I don’t get what happened here. Did you really said “electoralism is not the root cause of fascism”, meaning that power would end up corrupted no matter what, and people actually downvoted you on .world, meaning they would think that electoralism IS a problem ? That’s not at all the cliché I have for either .ml and .world folks.

            Or, since your original comment was edited later than its reply, did you edit it to make it say something else ?

          • Diplomjodler
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            23 months ago

            Ele… what? Phew, for a second there I thought I had accidentally posted on .ml again.

              • Diplomjodler
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                73 months ago

                So how do you decide who gets to govern, if not through elections? And yes, I am very much a “hurr ml” person. I’ve rarely seen such an accumulation of blockheads outside r/thedonald, back in the day.

        • @[email protected]
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          63 months ago

          The major problem—one of the major problems, for there are several—one of the many major problems with governing people is that of whom you get to do it; or rather of who manages to get people to let them do it to them. 
          To summarize: it is a well-known fact that those people who must want to rule people are, ipso facto, those least suited to do it. 
          To summarize the summary: anyone who is capable of getting themselves made President should on no account be allowed to do the job.

          Douglas Adams,

      • @[email protected]
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        03 months ago

        Most

        Are you sure?

        In any event, its probably a game of tug of war, and the decisions we make as a society depend greatly on how society’s parents were raised.

        • HellsBelle
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          13 months ago

          Yes I’m sure, because most people are not psychopathic, sociopathic or super-rich assholes.

          In fact only a few are at least 2 out of 3 there. The problem is they’re also the ones with the most power.

        • @[email protected]
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          The game is abusing the reserve currency to fund your defense. The US extorts third world countries into accepting its inflation by utilizing USD, which funds its military, and Europe figured it would be able to coast on the the US doing this in perpetuity.

          The problem the US faces is China stopped recycling into US treasuries, and other countries are following suit. So the world is changing and rates will be higher globally moving forward, hence Europe’s sudden goal of rushing in a CBDC by October.

          https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=nHd_1QEC5r4

          I’m not crazy right, clearly aging demographics and higher yield treasuries are the cause of all of this instability the last few years?

    • @[email protected]
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      303 months ago

      Standing in the middle of a fully stocked supermarket saying, “well, I guess this is it. We have no choice but to kill and eat each other.”

  • Jeena
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    553 months ago

    It’s high time that we throw out the US army from Europe. They’ve been waging war in the middle east from Rammstein for decades.

  • @[email protected]
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    This is blatant fear mongering, russia can’t even defeat the Ukraine. How the fuck do they manage a second front?

  • @[email protected]
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    273 months ago

    “According to everything I hear from Washington, Europe is no longer a priority.” Trump sees China as the main opponent of the US.

    This didn’t start with Trump, it has been building for a long time. I haven’t seen anyone spell it out so clearly before though.

      • @[email protected]
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        53 months ago

        Desert Shield/Storm and Panama were overwhelmingly sucessful military operations because they had clear, achievable objectives. George HW Bush was a bastard, but his team could execute a military mission.

        • @[email protected]
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          23 months ago

          Also, the Iranian army didnt fight back because they didnt want to. Some even asked, “what took you so long?..”

      • @[email protected]
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        123 months ago

        Counter insurgency is tough to overcome. As you kill insurgents, more insurgents pop up because the initially killed insurgents were their family and friends. The only way to do it is to rule with an iron fist.

        • @[email protected]
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          33 months ago

          I disagree that there is any way to do it. Ultimately, people don’t want you there and are unhappy enough that they’re willing to die rather than cooperate. It is simply too expensive in terms of man hours, lives, and money to keep a population under occupation like that. At the very least, you need to do as the colonial powers did and exploit a local division to deputize some of the locals to rule on your behalf.

          • @[email protected]
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            13 months ago

            The Mongolians did it. Rome did it. History is littered with countless examples of one nation overcoming another.

  • @[email protected]
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    563 months ago

    If anyone is interested in the state of things in Switzerland:

    Our defense is in chaos right now. A scandal in our state-owned but public weapons manufacturer just broke a few weeks ago and shortly after the secretary of the departement of defense announced her resignation. We will see if the newly elected one will improve the situation.

    The army is generally seen as somewhat of a joke, especially by people who served, which is more than half of all Swiss men. We like to call it a “Pfadiverein” (boy scouts association).

    Even with all that, the right wing parties want to give a shitload more money to defense, and cut costs in social spending and foreign aid to compensate. Left of centre the need to improve defense is also accepted, but 1) before the army gets more money, they need to get their shit together and 2) more important than the army itself is integration with the european security Infrastructure (the left parties are also very pro-EU). The centre politicians usually mix blth stances and lean more one or the other way.

    Also we still stand to buy fighter jets from the US, and only the left parties are calling to cancel the deal.

    • @[email protected]
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      Then you don’t understand what’s REALLY going-on:

      Trump wants to smash Canada & Greenland, so that between Trump+Musk on ALL of North America + Greenland,

      & Putin-backed-by-China,

      the hated-by-them EU can be DESTROYED,

      & then they get to be the ONLY “kings” ruling the world.

      FIGHT TO THE DEATH TO SAVE EUROPE’S LIFE, if you have to!

      Trump’s declaring war against Canada, my country, is certain, within 2-2.5y, maximum.

      _ /\ _

      • @[email protected]
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        23 months ago

        Oh, while the US is waging TOTAL WAR against Canada, 3y from now, if anyone think that China-backed-Russia isn’t going to be rampaging Europe, they’re mindblind/incompetent.

        This is THE GREAT FILTER: humankind’s species-“puberty”.

        Grow-up transformation either will be earned, by some remnant of our world’s people,

        XOR

        the galaxy will be silent of our-kind, permanently, by the end of this century, forever.

        Natural Selection, it’s called, within an Extinction Event, too…

        _ /\ _

      • @[email protected]
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        103 months ago

        Trump’s declaring war against Canada, my country, is certain, within 2-2.5y, maximum.

        I only think you’re optimistic in the time frame. I’m expecting within 6 months, Trump will try. He will fail, because he fails to understand how many USians will take up arms to defend Canada, from within the US itself.

        Once that happens, it’s game over for the US. I honestly think it will be the spark that causes civil war, and this time, a dissolution of the union.

        I project within 10 years, the United States will consist of about 15 states, and the rest of the states will be split into their own countries, with one of them possibly incorporated into Canada.

        My guess is the NE gets turned into another province, and the Pacific Coast states will be the own country; in the end, likely about 20 years out.

        • @[email protected]
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          83 months ago

          Man you guys really swing for the fences and get specific with your predictions, love it.

        • @[email protected]
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          13 months ago

          I think Mexico is the most likely candidate for attempted 1st annexation. Trump hates colored people, thus he thinks it is an easy win on multiple levels. It wouldn’t surprise me if Mexico ends up as a proxy combatant on the behalf of Canada and the EU, and likely using their cartels to kill members of Yarvin’s Cabal to send a message.

        • @[email protected]
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          73 months ago

          Ok first off LOL I appreciate the thought experiment we all have them and anything is in the realm of possibility but still be batshit insane.

          That said, I want Minnesota because selfishly their hip hop scene is bumpin

    • @[email protected]
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      173 months ago

      If it makes you feel any better, we have a joke in Austria that we might as well not have an army, because we border 1) NATO, 2) Switzerland, and if either of those become a threat, we might as well capitulate immediately.

  • suoko
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    133 months ago

    Make him a present, some winter vacations in Switzerland and some summer ones in Italy. Cool those US guys down, down to the bottom of earth

  • @[email protected]
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    23 months ago

    It’s hard to know where to begin with people like this. They are more ideologically unhinged than anyone in the Middle East, more indoctrinated than any communist, more institutionalised than a life sentence prisoner, and more ignorant than a drunken donkey.

    • NaibofTabr
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      173 months ago

      I think you’ve misunderstood. It sounds like you’ve interpreted the headline to mean that General Hodges is threatening to invade Switzerland. Perhaps you only read the headline and not the actual article.

      "The best way to prevent a war is to prepare for it,” said the former commander of the US armed forces in Europe […] The US Department of Defence is currently funding 100,000 soldiers in Europe, said Hodges. For him, it is clear that President Donald Trump will withdraw troops. “The only question is when, and how many soldiers he will withdraw,” said the former general. “According to everything I hear from Washington, Europe is no longer a priority.” Trump sees China as the main opponent of the US.

      Hodges is stating the reality that Trump will withdraw US troops from Europe in the future, regardless of how bad an idea that is.

      From Trump’s point of view, the US would be paying billions for the defence of Europe, said Hodges. […] “Incidentally, the US benefits enormously economically from a stable Europe,” he said.

      Trump is the kind of moron who only understands short-term profit (especially profit for himself) and doesn’t give a shit about long-term international cooperation. Some very bad decisions are going to be made in the near future.

      Hodges understands the value of European relationships but also sees the inevitability of what’s coming and is trying to make the reality of it clear.

          • Miles O'Brien
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            43 months ago

            I think you hit the nail on the head with that “you just read the title” and now they’re mad for being called out.

            Embarrassment can cause people to lash out in irrational ways.

        • NaibofTabr
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          173 months ago

          I mean… nothing substantial, I guess you’re right… but I’m also not claiming to know anything about Switzerland. I’m claiming to have actually read the article, and to have some reading comprehension which you are evidently lacking.

  • @[email protected]
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    273 months ago

    If Putin had any desire to conquer Switzerland, all I’ll say is good luck. They’re:

    • Heavily fortified, with hundreds of bunkers dotting the countryside
    • Highly mountainous, which would heavily slow down a ground invasion.
    • One of the few states to still practice mandatory military service.
    • Pretty lax with gun ownership, to the point where citizens have a statutory duty to bear arms in the event of an invasion.
    • A substantial player in the banking sector with many oligarchs using their service. Any freeze they’d put on Russian assets would likely go above and beyond what NATO and the EU managed, just because of how synonymous their banks are with the wealthy. They would probably send the Russian economy into freefall long before they could even get anywhere near Zurich.
    • Surrounded from all sides by NATO and EU member states, and would likely have plenty of time to prepare their own forces in the unlikely event that Russia mounts a full-scale invasion and takes over the rest of Europe.
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    US troops often withdraw leaving way too much equipment behind.

    I better not see civilians with “cool military” gear! That’s worse than any weeb or m’ladyian/fedorian.

    But maybe I get to burn a Humvee or two since we “lack” those (now obviously surplus too) cybertrucks over here.

    • @[email protected]
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      63 months ago

      Shoving helos off a carrier deck comes to mind, when we were actually trying to evacuate refugees instead of lowering plane flaps to push off the hangers on. Guess the Taliban has Strykers and MRAPs now just like our cops, yay murica

  • @[email protected]
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    143 months ago

    It’s unfortunate that we’ve configured our world like this, with rival nation states and militaries vying for supremacy. In reality, the conflict is between humans and militarism. Militarism will kill us all, in one way or another.