Far left: we should tolerate everyone’s existence

Far right: everyone must conform to my world view

Centrist: we should do the same as the far-right, but be more polite about it.

Choosing not to make a choice is still making a choice.

“just leave me alone” but also pay me taxes, obey my law, submit to my government, and also my army will periods invade you.

Social murder is still murder, centrist.

If your policy causes people to die from preventable illness or homelessness or police violence you aren’t just being “left alone” - you’re killing people.

Neat fiction. Going to write a book?

on a more serious note, you are speaking about performance rather then content, everybody could talk like that even centrist.

Taking the legitimacy off things by calling them annoying is not fair and doesnt proof anything

“we should stop attesting, torturing and killing minorities”

centrist: leave me alone

every meme is in essence a straw man XD

you really thought you were smart here

Do you not think the far right wants to exterminate groups because they are impure?

Because the economic right is capitalism, not communism

Most right wing voters, right now, practice community level communism, or at least a communal sharing economy.

But you gotta understand that for more than a hundred years now a huge amount of tax payer and corporate money has funded the single largest propaganda campaign in world history, associating the words socialism and communism with every single bad thing that could be described using literary, visual, or audio mediums.

Add this to a society that was already made up of some of the most religious and socially conservative (read shame oriented) people in almost world history, and you have a permanent brainwashing switch that gets flipped on mere mention of specific words.

Yeah someone needs to study the death toll of far left policies.

Thank you, I know lemmy is left leaning and so am I but let’s not lose our touch with reality here. People can downvote as much as they want but I’d say you’re objectively right. Or does anyone want to place some counter argument instead of downvoting? Because I can’t think of any

To some degree, I agree, including the tendency for infighting among leftists. It’s why I’ve never liked this meme or its variations much. On the other hand, I’ve recently seen only one side actually mobilize to attack government buildings and harm people inside, and it wasn’t the left.

Anecdotally, this week at work, I heard a self-identified rightist argue for banning gay marriage. Others sitting around their table agreed. I’ve also had the privilege of hearing we should get rid of social programs, and too many jokes about killing people they don’t like. Last time I talked to a tankie and they defended oppressive policies saying the ends justify the means, folks around us made fun of them and moved on.

I think one of these groups might not be a real issue. At the very minimum, they’re definitely not as dangerous as the other one, right now. So, is the meme a bit silly? Sure. Does that matter? I don’t feel like it does.

Please don’t reply re: proper tankie political classification. It’s beside the point, I’m using them because it seems to be what most imagine when they think “far left.”

The “barely got mine and defending it” thing really sticks in other ways too.

When I wanted aid for school “sorry, we ran out. Should have gotten here earlier.”

When I wanted to get food stamps “sorry, you don’t meet the qualifications on a technicality.”

When I finally got Medicaid but couldn’t use it “not enough spots for you to be seen, sorry.”

Many times the administrators that gave me this news implied it was because too many people asked for it. Being young and stupid (and let’s face it, indoctrinated), it made me put the blame on the other people asking for aid. If there were less people that asked for aid, I wouldn’t be starving and sick. I thought that I was more worthy of the aid because some people are cheating the system and I deeply resented them.

Fortunately I grew the hell up and pulled my head out of my ass. It’s all a distraction we get fed from the news that other needy people are the reason why we suffer. It’s so hard to fathom how much the rich actually waste when all we see is our fellow working class folk.

The democrats are right wing

Don’t worry, most of us on the left hate the Democrats too, just less than the Republicans. This has been said a million times so sorry if I’m overstating it but the Democrats would be a center right wing party in most of the developed world.

Thw democrats are considered “the left” in the us? As a foreigner i have always seen them as useless centrists.

I think you might’ve accidentally added sarcasm tags to your admission.

Yeah the far leftists kinda have the problem of full com is never going to work in the states at least not for a while. We’re going to have to deal with capitalism in its current form, and that means changing how housing is done and how politics works. Eat the rich can work with centrism. Theyll say oh centrist that means you ally with the fascists! No… there are people on the right who arent that extreme that can come back left

Ah yes, despicable Hexbears, and their, checks notes, support of trans and anti-Imperialist struggles. I love being a centrist and hating such tankie-ism.

Far centrist.

But Party B gets less than 1% of the vote.

Lol, how did you get the idea Putin was a leftist?

Who killed more Soviets? The far-right, or the far-left?

Flipping through my big book titled “Victims of Communism” and it says here that the German Nazis and Italian and Spanish Fascists were both Far-Left and Victims of the Far-Left. Also, I see hear that every unborn child out to the latest generation resulting from famines common to the 1930s through the 1960s is a Victim of Communism. Nothing in the fine print about lives saved through the universalization of health care, housing, groceries, and pensions, though. Neither can I find anything about the Peace Dividend reaped by the industrialized Soviet world following the end of WW2… weird.

Also, absolutely nothing in here about the Bengal Famine, its causes or the millions of tons of relief the USSR sent to end it. So strange. Michael Parenti, do you have anything to say about this?

“During the cold war, the anticommunist ideological framework could transform any data about existing communist societies into hostile evidence. If the Soviets refused to negotiate a point, they were intransigent and belligerent; if they appeared willing to make concessions, this was but a skillful ploy to put us off our guard. By opposing arms limitations, they would have demonstrated their aggressive intent; but when in fact they supported most armament treaties, it was because they were mendacious and manipulative. If the churches in the USSR were empty, this demonstrated that religion was suppressed; but if the churches were full, this meant the people were rejecting the regime’s atheistic ideology. If the workers went on strike (as happened on infrequent occasions), this was evidence of their alienation from the collectivist system; if they didn’t go on strike, this was because they were intimidated and lacked freedom. A scarcity of consumer goods demonstrated the failure of the economic system; an improvement in consumer supplies meant only that the leaders were attempting to placate a restive population and so maintain a firmer hold over them. If communists in the United States played an important role struggling for the rights of workers, the poor, African-Americans, women, and others, this was only their guileful way of gathering support among disfranchised groups and gaining power for themselves. How one gained power by fighting for the rights of powerless groups was never explained. What we are dealing with is a nonfalsifiable orthodoxy, so assiduously marketed by the ruling interests that it affected people across the entire political spectrum.”

-Michael Parenti Blackshirts and the reds

Winston Churchill

Tankies don’t even really fit most definitions for leftism that try to use something more concrete than vibes. They just think they’re far left because they like the aesthetics of governments that tried to be or at least called themselves communist.

If we’re using the original definition of left and right, they’d technically be on the right.

The original meaning was whether or not you supported the monarchy. I’d say that a dictatorship is close enough that it applies.

Of course, politics isn’t one dimensional. Even the “political compass” isn’t really enough, here, there’s probably an axis of the political graph for each major axiom of governance.

Honestly the best descriptor for tankies is just “authoritarian communists.” That tells you where they stand better than any attempt at a spectrum or graph.

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