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It’s the usual rename and replace that Microsoft love to do.
“OneNote for Windows 10” is going to be replaced by “OneNote for Windows”
Why they always do the kill, rename and replace instead of just replace with an update? Each kill&replace operation leads to lost users…
Because they are too big to make intelligent decisions.
Neowin is the web site where their writers can stupidly claim that Qt getting an advertisement module means that KDE will have ads in their apps soon.
Stop linking to them.
Do you have more info about the source? I currently know nothing about neowin or qt, and only a little about KDE. Are other Linux news sources debunking that article?
Phoronix, It’s FOSS, Linux Journal, NixCraft, and OMG! Ubuntu are my sources.
Feature Notion Joplin Obsidian Evernote Zoho Notebook GoodNotes Zim Wiki Standard Notes MyInfo Cloud Sync Yes Yes Optional Yes Yes Yes Manual Yes Manual Offline Support Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Handwriting Support No Limited No Yes Yes Excellent No No No Encryption No Yes No Partial No No No Yes No Hierarchy Support Yes Yes Yes Yes Partial Yes Yes No Yes Free Version Yes Yes Yes Limited Yes Limited Yes Limited No Platform Support Win, macOS, iOS, Android, Web Win, macOS, Linux, iOS, Android Win, macOS, Linux Win, macOS, iOS, Android, Web Win, macOS, iOS, Android, Web iOS, iPadOS, macOS Win, Linux Win, macOS, Linux, iOS, Android, Web Windows E: I noticed a couple mistakes. Lemme know if you spot others and I can edit (at time of this writing anyways)
Excluding Google Keep?
Google
The only list any of their services should be included in is the list of things to avoid.
i don’t understand your comment
Does this explanation by ChatGPT make sense to you?
This comment seems to express a strongly negative opinion about Google. The writer is suggesting that Google’s services should not be included in any positive or useful lists. Instead, they believe that Google and its services should be on a “list of things to avoid,” implying that using Google is something people should avoid for some reason – likely due to concerns about privacy, data collection, or general distrust of the company.
now i get it!
This is unreadable on mobile in portrait mode
On Boost, the columns got narrowed to each three characters wide, just to fit all columns on screen width-wise
Perfectly readable with the Voyager App.
Thunder compresses it
thunder and wefwef/voyager are the lemy apps i use on my phone
I suggest You track, which has a Wiki component. It had extensions like Draw.IO as well for diagramming which is basically a necessity for me.
Its self hostable or a free cloud version.
Great note - thanks for the contribution.
I personally use Obsidian, but I know that other have suggested logseq. Might be useful to have in your table. Also, Obsidian does have an Android app.
I really liked OneNote.
This is not to be confused with the application called “OneNote”, that’s staying.
You can always trust Microsoft to make two version of the same application and to have really bad naming.
You can always trust Microsoft to make two version of the same application and to have really bad naming.
And to make bad naming worse naming, since they switched Office’s name to 365 Copilot, not to be confused with 365 (office premium), Copilot (ChatGPT interface), or Copilot (Office text assistant). Office was a perfectly serviceable name they’d used for decades. It’s like Twitter rebranding themselves to a single latter like Y. Why would they throw away branding like that?
People are liable to look for office, not find it, and go "oh, Microsoft doesn’t sell Word any more ☹️’
Their enterprise products as well. Azure is now Entra, all the admin page rebrandings like defender, purview, intune, the URL changes, etc.
Please just stick with a name already!!
Ms flow vs power automate… It’s like they’re not even trying anymore. And that’s pretty much what it is. Monopolies stifle innovation and development.
Yes, that one too! smh
Jack made HBO into Max. Lost all that recognition and fan support for what? Like I’m convinced more and more each day that rich people are just plain stupid.
That right there might beat Microsoft and Google name changes combined
Azure is not Entra. AAD became Entra. They did it because AAD was becoming less about Azure and covering more things than directories. So a rebranding made sense.
It’s a pretty dumb name, though. It doesn’t really mean much when you hear it, and it sounds too similar to other common words.
I got so sick of their shit. I think there were two Teams and Skype versions too. Wtf is their problem?? I just stick with LibreOffice for everything now, but eyeing OnlyOffice because of their cloud service.
OpenOffice is unmaintained, unfortunately (see the LibreOffice page explaining this); LibreOffice considers officially hosting a cloud service out of their scope butCollabora does provide hosting (and you can self-host, of course). Their “Development Edition” is the free version that doesn’t come with an SLA.
edit: I can’t read
but eyeing OnlyOffice because of their cloud service.
… oh damn, I didn’t catch that at all. First time hearing about them. (looks like the all caps thing is canonical too)
I guess they’re completely unaffiliated with LibreOffice? looks like their product is intended to feel as close to Microsoft as possible
looks like their product is intended to feel as close to Microsoft as possible
Maybe that’s why they picked a name really easy to mistake for another office software suite, to mimic Microsoft’s atrocious naming schemes :P
Yes, there was Teams (classic) and Teams (new. There’s also Outlook (new) and Outlook (classic).
There was the Snipping Tool and Snip & Sketch, it even said they were getting rid of Shipping Tool, but then they got rid of Snip & Sketch instead but the function of Snipping Tools is the same as Snip & Sketch.
How do I know which one I’m using? Are you talking about the windows store one (tablet one) being the one that’s discontinued while the one that’s bundled with o365 (desktop version) being continued?
That’s correct.
Thanks.
The OneNote Microsoft wanted to discontinue in favor of the Win10 OneNote a few years ago is staying, so they can axe the Win10 OneNote.
From 2018: https://rcpmag.com/articles/2018/04/19/onenote-desktop-app-sunset.aspx
Hell, just talking about teams in Teams is confusing enough.
Are you talking about Teams in Teams for Home or Teams for Work and School, and is it Teams or New Teams you mean?
I… I didn’t even know there were so many.
Or an Office 365 Group
Not to be confused with SharePoint groups
Fuck sharepoint to hell and back
Teams (Classic), actually.
Which is sometimes called Onenote 2016, bundled with Office. I think. Pretty sure there’s a third version too.
And it’s a web/Electron app anyways. At least the O365-connected version is.
TwoNotes
Would
Go outside and touch grass, my dude 😂
Not grass, gonna touch thing ass
Two apps, OneNote.
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Well shit. Time to rip my own files because their migration stuff is going to be all Microsoft proprietary.
This really pisses me off. I have so much shit in OneNote and use it regularly.
Until they make a proper upgrade to my surface 10, I will have no other choice but to stay on the windows 10 version.
clears throat
Surface Linux Kernel. Surface 10 supported.
Some distros of Linux that have SLK rolled in:
- Based on fedora
- Made by GloriousEggroll who also is responsible for protonGE a great derivative of the Steam Proton compatibility layer for playing windows games on Linux
- Development and maintaining it is done by a single dude, so if something happens to him, that’s the project done, this is not in the Pros section.
- for when you really just want your surface device to be running Android
- immutable distro, makes it easier to undo fuck ups, and often prevents them happening at all
- seems fairly mature and robust, I don’t know for a fact as I haven’t used it
- for when you want to put a bit more effort in
- the instructions here are from building Gentoo locally using and Arch LiveISO
- FOR WHEN YOU WANT TO PUT MORE EFFORT IN
These were the really easy to find options. There’s absolutely going to be more that have SLK rolled in…but that’s not actually necessary, as the SLK git has easy to follow instructions on rolling it into whatever distro might interest you. The whole Linux universe is your oyster.
I have a Surface Pro 4, and I run Nobara, works great, better than windows. There are some hardware things that don’t 100% work on some surface devices. Here is the Supported device list and Features Matrix. Looks like the SP10 doesn’t like to hibernate, and doesn’t have working cameras atm.
Doesn’t really solve my OneNote problem, as I run it on no fewer than 7 macOS, windows, iOS, and android devices.
Joplin has apps for all UNIX-likes(Mac, Win and Lin,) iOS(phone and pad variants), and Android. It can import Evernote and OneNote. It’s built to E2EE notes to cloud services, currently supporting: Joplin Cloud, Nextcloud, S3, WebDAV, Dropbox, OneDrive or the local file system.
If you’d like to fully tell M$ to get fucked…I can recommend self hosting NextCloud.
Not incredibly difficult to set up, I’m fairly fluent in Linux systems…but by no means a “Wizard”, and my self hosting knowledge is extremely minimal.There’s other options out there, but Joplin has all the apps…
@Sturgist
Just dont why this executable is growing as hell in size… Look at the windows exe sizehttps://github.com/laurent22/joplin/releases
Oct 23 : 229mb
Now : 324mbSince you tagged @realitista@lemm.ee I’ll do the same so they see my counter…argument?
In it’s first release(2017) it was 50.3MB.
In Nov, 2024, it was 340MB. Oct, 2024, 327MB
6th Jan, 2024: 266MB
24th Oct, 2023: 229MB
21st Oct, 2023: 180MB
30th Jul, 2023: 214MB
23rd Jun, 2023: 196MBThis is a very active project, things are added constantly, then optimised or tweaked or removed. Going through the releases it looks like their install packages get bigger over the span of a few months, then through optimisation gets shrunk down again. The above numbers are only for the windows full install package, but all their different packages have a very similar pattern of bloat followed by trimming. I don’t see how this is weird at all.
What about this is actually concerning for you?
Do any of those focus primarily on handwriting for input and support macOS, android, and windows for offline input?
See point #2. Hand written notes can be kept as is, one thing that’s not mentioned in that link is that Joplin can also use OCR to change handwriting to typed.
That’s a Markdown editor with a separate drawing tool, not a notes app focused on handwriting. You can’t annotate a PDF or typed text or edit a drawing after it’s been created.
Not at all comparable.
Big thanks for this. Been thinking about what to do with my daughter’s Surface Book once Win10 is EOL and it looks like Nobara will be the first and hopefully final stop.
No worries bud! It really makes me angry what M$ is doing here, obviously they’re not alone in being a cause of our eWaste “addiction”…but this is really a situation that should be opening people’s eyes. Apple is bad for it too. Their laptops have a fairly short lifecycle, and unless you want/can to put Linux on your MacBook whatever, it’s no longer secure after usually about 5 years. Intentionally driving the disposable culture, buy, use briefly, replace for arguably too much, repeat.
Have her try Nobara for a week, but tell her it’s hardly the only option! With how easy it is to include SLK into (almost?) any distro, I really wasn’t kidding when I said the Linux Universe is your oyster! Hell, you could compile your own distro if you’re a masochist!
Looks like I made a good decision deciding to move from onenote to obsidian last month. I like that it is a fancy mark down editor so I can just move my text files some where else if I decide to not use Obsidian in the future. When it comes to onenote functionality of being able to draw or paste where ever I want the excalidraw plugin which is open source has met my needs.
Been nice to move to something that is multi platform.
Obsidian is a fancy markdown editor with metadata, sync, indexing, data querying and views and a lively ecosystem of plugins. It has everything except being open source.
I use QOwnNotes. It is open source and works with nextcloud/owncloud, files are stored in plain text so if you wanted to switch to something else it should be pretty simple.
It would be incredible to have a self hosted web UI but that’s a tall ask. Instead I’ve been using Quartz to generate a static site from hot reloading which seems to cover this end to a degree.
While OneNote for Windows 10 still has roughly half a year, Microsoft will start nagging users with update prompts much earlier. For starters, in June 2025, Microsoft will slow down the app’s sync performance, thus forcing customers to ditch the old app, especially those using OneNote on multiple devices or for real-time collaboration.
Next, in July 2025, banners will make their way to OneNote for Windows 10 to make sure users are aware of the upcoming end of support. Microsoft says these banners “could impact users workflows.” You do not say, Microsoft.
Wait. You’re gonna throttle them and then wait a month to tell them why you’re throttling them? What?
Thats so shitty
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They’re only killing the crappy store/UWP version that nobody used anyway and only caused confusion. The normal OneNote bundled in Office isn’t going anywhere as far as I know.
That said, I’ve moved a lot of my note taking to Obsidian. It’s not a perfect replacement but it’s a fantastic markdown editor and now I use both for different use cases.
It was a really good app for quite a bit and had the best inking experience compared to the non-UWP version. A few years back they announced merging the features to the Win32 version and it has since been more or less on par now.
They’re just moving to the app store version.
Obsidian with self hosted live sync is what I switched to and found it’s actually better.
I’ve found Joplin acceptable.
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I wouldn’t exactly call that the hallmark of OneNote, but okay. Have you tried Saber?
I use Joplin and OneNote, on an MS Surface. OneNote handles hand writing great, but it’s also just a notes app that works great with typing and pictures and everything.
I use OneNote quite frequently at work. It’s so much more than a “handwriting app”… Hell, I use it often enough that I started using it at home years ago. However, I much prefer FOSS alternatives for my personal and home use, so I use Joplin Notes paired to a backup server I run on my home lab, that way they sync across all my devices just like OneNote does.
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Can’t you reinstall it? Or install an older version? Obligatory fuck Microsoft.
I like Joplin, it could work for me but about 6 months ago I had to quit. My use case is against my s3 instance (not amazon) with 3 devices syncing. It became corrupt everytime.
Has this improved?
Microsoft is working hard to get you to transition to a Linus Distribution. Thank you microsoft for your hard work and dedication.
People will never switch. I see at my work how colleagues just learn how to accept the endless shit without even reacting to it anymore.
Like US politics… 🤮
Every time Netflix raises prices their subscriber numbers jump. There are people out there who pay for Netflix with ads.
I have some niche software for my racecar I can’t seem to get to run on Linux and it’s the only reason I’m still on Windows. Although now that I’ve finally got a new desktop, I can dual boot again.
Oh and I run a few games via the Xbox app so that kinda keeps me on there as well.
