Neat. I wish I could do that. I tried several years ago when I actually had some money because I saw this coming. Nobody wanted disabled people then, and less so Americans now.
People wouldn’t listen back then, when I was called hyperbolic and alarmist, and good fucking luck leaving now. People think leaving is easy – it’s not. We’re stuck in this shit show.
Can’t fix it, can’t leave. Going down with the ship. Fuck everyone who voted to kill me. I will not survive this administration. I’ll probably die within the year because, though I worked my ass off in IT since the 90s, I had to burn through my savings by being weak enough to get sick. *I already have to choose between food and medicine, so I mostly don’t eat. I’ll just stop buying medicine.
So fuck me, I deserve to die now. There’s no escape. There’s no hope.
I just want to say i live in a safe area kinda and have room if you want to survive next 4 years in a progressive state in the middle of the woods but near jobs.
Mutual support like that is what’s going to make the world a better place, keep it up, it’s just what the world needs right now
That’s very kind of you, thanks, truly.
I am lucky I live on the border of a blue state. If I got to bug out, then I can.
Is the blue state Canada?
If you haven’t left yet how do you know you will be able to? You take for granted your freedom. I don’t think allowing you to move will be in the cards eventually.
You’ll be able to move between states until civil war is declared.
Get it while it’s hot.
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Lilly I’m so sorry this is happening and as a disabled woman, I get it. We’re bottom of the ladder, and nobody cares. Feel free to lean on the sisterhood in [email protected] we really do get it… it’s not much but its all I have to offer you.
Thank you. I really appreciate your support, and I hope you’re weathering this as best as possible.
Np we need to look out for each other right now
For the small chance that you have german ancestors, you can claim back their citizenship if they suffered under the nazi regime
wish that were true if you had Dutch ancestors. My maternal Grandfather immigrated with his parents when he was a little boy and came through Ellis Island. I’ve tried looking before, but from what I could, that wouldn’t qualify me for Dutch citizenship, sadly. Otherwise, I’d probably jump at it.
You might be able to get permanent residence first and then apply for citizenship. I recall meeting a Canadian in Amsterdam who did that.
My German ancestors came here in the 1840s. That’s too far back for me lmao.
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If you have any traceable Italian citizenship it is possible to claim Italian citizenship. Even like great-great-great-great-grandparents. But there’s a lot of asterisks involved. There are offices that specialize in this that might help (for a fee).
But if you DO qualify and get all the paperwork and get an appointment and approved, you get full citizenship immediately. Italy always considered you a citizen since birth but did not know about you.
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Italy put a stop to this like, a few days ago. Damn. Now it’s maximum grandparents. https://www.imidaily.com/europe/italy-adopts-decree-restricting-citizenship-by-descent/
Should’ve figured with all the anti-immigrant sentiment this would be ending soon.
It has 60 days to be approved by parliament and there’s a lot of squawking about it being unconstitutional by immigration attorneys. As gross as it is, the more nationalist fucks are also against it for fairly racist reasons. They can’t stand the idea of Muslims getting citizenship before anyone else 🤮
I’m hoping if it does pass, it’ll still leave a route to citizenship for Italian descendants. We were literally getting ready to file when this dropped.
I missed my window for Irish citizenship by decent, was literally asking my grandma to do her ICD but they changed it before she did it, but my grandad was first generation born here. I gotta look into this now
Good luck! If your granddad was Italian and you need any help getting the required supporting documentation, I know a great genealogist.
Yuppers, gonna look into it on my own first and see what I can get from my grandad 🫡 thank you
I wouldn’t mind the contact, in case this bill is not passed in Italian parliament!
Sure thing. It’s Tara Pellegrino from mypassporttoitaly.com . Good luck!
Welsh, Scottish, Danish, exclusively. It’s funny, because one side came here in the early 1600s and was the first person to get capital punishment in this country (tried to sell the Bronck’s Farm, was hanged ‘til nearly dead, ear cut off, then banished to New Jersey), then another was Postmaster General and Secretary of the Interior – heritage is weird. And it doesn’t always pass on, no matter what these purists think.
You don’t inherit value, you create it.
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And this guy (my great uncle, grandpa’s brother)
banished to New Jersey
That’s almost as bad as being banished to Detroit.
Yeah it’s really hard. Most won’t qualify.
If you’re a skilled researcher or tenured professor you have a better shot but it will still not be easy.
Most Americans have absolutely no clue how involved the immigration process actually is. Unless you have specific skills, have immediate family in the country you’re going, or are loaded… 95 times out of 100 you’re not going anywhere.
Although where there’s a will there’s a way. You get a tourist visa, overstay, marry a local.
I’m glad I’m a dual citizen with money stashed away in both the US and the country I was born. If shit gets too bad in the US, I can lay low elsewhere while things calm down.
Yep… and if you managed to pass the initial barriers of immigration, but have elderly parents that you’re concerned about, there’s 0 chance they’re getting into the country you were allowed into unless they’re already loaded. That’s the only way for the elderly.
just remember that you become the most dangerous and powerful when you have nothing left to lose.
This is foolish. People need to stay and fight, or go into hiding. A cushy, public position at a university in Canada won’t protect you if things go that far. Canada has little to no bargaining power against the US.
If they want you, they’ll get you one way or another.
only a fool would stay and fight, and get killed. did you even read any history books, germany before ww2 began, all the scientist fled, and then RUSSIA from cold war til now.
Then go hide if that’s what you think. My point is Canada is not much safer than the US.
Timothy Synder left for Canada too…
That’s two less canaries in the coalmine.
Canaries were taken into coal mines to warn the miners of poisionous gasses by dropping dead. When the canary metaphorically picks the lock on its metaphorical cage and literally makes a break for the border, I think you can consider that a sign of a similar magnitude.
It’d take more than pulling a passport to prevent the average citizen from illegally entering Canada and claiming refugee status
But I understand the concerns, especially with this steadfast bullshit about Canada being the 51st state.
Shits fucked, yo.
I don’t think you can claim refugee status in Canada if you are an American citizen.
I knew an Albertan who went to Texas and claimed political refugee status after the trucker rally. Eventually they came back.
When you claim refugee status like this, what happens to any assets you have in US banks? Do those get blocked? Any property you own in the US, what happens to that?
It’s not as though an international bank gives a fuck.
The same way I can pull money from my international bank in Canada currently, I could as a refugee.
I just looked it up, and a few banks I’ve heard of do seem to be international (HSBC, Chase, etc), but it doesn’t seem to be the default case for US banks.
I have a feeling Americans fleeing the consequences of their disaster politics may not receive the warmest welcome in Canada. There’s a lot of animosity and a lot of it is warranted.
Don’t disagree. But the majority of Americans didn’t vote for this. Our system is just out-dated and has been slowly rigged over decades to benefit the few over the many. MOST Americans have never wanted Trump to be President. Many have spent years trying to get others to understand the consequences of his first election, and what is now his second term.
But the voices of the many, are easily drowned out by the voices of the few who enough resources to purchase all our social spaces (Twitter / Facebook) and fill it with bad actors posing as other Americans who spout oligarch rhetoric.
But our oligarchy have only radicalized a minority of us, not the majority.
So while I understand your frustration with Americans, at least 1/3 of them have been fighting against this shit for a long time, and another 1/3 have done nothing. (Which is a different conversation
The point is - this bullshit is now bleeding into Canada and the rest of the world. So the Americans who have lost their country to it might have the best information to share about preventing it.
“Divide and Conquer” is the name of the game, and now that the US is Divided between right and left, billions of dollars of disinfo is now getting aimed your way instead.
With “Canada hates Americans” being the headline Trump wants to see in order to invade you. This is why anti-American rhetoric is being pushed to you, and why anti-Canadian rhetoric is being pushed to us.
We’ve only been allies until now, and the majority of Americans want Canada to be safe from what just happened to us.
also MSM have been airing trump propaganda non-stop for the whole of 2024.
This is why anti-American rhetoric is being pushed to you
As a Canadian, I can assure you the anti-american sentiment does not come from any rhetoric being pushed. The actions of trump and co are quite enough.
Oh I don’t disagree at all there either.
I should have been more clear in that SOME of what’s being pushed to you is rhetoric. (Especially with the Poilievre side of the media being almost identical to MAGA in that way.)
I never meant to imply that anti-American sentiment is ONLY from rhetoric. It’s been embarrassing to be an American for years now, so likewise I understand the feeling of disgust towards us and our behaviour.
But a large reason we are in this position is because we became divided on the wrong issues. Every conversation and headline became blaming Dems or the GOP for where we are instead of the oligarchs that have financed both parties for decades. The project 2025 BS is their wet dream, and Trump just needed their money to win and stay out of jail. Selling us all out to them to do so.
So now that I see that same money heading Canada’s way, to likewise divide you against yourselves and us - I feel it’s worth noting caution. Be sceptical of inflammatory headlines, and wary of others that downplay obviously bad things like a politicians criminal record. (wtf America).
But blaming the majority of American citizens is like blaming the majority of Russian ones at this point. It’s Putin / Trumps desires our governments are acting on, not our own.
The biggest difference is most of us have guns, and aren’t afraid to Luigi them towards our oligarchs. Fingers crossed we solve this one way or another before it affects other countries worse than ours.
Are you Canadian? I have some Canadian friends and their vibe is mostly pity and offering to help if needed. I hope Canadians aren’t upset at Americans as a whole, and I generally don’t get that vibe. Obviously I only know Canadians that know me, so they’re predisposed to being nice to me lol.
Yeah I say this living less than 30 mins from the border lol. The other response is not just out of touch of the relationship at the border but also not understanding how refugee status works.
I’m sorry to say it, but I think you’ll find the world is upset with Americans as a whole. You really shit the proverbial bed on this one. A few people that know you personally probably isn’t a good indication of the welcome you’re going to receive en mass, especially in countries that are being explicitly targeted, like Canada. I’m not saying it’s right, I’m just saying maybe temper your expectations.
Gotta remember that line from MIB: “A person is smart. People are dumb, panicky, dangerous animals”
We’re a lot less upset now that we see people actually fighting back - the protests, town hall zoos, Teslas spontaneously combusting…
I’m torn between disgust overall and pity and wanting to help. The thing that leans me towards the latter instead of the former is that I can see the right here in Canada trying to follow america’s footsteps…
I’m empathetic towards those who voted against this, but disgusted with the country on the whole.
Thanks for your insight as an actual Canadian lol. We really are (and have been) trying to get this under control for years at this point. We appreciate you understanding that and seeing that at least it’s not all of us.
One of my Canadian friends parents have trump signs in their yard and they are Canadian and have never been American or even to America. It’s really crazy that this is happening so many places. At least we can hope that people see where it’s left us and start actually changing their minds for the better for their own country. What happened with Le Pen recently might have happened regardless, but after seeing what not punishing officials leads to, I hope other countries learn from our mistakes.
Good luck up there. I’m sorry this is where we are, but hopefully not for long.
I’m not sure that’s relevant. Nobody chooses to become a refugee, it is a final act of desperation.
If the people fleeing are nazis or sat around like idiots instead of voting the right way, then sure.
If a good American goes to Canada and gets treated like a nazi just because he’s American, then that American has simply found one of the shitty Canadians to avoid. One less thing to think about.
I guess he wants to get a job there, find an apartment and then fly his family on an airplane instead sneaking in through the forest at night hoping he can spend couple months in a refugee camp whiles his application is being processed.
That’s dumb. If there’s ever a Hitler-level problem a reasonably fit guy like him can just cross through the woods into canada in several places. Stay and fight. Elon’s defeat in Wisconsin today shows that as lame as it sounds, voting does work. If you actually do it.
What can someone like this do from the US that he couldn’t do from Canada?
Vote and legally fund candidates
Please tell me this user name and these comments are a bit.
Moving abroad is different to giving up citizenship and doesn’t remove your right to vote or fund candidates.
In a sense it is a bit, in that it encourages people to call me out for being wrong as here. And in this case, I admit I made an assumption that is unclear in hindsight, which was that the guy was leaving permanently.
what do you mean “if there’s ever”? People are being blackbagged off the street in broad daylight by secret police and sent to torture prisons…
Yeah but that’s not going to entrench Trump’s power since those people can’t vote. I’m talking about stuff like Jan 6, but successful. Cancelling elections, arresting opposition candidates, etc. Everything they’re doing now will come to an end after the next election.
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Never thought I would see a flood of Americans refugees coming to Canada to escape a tyrannical government…
I guess that’s what you get when you elect a criminal with dementia as president.
Getting close to Handmaid’s Tale every day.
Really? People have been talking about it since the Bush administration. Until now things hadn’t gotten bad enough for people to actually do it in large numbers, but people saying that if the Republicans win they’d move to Canada has been repeated so often over the decades that it became a bit of a joke.
Trump 2.0 is WAY worse than any Bush.
I know, but it’s the “never thought” part that I’m disputing. People have been thinking of this situation for a long time.
Agree - if people were thinking it before, now they are DOING.
Remember when we thought Bush was bad? God I’d love to have him instead
I can’t believe GWB = good old days now. My how we’ve fallen
Without the crucial steps the W Bush admin took, there would be no Trump. It’s not that Trump isn’t worse but they are part of the same fascist movement, just further developed.
We are talking people fleeing the USA for their lives. This is Trump phenomena as he is demonizing and literally going after dissenters.
Bush Jr. started doing that. I recall seeing protestors who opposed the Iraq invasion being arrested for dissent. Remember Dixie Chicks? Yeah, they got cancelled for that. And, lets also not forget about the random violence against anyone remotely kinda like an Arab, to include Punjabis, Liberians, Somalians, Burmese, etc.
I feel like waaaay too many people forgot about post 9-11 shit.
Those who forget post 9-11 bullshit are doomed to repeat it. They were beating up Sikhs no fucks given.
Plus don’t forget Bush Jr was NOT ELECTED he lost the election and became president anyway.
Uh, noooo. He got 5 out of 9 votes, fair and square, and won. It was a landmark decision.
I mean… There was that whole Vietnam draft thing in the 60s/70s…
love America because it doesn’t have kings
I’m not convinced a president who can act with greater impunity than a king in any modern monarchy is better.
I read that a lot, “we don’t have a king, thank cod”. Is it because you’ve seen what a hell hole e.g. the Scandinavian countries are? /s
A king in a modern monarchy is nothing more than a representative of the country. He cuts ribbons and holds encouraging speeches on New Year’s. That’s pretty much it.
Most modern monarchies don’t act like this.
Back when the Queen was still alive, Stephen Fry described her role as being “as if Uncle Sam was a real person.” Meaning, being a sort of personification of the country without actually holding any real power over it. I’m not a huge fan of the British monarchy, but if we have to have one I’m at least glad it’s limited to being essentially a powerless tourist attraction.
That doesn’t mean we want one
A strong Parliament/Congress and judicial system is what keeps any executive in check. We’ve just got the worst of both worlds.
The role of a monarch in modern countries is to be a ruler in name only, that way there is no place for another wannabe ruler. There can be only 1.
You make it sound as if that was the point from the jump, rather than them being a vestigial organ you refuse to get rid of.
It was historically what they agreed to. That is their purpose in modern times. Not hard to understand.
That is the purpose they adopted to continue to live at taxpayer expense.
Also not that hard to understand, yall Europeans can be backwards af about this.
I’m not European. You’ll understand fast enough why many countries do this when the US gets a wannabe king, because the position isn’t taken 😂
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While Fuck Trump, there is something deeply disturbing and creepy about constitutional monarchs.
You don’t think that amongst their families in quiet hushed tones, they discuss and yearn for the prospect of returning to real power someday? They’re basically tyrants-in-waiting. They’re just quietly hanging out in the background, waiting for some crisis in democracy, some loss of confidence in the system, etc. Then, when confidence in democracy is at some historical nadir, they can sweep in and restore themselves to power and glory.
They’re vultures. They’re just biding their time, living the high life, pretending to be kind, benevolent, and harmless. Yet deep in their heart of hearts, they yearn for the power they know was taken from them. They know their ancestors had it. And they want it back.
You don’t think it could happen? Democracy hasn’t existed in European countries for all that long. There are many examples historically of royal restorations where royal houses returned to power, after periods out of power far longer than the existence of many European constitutional monarchies. The idea of a royal restoration returning the King of Norway to real power seems absurd. But by historical standards it’s really not that absurd. Monarchy in Europe existed as a tradition for over a thousand years. Constitutional monarchy is just 1-2 centuries old, or less, in most European countries. Rome’s Republic lasted half a millennia before it collapsed into an absolute monarchy. Don’t dismiss the idea that the monarchs could return to power. I have little doubt that most of today’s constitutional monarchs secretly dream and fantasize about the idea.
And that’s what’s so creepy about them. They may claim to truly believe in democracy. But if they really did, they would give up their crowns entirely. No one who really believes in democracy could accept a position that puts them as a monarch, someone entrusted by power from right of birth. Democracy begins with the proposition that all human beings are created equal. A monarch, however limited in power, is anathema to this. I don’t care how constrained that power is. You cannot truly believe in democracy while serving as a monarch. In their hearts, every “constitutional monarch” dreams of the slim chance that they might see a royal restoration. They are vultures, simply waiting for democracy to get sick and stumble.
Truly, the French and the Soviets had the right idea on how to deal with royalty. Give up your crown or give up your head. That is how you deal with kings properly.
In December 2022, German authorities foiled a far-right coup attempt orchestrated by members of the Reichsbürger (Citizens of the Reich) movement, a group that denies the legitimacy of modern Germany and seeks to restore the German Empire. The plot involved plans to overthrow the federal government, storm the Bundestag (parliament), and install Heinrich XIII Prince Reuss, a descendant of the former German aristocracy, as the new head of state. The conspirators envisioned a monarchist government modeled on the pre-World War I German Reich
I’d be afraid to announce it until I’m out
I’m a US American who has been considering expatriating, but its too expensive.
Can someone tell me if my passport gets pulled, do I not have to pay the expatriation tax on my net worth?
I’m positive they will tax you all the same
Please don’t give him ideas.
It is incredibly unlikely that the republicans pull passports. They are very much dependent on people to be placated and insist “it is just temporary and I am going to live my life”. Passports are owned/used by predominantly upper middle class families who are the most likely to try to ignore the republicans while bitching and moaning that somebody is being rude and protesting in front of a Starbucks. Take away their passports and now this impacts them rather than just “trump, biden, whatever. Groceries are still expensive and I am just going to live my life and go on vacation to Italy this year”.
Historically? Yes, fascist regimes do that. That is also incredibly ineffective. We are more likely to see the China/Russia model where political crimes become increasingly prevalent (see: attacking a tesla is terrorism). The other reason to pull passports is for draft purposes. And the US Military, for as massive as it is, is not one that can be run by drafted soldiers. But republicans are also fucking idiots so… we’ll see.
So… if you can get out, get the hell out.
They already did pull the passports of transgender people. Clearly you’re not paying attention.
I was going to say the same thing. They started this back in January. Both taking the passports of people with an X gender identification on their passports as well as confiscating the legal documents of trans people attempting to renew their passports (birth certificates, social security cards, driver’s licenses, etc.).
“Papers please”
Naturalized citizens and trans people are definitely at the point of concern about passports being revoked
Don’t need to pull passports when ICE can just pretend anyone they pick up doesn’t have one.
And dispose of it if someone actually is carrying it.
“it’s never going to happen” until it happens
How many “it’s incredibly unlikely the republicans do this” are we past now? Because it sure as hell is a ton
The “why” is important to understand.
“It won’t happen because it is illegal” or “it won’t happen because the military will save us” is patently stupid and an indicator that people aren’t paying attention.
“It probably won’t happen because it undermines their goals and the countries trump et al worships don’t do it” is actually assessing where their control comes from.
The danger with assuming everything bad will happen because it is bad is that you just give people “lines” that are easily avoided. Or quick ways to say “Oh, it isn’t THAT bad. They aren’t ACTUALLY setting babies on fire”
Are you willing to take that risk?
Because I wouldn’t
Though, hell, it’d already be too late for me, as I’m trans. Thankfully I don’t live in the US
The republicans are actively trying to erase and eradicate trans people. And, at the best of times, the democrats don’t care enough to fight. One of the most important things to understand is that your political party/affiliation probably doesn’t give a shit about you (a sadly not uniquely Asian American experience)
But there are countless “concessions” and horrors coming everyone’s way. So why fixate on something that is unlikely to happen and which all evidence points against? Even the attack on trans people was more about dead naming and causing emotional pain but the upper middle class (and above) trans folk were able to get revised passports pretty quick.
Because hurting trans folk? That is just ratings. Restricting the upper middle class? THAT is how you get people in the streets AND piss off news networks enough that they show it. Because that news anchor who is just keeping his head down? He has a vacation coming up.
Which is why:
So… if you can get out, get the hell out.
Wait
What happens if they try to pull my passport but I don’t have one
You get put in holding indefinitely? Or go to El Salvador.
I know this isn’t related to the article but I would love it as a fuck you to Trump if Canada started allowing political refugees from the states
My fear would be our MAGAts would lie tou you, claim they were never MAGA, get in, and start the same shit there.
they would have to scrub their entire social medias, they can barely work their iphones half the time.
Just so you know, Canada’s version of the NSA actually hosted NSA staff or provided signal intelligence to US agencies so they could circumvent the “no spying on us citizens” part of many laws.
We do know how to profile people and have done it internally quite well for some time. Our blind spot is more international due to being the US lapdog. But that will change soon enough.
Unfortunately they’re already here :(
One of them commented on requiring vaccine papers when coming into Canada. I told him to join his buddies down south.
Exactly
It’ll take a lot more than words and guns
A whole lot more than riches and muscle
The hands of the many must join as one
And together we’ll cross the river
Who gets to turn into the fire breathing t-rex?
I still sometimes go back and rewatch the edit for the SWTOR cutscene to that song
So good
Come to the Netherlands: https://dutchreview.com/expat/30-percent-ruling-netherlands/
I’d love to but I honestly have no idea where to start. That 30 percent ruling is interesting.
Is there a path to an eu passport? Is there an age restriction?
There is no “EU” passport, only passports of countries in the EU. I’m pretty sure you have to be 18 to attempt to immigrate (although that doesn’t stop many teenagers from going for it by working under the table until they can get a legit job to sponsor them, and pls do not think I’m encouraging that!)
I’m welllllll over 18. Usually most socialized medicine countries are less interested in you the older you are.
We have two American families in our 'hood whose husbands/wives are well into their 40s (both moved because of the situation in the States, one has a non-binary child). So, looks like it can be done.
If you’re hot and willing to pay, I’ll marry you.
I’m frequently warm and already married but the Dutch are super progressive with all that right?
Can someone share the text for those of us who don’t have 30 minutes to disable cookies on a broken UI
!lemmysilver
There are tons of articles in English about the 30% ruling just search for it. There are two official government sites, again in English, but they are kind of dry.
