So they wouldn’t let ICE inside their house to search for the grandmother, correct?
And then days later, ICE suddenly decides that the mom and granddaughter have “gang ties”, correct?
Riiiiiiiiight. Having “gang ties” is now the equivalent of cops planting a crack pipe on you.
The government said that Berrios’ apprehension was driven in part because she is an associate of the violent gang MS-13, which has Salvadoran roots.
According to the current regime and their brownshirts, everyone with either Latin family or with a Latin name is associated with a violent gang, and they don’t bother to demonstrate it in court.
This is exactly the hell we’ve been trying to prevent for fifty years, and failed.
This is sadly also getting to be familiar:
“No, it’s false. My mother, she works really hard since she was really little, and she never had anything to do with gangs or anything like that,” Cruz Berrios said during a recent interview on CNN, adding that her mother came to the U.S. in part to flee gang activity.
Would she really admit to being associated with MS-13 if she was? No.
Guilty until proven innocent then?
Fuck you
You’re assuming that they haven’t already got their proof. People are arrested and held until trial all the time.
This person hasn’t been thrown in jail or deported yet btw. They got arrested like someone would when they’ve been accused of a crime. It’s now up to them to prove that she is a criminal or she’ll be let go.
Fuck you. Gestapo supporting trash.
Man I hate aussies
That’s fine, we don’t like you either :)
You guys are insane. You’re saying that we should just believe everyone when they say they’re not a criminal lol. Criminals would never lie, would they? Hahahaha
I guess you’re the expert on criminals since your entire shithole country descended from them
I love y’all. My old man moved from Australia to the USA. If like to think if my mother was Australian and my father American, I’d be living a happier life. Enjoy the Barbie
Kidnapped*
This is why I’ll never understand anti-gun lefties. Keep getting abducted by the authoritarian state.
Yeah, you’re real tough buddy. I’m sure you would have shot every cop. They’d learn real quick not to mess with you!
So many gun laws exist today because Black Panthers doing cop watch. Basically they were across the street from police watching them during traffic stops with their guns out and it lead to a lot less people getting killed or mistreated during traffic stops. That’s kind of a simplified history of it.
In my area police made some policies that lasted for more than a decade about not patrolling a certain area and then needing to respond with a shitton of officers if there’s more than 2 people involved in a “potentially volatile situation” due to a bunch of people shaking a cop car and telling them to f off 20 years ago.
So blasting all quasi legal unmarked cops/ice isn’t realistic or necessarily what most 2A people advocate there’s plenty of history and merit in letting them know that people can potentially fight back, probably easier than you think to scare them considering a lot of the modern training is fear based
Lol wear a ski mask and go break a car window while someone is inside it, you’ll make it no further than 3 cars.
Don’t get trapped in individualist thinking
https://dallasexpress.com/city/armed-far-leftists-block-dallas-homeless-vagrant-camp-clean-up/
I think there is an increasing amount of people willing to be that tough guy tbh
You don’t have to be tough, just have very poor judgment
Knowing that a cop doesn’t care about your life and will kill you without hesitation is boot licking?
That’s not at all what I’m saying, but if the populace at large was armed these fascists wouldn’t be so bold as to break into people’s cars. These SS officers of the current day should be afraid to carry out their evil. The problem is we’re so full of ourselves we’ve turned into pussies who are actually complacent with how the state disrespects us. Why do you think the working class keeps losing ground every year? We’re more productive and efficient every day, but we lose more and more economic and social power by the minute.
But sure just keep calling me a tough guy while offering no real answers. I’d bet when they’re knocking on your door you’ll have wished you had something to protect yourself. I’m telling you now, America is cooked.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_worker_deaths_in_United_States_labor_disputes
Every concession labor has won from the capitalists was bought with blood. The state serves the interests of capital and the workers have always had to defend themselves.
The population at large is armed, though. There’s more guns than people in this country.
The problem is that no one is willing to use those guns to stop this.
I almost never see folks open carrying around me or anywhere I travel. Sure there are a lot of guns, but a lot of those guns are owned by a smaller group of people. I can’t speak for most states, but it’s completely legal to carry in mine, yet only right-wingers do. That’s a problem IMO.
Yeah just like all those “tough guys” that resisted Nazi occupation. Guess they were real silly to risk their lives for their freedom
people who are “super to the left” might be against guns, probably not moderate dems, or closer to center right.
That’s usually not how it goes though. The famous quote goes, “If you go far enough left, you get your guns back.” Though the further I engage with those far leftists the more I dislike their means to get to their end. At least IMO, American center to mild left is pretty anti-gun.
How dense are you?
What does density have to do with anything?
Here’s a hint: it’s (enlightened centrist/white moderate) liberals, not lefties, who are anti-gun.
It’s absolutely not just them on the left that want to restrict guns.
That’s true, but leftists know that since everybody else has one, I should too. That unicorns and rainbows version of liberalism is what gets you disappeared.
It’s pretty much not the left at all, only liberals. I mean, sure, there are a few (delusional/suicidal) left pacifists like hippies and whatnot, but “gun control” people are almost universally centrist authoritarians.
I don’t see the need for labels in this regard. Right now, people of all types and backgrounds are picking up firearrns. Many people who were previously opposed are now seeing the need.
Wouldn’t it be equally bad for her to brandish her weapon of fire at them?
For her alone in this situation? Yes, it would very likely be even worse for her (but still a silver lining if she were to take out an ICE agent or a few too). But if a community is armed and prepared to defend their members it makes it vastly harder for these fascists to just come and abduct people like this.
Guns alone are not the answer here. But guns paired with community is at least a .Major part of the answer.
Basically the black panthers open carrying and intimidating cops into behaving themselves.
The ideal would be if the entire neighborhood made the Gestapo agents disappear. No “witnesses”. Nobody saw jack shit.
Then the state will have to escalate by becoming tankies: sending mechanized artillery against civilian populations. But it’s hard to do that quietly and EVEN MORE people might get alarmed enough to take up arms against tyranny.
But I just don’t think it’s… likely.
People are too wounded and exhausted already.
There is no revolutionary spirit in the masses.
The economic hardship has done its job as intended.
People are too wounded and exhausted already.
There is no revolutionary spirit in the masses.
The economic hardship has done its job as intended.
Those three sentences describe my country around the 50’s and 60’s. And nonetheless, at some point, the people started organizing and the political police then had their fair share of scares, with agents and even teams being beaten to an inch of their lives.
The police had developed a fear tactic where around dinner time a few unmarked cars would park in the street and a few civilian clothed people would get out, calmly, walk up to a building door, enter, knock on the door they were going to enter, making sure they were noticed by the entire building or neighbourhood, kick the door down if nobody answered and drag people out - men, women, children, no matter - kicking and screaming, by their hair, and throw them in the cars, to never be seen again.
At some point, people snapped. Entire buildings started “welcoming” the agents, the door locked and the agents beaten by a dozen people or more, dragged out, thrown into their cars and driven away to be dumped somewhere and the cars destroyed by fire. The targeted family/house would be spirited away by the resistance, then linked to the communist party.
My own grandfather had his fair share of beatings and not even carrying a gun spared him. One guy told him he had a limited supply of bullets and even if he and a few others were to die, there were plenty to beat him to death after he ran out of bullets.
There is a point where everyone snaps and loses all fear.
You guys have a lot of guns in civilian hands. It is a matter of time until someone throws their life away and kills a few men hiding behind badges.
I was thinking the other day that if the median decline in quality of life had taken place over a handful of years vs several generations, the fightback would have still been there. The slow decline seems to have just sapped all will, belief, and even values.
In a nation where we don’t have to constantly protect ourselves from the state, we should not need to be saturated with deadly weapons.
Unfortunately, that is not the state of things in this nation.
I’m the most staunch anti-gun European guy you can get, and even I’m starting to come around to that mindset in the case of the US. Of course it’s absolutely horrible because it implies y’all going into civil war and like, you know, no one should want that, but it sure is starting to look like Nazi hunting season over there.
It absolutely baffles me to be saying that, guns/violence should never have to be in the equation at all.
When there’s a growing danger of being sent off to a concentration camp for standing up for basic human rights … well, a lot of things are starting to look real 1930 right now.
Only 5 more years
It was never the state of things IMO, we’ve always needed weapons, just not if you grew up in the burbs.
No, we haven’t had concentration camps like this before. Even the Japanese internment camps, while shameful and tragic, were arguably not as bad as what’s developing.
What I’m saying is you’ve never been free from state injustice or even other people trying to unjustly enrich themselves. I’m saying things are bad now because more folks aren’t armed. They just let the state bulldoze right over them. Most of us are too complacent to defend our sisters and brothers as they let the state exploit certain members and groups of its citizenry. We just look at ourselves and thank the stars it’s not happening to us. Well that mentality is how we got here. Letting the rich and those with power beat us down again and again striping away our power and our futures to enrich a class of elites that only detest us and would eradicate us if they didn’t need us.
Ah yes, the real problem is that there wasn’t already enough violence.
What is your suggestion then? We have a powwow where we sing kumbaya and hold each other’s hands? Genuine question BTW.
Trump and his oligarch friends have instituted “might makes right” and no amount of peaceful protest is going to matter short of large scale self-imposed austerity to hit them in their pocket books, which I think most Americans are too weak-willed to dedicate to. The Dems are complicit too, that’s why they do nothing to combat it. Have you noticed how the elites have only gotten rich and powerful since all this started? That’s elites from every walk of life, maybe even especially liberal elites.
I’m not saying wonton violence is the answer, but these power tripping fascists will think twice about oppressing a well armed proletariat or feel the wrath a caring community can unleash. Remember these agents are not state level authorities, they’re federal.
but these power tripping fascists will think twice about oppressing a well armed proletariat or feel the wrath a caring community can unleash. Remember these agents are not state level authorities, they’re federal.
And some state government agencies are already fighting back. But, as always, the people have to demand it. Its easy to to kowtow to the wims of the fascist government- just look at a vast majority of the dems in congress- but if you demand this at the state, county, and city level, they are more likely to listen.
And yes, it is your right in most open carry states to stand with a gun on you near a law enforcement officer who is in the process of their duty, as long as the officer does not perceive you as “interfering with their duty”. You could even record them in many states.
Go read my first comment again.
Go far enough left and you get your guns back
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Notice this always happens in states without constitutional carry.
Drawing a weapon would have only gotten them perforated. No this warrants a few pounds of C4 and the willingness to die to set an example.
Most people aren’t willing to make such a commitment, even though all our lives are forfeit at this point.
You say this as if it is easy/possible for most people to:
- Acquire C4
- Safely store it in their vehicle without arousing suspicions of their family and friends
- be able to detonate it at a moment’s notice but never accidentally.
Difficult, but my point was that if we’re going to respond with violence, guns will be not very effective. But there are other ways that will be.
ETA C4 is actually stable enough to be safely stowed, and is very hard to accidentally detonate. Typically we civilians have to resort to dynamite or homemade explosive compounds which deteriorate and are less reliable, either discharging when they shouldn’t or failing to when they should.
I think they were more referring to taking action like a oklahoma city type thing. It’s nearly as ridiculous to set up c4 in your car for this scenario as the people who keep guns by the bed and masturbate to the thought of a home invasion.
Everything is such a disaster. I can’t imagine any value in sensationalizing a headline and article like this that isn’t motivated by driving traffic and distracting well meaning people whichever direction they can for their own capitalistic purposes.
Fixed: “Associate and suspected MS-13 member detained by ICE.
Nobody wants to watch their mom getting apprehended but it’s part of the game, you don’t get to play with gangs if you aren’t willing to have your life get a little messy.
The 5th amendment tends to require indictment by grand jury before any criminal charges.
Maryland does not always require a grand jury indictment
ICE is a federal agency, subject to federal laws.
You are also trying to apply criminal law requirements to immigration which don’t require a grand jury at all.
https://www.immigrantdefenseproject.org/wp-content/uploads/Home-Raid-booklet-ENG.pdf
There’s a solid source on why you might not want to join a violent gang, like in beyond just the general because you aren’t a piece of shit.
The woman was 52 years old. A really gangbanger, right?
More probable than not
What exactly makes you say that?
You are being weird about so some getting kidnapped off the street with no allegations that require evidence being made?
I hereby accuse you of association with MS13. Would it be acceptable to disappear you based on my accusation? No? Then fuck off, you are being a hateful little fuck.
If you have a federal investigation showing that then I better have a damn good alibi because you don’t just slip, trip, and fall into a gang
Sub-moronic. Incredible.
ah, well if the gestapo insists she’s a criminal, then it must be true! they’ve never been known to make a mistake or flat out lie before, it’s absolutely unheard of 🤡
I don’t support ICE or any of the fascist hate fueled garbage going on right now if that’s your inference from my post. My critique is the baseless distraction of the sensationalist article that does nothing other than undermine actual ongoing atrocities.
The headline should be what ICE says
I don’t support ICE or…
Fucking pick one, if you’re being genuine and you think this headline is sensationalist, I have some bad news for you…
What happened is she was detained by ICE because x,y,z. It isn’t reality television, they didn’t just randomly detain someone for the lols and view count.
I’ll give you the benefit of the doubt you’re engaging in good faith. So what do you say about the Supreme court ordering the return of ‘mistakenly’ deported man, you don’t say that’s a flagrant violation of due process?
I think it’s abhorrent and they screwed up. Doesn’t mean I think it means every situation is the same thing.
Yeahhh… no criminal record, intimidation and late night visits, nothing similar here!
You clearly fucking do.
you don’t get to play with gangs if you aren’t willing to have your life get a little messy.
what evidence is there of this claim?
The same amount of evidence as everything else?
so, none
So none?
Public evidence? No. It’s speculative sensational garbage reporting. Reads like a distraction from so much legit issues with foundational merit currently going on.
First, you are clearly not engaging. Being associated with gang members is not a crime. The entire premise for this kidnappings is illegal. They aren’t arresting her for immigration status, they are arresting her for associating with people, which is in no way a crime. This is extrajudicial behavior and the only reason I am able to determine that you are OK with it is cause she wasn’t a citizen.
Kidnappings people off the street and sending them elsewhere without due process is a distraction…
People being disappeared is a distraction…
What the fuck?
“They aren’t citizens!” You’ll say. To which I say, “go ahead and prove your citizenship, without due process, and when you can’t satisfy what I want, which in any case is to disappear you regardless, I’ll just disappear you anyways.”
Seriously, we have been given so many reasons to not trust these people, and here you are licking their boots so that abhorrent policies can be put into place. Nah, fuck off with that shit.
I’m not going to waste my energy on criminal gang members. All good with destroying other peoples lives and then expect anyone to give a fuck about them? We have enough problems that deserve attention, bloviating your undying love to criminal gang members doesn’t mean jack shit to me.
Yes an MS-13 member, exactly as the US government just described the person they “accidentally” deported and now “can’t” get back, but also they don’t want him back because actually he’s an MS-13 member don’t you know? What’s that he has no criminal record or ties to that gang? But the federal government just said in court he does?!?
Go back to reddit with your racist fascist nonsense. People like you are the only ones that deserve to be deported.
