Stop using youtube.
EDIT: A lot of people real fuckin triggered by this and looking for any excuse to keep using. Fucking addicts.
Judging a captive market for not being able to break free from a monopoly is just another form of oppression, buddy.
What else has such a catalog? Going to be hard to persuade creators to host their own content with ads and subscriptions.
Not just catalog for viewing. What other platform can I use as cloud storage for video files for free? I have hundreds of hours of stuff uploaded there.
What other platform can I use as cloud storage for video files for free?
If it’s free, you are the product (ad views), not the consumer (ad sales). Suck it up and pay for hard drives.
I have many hard drives, and none of the videos are monetized or even publically listed. As I said, it’s my cloud storage, my offsite backup.
And I’m saying you’re not paying for it, and that’s the problem. Everyone got way too comfortable with getting “free” shit from corporations that would trample our rights the second it became convenient for them.
If I’m using YT as cloud backup storage for hundreds of hours of video that is unlisted, unmonetized, how am I helping them trample rights?
Their ability to trample rights because of how much profit they make from horrible content is directly related to their ability to give you that space for free. “I’m not directly contributing” is a real weak excuse to keep using it, in my personal opinion.
Just here to say it’s fucking WILD that you’re being downvoted
Store on a hard drive instead.
They are all stored on local hdds, in fact I have two copies locally. I said it’s my cloud storage, my backup off site.
Sounds like you don’t need cloud storage then.
Except I do, because I don’t have off site storage. 3-2-1 my friend. If my house burnt down, without the cloud storage I’d lose everything. Separate local copies is good for defending against disk failure.
If your data isn’t worth a few bucks to secure maybe it isn’t worth the redundancies in the first place. Keep making excuses and hope they keep allowing you to access your data “for free” or at all.
What other platform can I use as cloud storage for video files for free?
None. YouTube included.
I mean, I do use YT as cloud storage for free. And before you say the “nothing is free line,” note my other replies.
Nope. The admin of sh.itjust.works lets you use their storage for free. Google does not.
There are things that are free, Youtube is not one of them.
Okay, as I said in my other replies, the videos are unlisted, not monetized, and I don’t pay for it. What is not free about that?
Is money is the only thing about yourself that you ascribe value to?
- Remember that one with the dancing penis lmao. That had nothing to do with all the other else
Maybe people could read more?
Nobody needs this endless “content” slop.
For real people need to get a grip if they can’t survive without it. They’re addicted.
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Horse shit.
Reading vs TV was a tired debate in the eighties. YouTube is no different than tv. Hell, in some ways, because it isn’t all controlled by oligarchs entirely, I would argue that it’s easier to find good things on YouTube than it ever was on broadcast or cable tv.
Also, ablist much? How about the blind and dyslexic? Are they fucked just because you don’t like that format?
Yeah, fuck YouTube as a platform, and fuck Google/alphabet, but don’t pretend to be the arbiter of entertainment.
How about the blind and dyslexic
Last I checked braille exists and so do tools for dyslexic readers. There are literally braille terminals for the blind. Hell, the first time I saw one was in the film Sneakers in 1992.
It’s actually very easily argued that the push to touch-screen and video everything is what is actually ableist and making braille be used far less because companies are more worried about what’s cheap than what is actually useful.
Don’t be disingenuous.
Yeah, that’s some projection. You weren’t being disingenuous to pretend that videos are more helpful to the blind than braille? Get a grip.
We’re talking about a company that is happily trampling over the rights of individuals right now, you don’t think the disabled won’t be next on their chopping block?
totally agree with reading more. text is easy to consume, easy to store, (somewhat) easy to verify (if sources are provided), and it keeps (if using dead trees for storage). ever since the pandemic i started reading more and must say i really like it
Hell yeah. Let’s hear it for the readers. Let’s hear it for footnotes. Let’s hear it for references. Let’s hear it for bibliographies. Let’s hear it for the more in depth ideas that can be explored via text than video or audio.
Some content lends itself well to written format. Lots of content does not.
absolutely agree. i just wanted to point out that not everything has to be a video
Hmm yes I’ll just read about how cool two bullets hitting each other in slowmotion looks. Much better experience than watching it /s
Maybe people could read more?
Hell yeah I love audiobooks /s
Catalog of what?
It’s not an easy answer, but the best way I’ve found so far is to use GrayJay.
If I find that one of the content creators I follow on YouTube happen to post their content on any other platform, I switch my subscription to that platform.
Besides YouTube they support Nebula, Twitch, Odysee, PeerTube, Dailymotion, Bitchute, Kick, BiliBili, Rumble, Patreon, and more.
Some of those, particularly Odysee and Rumble have much worse Nazis. They are the platforms of choice for British National Socialist Movement and Patriotic Alternative.
Yeah rumble is made by and for Nazis.
And Kick is a cesspool gambling-friendly “free speech” Twitch alternative.
Lots of popular Youtubers are already there, and they strip the sponsor segments out of their content too.
Sadly I couldn’t get it to stream reliably though it’s been a few months since I unsubscribed.
Interesting, I’ve never had an issue with the video stream on nebula
The popular YouTubers are trash tho
Nebula doesn’t have that kind of ‘popular’ YouTubers, it’s a creator-made platform that’s more focused on science and documentary channels. I don’t think I’ve seen anything on Nebula even remotely related to gaming.
There’s definitely gaming content on there, but what I’ve seen has been of the long-form analysis type.
Most of them are literally Nazis. Anytime I go to youtube and finish a video all the suggested videos to watch after are obscene “anti-woke” trash.
The youtube to right-wing pipeline is real.
EDIT:
Here’s after me watching an old Lightning Bolt music video. Six videos are related to Lightning Bolt, being live videos or music videos, but a solid four videos are all weird right-wing Nazi pipeline shit. One defending Trump and saying he has a plan, one lamenting the pushback against Tesla, one shitting on the new Snow White for being “woke,” and one literally with the giant title “fuck your pronouns.” Plus one old cartoon and an episode of Surrounded with one doctor vs. twenty anti-vax (I am not convinced this Surrounded show actually does anything helpful for any discourse.) I have watch history disabled so none of this comes from my watch history, this is the default that youtube gives to people.
None of that has anything to do with the creators on Nebula or the Nebula platform itself.
MSN is also terrible about this shit. I turned off their new tab garbage and replaced it with Bonjourr right before the election because of all the misinformation it was showing. Crazy we just accept this shit man.
As for YouTube, this is very easy to verify. Sign out of YouTube > CTRL+F5 > look at the top viewed videos
You will see what garbage most of the populace sees when they go to YouTube without logging in. I believe this is the real reason they don’t care if people log in or not. They can push the narrative while seeming like they’re being good guys by allowing you to consume content “for free”.
Weird.
Mine is just Anime, vtuber, tech (the good kind) and edutainment (e.g. kurzgesagt, real engineering, ezc.).Maybe you engage heavily in political content because I mostly avoid it like the plague.
I have watch history disabled
Man how many people fail to fucking read this is literally re-enforcing my point that maybe more people need to read. This me, quoting myself, from above. Further, someone else made the same kind of comment over a half hour ago and I responded the same, noting that I had already mentioned that I have watch history disabled, so Youtube does not and cannot give me recommendations based on my watch history.
I actually almost never watch Youtube except for the odd video game trailer or random comedy-shit-post-snippet. I don’t have any subscriptions or channels I care about. I read.
That’s a you problem. Why are you complaining?
Wow your YouTube recommendations are very different from mine.
I have watch history disabled
Well, that might be the cause. Kinda scary you get recommendations like that just due to no history.
Funny think about that.
I also had it disabled, started watching a longer(ish) video, closed the video and enabled history and somehow YouTube knew how much I already watched before history was on.
So my guess is that history off is only for the user, YouTube knows anyway, it just pretends not to store it
You’re correct but the “He has a plan” one is from Money & Macro, a leftist (Marxist-friendly) economics channel. He’s trying to explain the broader strategy behind the tariffs, which (from skimming the video) seems similar to a theory Yanis Varoufakis had as well. I think it’s much simpler than that though… I think they’re just a sloppy way to appear tough on the world stage while crashing the economy so the ultrarich can pick up the pieces, but that’s just me.
Anyway you’re correct about the rest I think. And tbh even one pipeline video in the top recommended is too many.
The top right video is a video absolutely dumpstering Tesla and calling it a worthless stock. Your recommendations will also highly depend on what video you were just watching, could it be that users who watch your video also happen to watch these other videos? Is that the platforms fault?
dumpstering Tesla and calling it a worthless stock.
Oh, so it’s just wall street dick sucking and pretending the whole “market” isn’t just a rigged game? Counts as right-wing slop to me.
Is that the platforms fault?
Considering we have a fuck-ton of evidence from research that it isn’t just what other people watch that determines it: Yes, it is actually. Sorry these aren’t fucking videos so that you’ll actually pay attention to them.
https://dl.acm.org/doi/abs/10.1145/3351095.3372879
A lot of defense for a company that is literally in the process of saying “fuck your rights” to the same people being attacked in a lot of these videos. Jesus christ.
Username checks out.
Dude chill out, why are you so angry? I merely pointed out that one of the videos does not support your claims and suggested an alternative hypothesis
Sorry for upsetting you with discussion hot damn
Maybe take a break dude, no need to be this hostile over some youtube videos
Let me know if you find any of that trash on Nebula.
Yeah, I’m pretty sure that Nebula is all “bread tubers” and left adjacent.
Yeah, exactly. This argument about YouTube isn’t relevant to Nebula.
Jubilee is a part of the same pipeline. See this for example.
The only way to pay for subscription is with a credit card, no thank you, my culture mostly doesn’t use those and I don’t have or want one.
I refuse to support them after they kicked Second Thought off the platform for supporting Palestinians over the GDF
First I’m hearing but that doesn’t surprise me; it’s probably better than most companies you could give your money to but, in any way they could, they don’t do anything truly groundbreaking such that I can justify to myself giving money rather than just keeping said money in my pocket (and, in turn, much more likely to go to mutual aid, charities, non-profits, or coöperatively-owned or union-backed businesses).
They could have done a more traditional coöp, open-sourced their infrastructure (even if it was just the app.!), or really emphasized a particular stance or message they as a company would stand by…but they haven’t done any of those. They basically are just offering up YouTube but as a streaming service. But that doesn’t solve the myriad of issues that make a streaming service a business that (like most businesses) prey on their customers.
Go outside.
not just stop, rip every half decent video from there and save it somewhere else. Losing everything in youtube is library of alexandria level loss.
Do it fast, they’re trying to kill yt-dlp with DRM.
If as many people as possible self host their own peertube, even for just your own videos, it wouldn’t replace youtube completely, but it would be a giant leap in the right direction.
The usual household has nowhere near the upload capacity to meaningfully stream videos.
“As many people as possible” not the usual household.
Even most people hosting at home, which is already an incredibly small bubble, have only the default upload of something like 40Mbit which is more than plenty for internet usage and thus the only thing most providers supply, since people favour download speeds. You usually have to specifically order increased uploads speed, which not enough people do to build something that could serve as an alternative to youtube
Idk what to tell you man, I was just saying it would be cool if more people made a personal Peertube. Didn’t say everyone and their mother needed to make one, just that it would be nice if as many people as possible could make one. Again, I get that it can be hard, or not possible for most people, but if more people could make one, and made one, that would be cool.
And I agree wholeheartedly. I’m just saying, that the idea of replacing YouTube with something federated fails due to lack of upload speeds, as cool as it would be. Still, having it even just as a small scale alternative would be cool
Yep that would be nice! Yunohost can make it pretty easy to install for those of us who self host. Plus this is the fediverse. Totally agree!
Any suggestions where to go? I mostly watch warhammer painting content such as tutorials for techniques I don’t know and video game content either long form retrospectives to fall asleep or guides for what I am playing. I’ve tried to get off YouTube completely but these specific niches are all that’s left for me.
Cant help you with this specific type of content, but you could use Invidious.io to watch YouTube Videos. Still better than nothing. No Google API, No Tracking, no Ads and pre installed SponsorBlock.
Thanks. I can def do that on my phone. Don’t know much about how to do it on Apple TVs or Rokus but I very seldom use them for YouTube anymore anyway.
No, I won’t.
Definitely stop
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Do the “right” thing.
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Fuck rainbow capitalism
I’m more concerned about “anti-rainbow” capitalism. Like what’s happening right now where instead of being performatively progressive they become performatively reactionary. (Well, I suppose that’s just reactionary.)
Basically what I mean is I want rainbow capitalism to exist, but in a very specific way: I want rainbow capitalism to be the bare minimum a company has to implement if they want to exist. I want the social circumstances to force them to at least pretend to be on the right side of history.
Honestly, the real problem in rainbow capitalism is the capitalism part.
The point is, is that it doesn’t matter. Companies are not true allies, they just do whatever earn them the most money and PR
If it means to become literal Nazis, then they become literal Nazis. And sell the supplies to the gas chambers
For sure. It was more of a “yes, and” than disagreement. Profit is such a vile incentive, literally why we can’t have nice things.
I mean they allow porn videos and animal torture videos on YouTube so like
Oh and snuff videos
On the one hand, less censorship, on the other, something a lot worse.
Everyone should check out PeerTube sometime, the UX has improved a lot and there’s a decent amount of content too. I recommend installing the PeerTube Companion app. It shows a popup on YouTube if you’ve clicked on a video that is also available on PeerTube.
How is discoverability in PeerTube? That was the sticking point for me with PeerTube as with Mastodon last time I looked. It was not easy to discover what’s out there.
Still not that great, I rely on the companion to redirect me to channels through YouTube.
Yeah this is the kicker for me and for most others. It won’t ever replace youtube until it can implement similar discoverability features and improve the onboarding process. Youtube is run by the shitlords, yes, but it’s also a service that has no equal, literally has no peers. Until it does, it will remain uncontested and they’ll be able to get away with whatever policy changes please them (and their dictator-in-chief. And their shareholders)
Yeah best we have right now is subscribing to the lemmy/piefed communities like /c/peertube and seeing what you like. For better or for worse, there is no algorithm. Moreso in peertube than others.
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both offer more curated platforms that arent owned and operated by the broligarchy
I realize Peertube is free and Floss but it’s esoteric and lacking buy in; like a great open source console with no games. (Whats more if you dont use a VPN it can be used to track your view history, iirc)
I’m broke af but planning on getting subscriptions to both asap; real shit bc if the monetization model is “free” (ads) then you the viewer are the product, units for their ecomomy.
and they’ll canibalize you when their done with queer people, brown people and other marginalized folks like me.
what’s the best queer friendly instance? :^
I don’t know, but here’s a list of instances https://joinpeertube.org/instances
thanks
Why even bother with a hate speech policy? Oh, right, money.
strange, they have allowed it ont he channel for quite a while, alot of the videos were mostly directed at transpeople in the form of anti-woke videos. like that channel where it had 20 magats arguing vs 1 “liberal”.
right wing drives viewers to grifters, and those have ads which benefits youtube.
Also right wingers are dumb as hell and don’t use adblock.
While I hate Google, this seems like one of those much ados over nothing. They specifically mention ‘sex, gender, or sexual orientation’, which to most reasonable people would cover gender identity.
What matters is how this affects enforcement.
It doesn’t. It’s not like this page gets used internally. They have their own internal guidelines for that.
You still think things are run by reasonable people?!
No, but I think most of the people on Lemmy should know better than that.
Looks at Hexbear, .ml, and to some extent Blahaj
Oh, who am I kidding.
Yeah its quite echo chambery here
“Gender” means nothing without context. By a MAGAs definition of gender this policy doesn’t protect trans people, for example. We don’t know how this rule will be interpreted in practice. Even if you don’t consider the intent behind making this change, this is objectively a weaker guarantee of protection than what we had with “gender identity and expression”.
This is not a legal contract, it’s a general guideline for users about what is or isn’t acceptable. The intent and spirit of the terms are clear, the only question is whether Google will enforce them not. If the enforcement is crappy, like what Facebook is famous for, it doesn’t matter a damn what exact terminology they use in the guidelines.
I hated Google far before it was cool. I would feel vindicated if it weren’t so damn overdue. They don’t even contribute meaningfully to society. And I mean that about EVERYTHING
Gmail is lame, their search engine sucks, chrome wastes resources, their ads platform ruined the internet, Golang fundamentally sucks, the emulation layer of android is so fucking wasteful, Material Design ruined digital creativity, etc.
It’s okay. I gotcha so you don’t got to ssy it
Spicehoarder told y’all so!
I need someone like you around.
Google search feels like it has stopped being the magic it was. Now whenever I search for something I might not find it underneath all the stuff on sale. For the first time in I don’t know how many years I’ve been finding myself using something else like Duck Duck Go.
The AI nonsense, the flawed ranking and the pages of sponsored links. Honestly, Google is just straight up useless.
I used to use Google shopping to find certain items and compare websites. Now the entire left side that used to be a filter list is replaced. When you click a “filter” option it just adds text to the search bar. Then it will include an essay about why these are your options for something and recommend top brands, but then just list everything.
Yep, that’s intentional. They stopped prioritizing user experience and started prioritizing ad revenue instead a while ago
Consider the decentralized family of https://trom.tf/ apps, such as https://search.trom.tf/ as a replacement (that’s the only one I use of their stuff so far… but may poke around more later).
What a treasure trove. I love lemmy
Ironically… I myself found this through Reddit, no joke! But yeah, I hope to sway more people here.
You think chrome is bad? You should try the GCP console, 2 tabs were using 15GB RAM.
What’s wrong with Golang? Agrees on all other points, and perhaps this one as well
The key point here is our programmers… They’re not capable of understanding a brilliant language… So, the language that we give them has to be easy for them to understand ―Rob ‘Commander’ Pike, creator of Go
And here’s a related blog post: https://valuedrivenit.blogspot.com/2015/12/to-go-language-is-mess.html?m=1
It’s a very opinionated language in the worst way possible.
their ads platform ruined the internet
Ads were the bane of the internet FAR before Google even fucking existed. lol
and yet somehow google made it worse. Not only are there more ads than ever before, but now it’s also a panopticon.
Man this whole anticipatory compliance with the fascist regime shit is fucking awful
It’s like Roko’s Basilisk playing out in real time, except instead of building a malignant computer out of fear it’s accelerating a fascist takeover.
Welcome to how the world has always worked and always will. There’s gin to help wash the black pill down.
What international alternatives exist for YouTube? And I understand RedNote as an alternative for TikTok, but YouTube fills a little bit of a different niche.
No one wants to talk about PeerTube?
I don’t think it’s possible for PeerTube to scale to a size where it would be capable of competing with Youtube.
PeerTube is just software. It’s a decentralized network. It doesn’t have to scale to that size. You can have a million servers handling the storage and streaming in a more efficient method and democratize the bandwidth.
Who’s paying to run a million servers?
Hosts and users who want their stuff available to their audience without YouTube’s bullshit.
Same people that pay for lemmy. Us.
It doesn’t take much to host peertube TBH. And with each peertube instance, the videos get easier to host. It scales very well with the current iteration of software.
The two biggest issues are actually not software related:
- A platform is only as good as its users (creators and users who interact). Peertube has the issue that its not very popular, so creators have to really plug their stuff.
- Its not profitable for creators UNLESS they add a way to monetize. Some argue that with secondary sources such as patreon, its not an issue, But I just don’t see it.
Im pretty happy with what it does NOW. I like the ability to post my videos and get comments without getting flagged for whatever on Youtube. I like my friends and family (and sometimes us weirdos) looking at my videos. And I like the slow trickle of people hosting their videos on say makertube, peertube.wtf, and other such platforms. They seem like really fun individuals and im having a blast.
The two biggest issues are actually not software related
I disagree, the biggest issues are related to discoverability, and most certainly software-related.
Peertube has the issue that its not very popular, so creators have to really plug their stuff.
Not necessarily. They only need to agree to allow an instance to mirror their content, and possibly one day contribute something to it in the event that it becomes popular enough. For now, consent is really all that’s required. The only revenue they’re missing out on is AdSense.
Its not profitable for creators UNLESS they add a way to monetize. Some argue that with secondary sources such as patreon, its not an issue, But I just don’t see it.
Patreon is one of many different ways to generate revenue. Most popular Youtubers are diversifying in various ways. The most effective of which is creating their own products and using their channels to promote them. Affiliate links/codes is another way smaller creators can diversify.
I like the ability to post my videos and get comments without getting flagged for whatever on Youtube.
As always, with freedom comes abuse. Youtube has a lot of regulations that can be cumbersome but also can protect creators and users.
Because the user experience is horrible for non-creators.
User experience can be improved pretty easily.
The important parts are already there.
Easier said than done. Reason after all these years it still hasn’t been addressed.
I really don’t think it is.
As an engineer with almost 2 decades of experience (including streaming sites)… It is.
Well, we’d have to be more specific about what parts of the “user experience” we’re talking about here in order to make that assessment.
I’m mostly talking about discoverability, the default algorithms, the lack of federation, and a way to actually filter content by language.
There’s a couple Lemmy communies out there where we showcase different channels.
https://lemmy.world/c/peertube
Check out top for a decent selection. It’s a somewhat new community but we are growing fast. It’s federated and has some hidden gems from people. Has a very early YouTube feel.
There really isn’t one. That’s why they feel that they can do whatever they feel like. They have no real competition for the type of service they offer.
Peertube is the obvious candidate, but I’m not sold on the content.
I use nebula.tv, many of the creators I like are there too. You pay somerhing, but their business model is not too bad imho.
Floatplane is somewhat similar, but LMG is involved, which I don’t love.
What’s wrong with LMG?
Linus media group
The closest, at least outside of China, would be Dailymotion.
Allas, if you want to stay away from YouTube, you’ll also want to stay away from Dailymotion. This platform is owned by Vincent Bolloré who is also the owner of the “Groupe Canal” (which includes “CNews”, the french equivalent to Fox News) and a number of different far-right media. Moving to Dailymotion is not exacly what I would call a smart one.
feel like thats specific to pirated media. i remember i watch pirated shows on there all the time.
As reported from a substack writer… 🤮
Substack platforms and monetizes Nazis.
Oh sorry, didn’t know about that
Mind providing a bit more context to this so I can look it up ? I’ll boycott substick if need be.
https://www.platformer.news/leaving-substack-platformer-year-four/ This looks to be straight from the person that BroBot9000 was referring to. Interesting read.
I found some older news articles, but nothing more recent for an update.
https://techcrunch.com/2024/01/09/substack-nazi-content-policies-controversy/
https://theracket.news/p/substacks-nazi-problem-isnt-going-away?ref=platformer.news
This one’s more recent. As of six months ago, still a problem.
Thanks both. I’ve seen enough. Beyond problematic on substicks part.
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It’s time to boycott Google as well now hu? Already ditched their search engine and moved to kagi
Boycotts are performative stunts that feel good but don’t have impact on companies and even gets more attention ON those companies.
No really, this is a phenomenon that’s known. When people were protesting Blizzard, I swear to fucking god, people I knew for years who hadn’t played WoW since they were kids suddenly decided to reactivate their accounts because all the talk about blizzard “made them nostalgic” and despite being sympathetic to the people hurt by the company, they simply didn’t have the mental value-system to draw lines between those two things. Their own desires to escape and recapture youth was far, far stronger than the social messaging they honestly just felt was finger-wagging and parental scolding, so they rejected the idea of protesting without conscious thought.
And there are far, FAR more people like this than there are people with steadfast principles and discipline to stick to them. The depressing majority of people are not really thinking, they’re just going with the flow, agreeing with popular sentiment when it’s convenient, doing whatever they want when nobody is looking because capitalism has bled our axioms out.
If we put that much energy into volunteering with groups raising funds for primaries, getting to know our neighbors and forming communities, actually talking to people in our communities, we would abolish this fascist empire in a single election cycle. (Assuming we have elections again.)
edit: I firmly stand by my claim that you can change the world a lot better by being a good, active, social person who organizes your community. If we all kinda, embraced this as a passion and cared about people who aren’t in our discord servers, we wouldn’t need to try to boycott companies who won’t give two shits about you giving them more press.
Boycotts are not enough, but in combination with girlcotts they are very efficient.
I’ll see myself out.
Best reply I got here tbh.
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Boycotts are performative stunts that feel good but don’t have impact on companies and even gets more attention ON those companies.
No they aren’t? People just haven’t actually been pissed off enough to actually wield the weapon of “ok, fine, now I will not buy ANYTHING from you”.
Boycotts most definitely work, Tesla’s stock is plummeting, and one of the major reasons is an aggressive and enthusiastic boycott of buying Telsas (also they suck).
This isn’t to say in any given situation a boycott is the best strategy to use, or that your organizing energy isn’t better spent elsewhere, but don’t dismiss boycotts when we are seeing one of the most effective high profile ones in recent memeory be VERY successful.
No, this boycott at least isn’t “working” to any serious degree. And teslas stock is negligibley effected by any the protest. It can all be so subjective, though, anyway.
Lol, no, i looked it up, this is not a “VERY” successful boycott. Not in the least.
Strikes do a lot more damage to companies. I think a lot of people mix the two ideas up.
The last most successful boycotts were mostly ones you never heard of, and at least one you rather not hear of. We managed to get tuna companies to pretend to harm fewer dolphins in 1988. Before that is was things like the 1965 Delano Grape Strike and the 1955 Montgomery Bus Boycott. The most recent boycott that actually got a company to change its marketing and outreach was the Bud Lite/Dylan Mulvaney boycott by the anti-trans right.
If you think you can get enough people as worked up about an issue as the chuds were about a single commercial featuring someone they were scared of, then by all means let’s fire up all the engines and get boycotting. Otherwise, I would encourage people who work at these tech companies to start talking about unions and making change from the inside. But none of that does as much damage to a company as getting politicians installed who are already taking bribes from other companies. Yes this is a dark perspective, you’re welcome to disagree but in my nearly five decades on Earth this is just what I’ve seen over and over.
I don’t want to take away from the general thrust of your point, I just don’t think we have actually seen boycotts that people were actually fired up en masse to enforce.
I think up until right this very moment the general center of mass of society has been largely ok with most of what capitalism is, I think that is going to continue to drastically change, and we will see a lot more wildcat boycotts of companies that significantly hurt them.
That being said I agree that overly focusing on that as a strategy isn’t necessarily wise, but boycotts are definitely a weapon that can absolutely blow up the bridges of corporate 'Murica.
Yeah, the Tesla boycott totally didn’t work…
You’re right. They didn’t.
The delulu is strong with this one.
It’s almost impressive how quickly the whole of the business world capitulated to Donald Trump.
It’s almost like their support for these issues was never genuine to begin with.
Exactly. :-/
Was yours? Commenting online isn’t exactly fighting the good fight. Did you do anything to help shore up and defend anything.
These companies face legal action from the government that was elected. A government elected who won power by spreading their shitty ideology everywhere.
Commenting online is fighting the good fight. Online sentiment is shifted by commenting online and online sentiment plays a huge role in influencing the acceptable opinions.
What are you doing? Why are you swinging on someone clearly with you?
Read your comment back to yourself.
And did I do anything
Gosh, Melvin, what a hero you are.
Fuckin’ Melvin
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You too
I’m not talking about personal actions. I personally believe in equality and I wish I could do more about that even if there are all sorts of personal reasons that’s difficult for me.
Corporations don’t believe anything. They’re just profit optimizing machines. They were doing rainbow capitalism when they thought it would be more profitable and now that they think the opposite is more profitable, they’ll do that. It’s as simple as that and hoping corporations would be allies in a fight for equality was always based on a misunderstanding about power.
It’s not like corporations don’t have power that can resist government action. Look at how effectively they’ve evaded taxes and regulations. The big international ones can threaten to take their ball and leave if they don’t like a country’s policies. And that’s when they don’t just bribe politicians to change them.
The workers at those companies are people though. Labor organizing was always going to be necessary to build up power for change. Not saying it’s easy and I can’t fault someone for worrying about losing their job, but if resistance was going to happen anywhere that’s where it would be. Not in boardrooms or alone in a booth.
But there’s the difference. It’s one thing to have convictions but not the means or courage to act on them. It’s another thing to have power, but lack convictions beyond whatever is currently convenient. The former could overcome those obstacles given the right circumstances. The latter never will.
It’s too hard to change anything, but only if it’s progressive policies. Fascist policies can be implemented immediately.
It’s too hard to change anything if one believes in laws, rules and the general idea of a fair justice. They don’t have this limitation.
Well. Being a bigoted asshole is easy.
Actually being inclusive and nice to people takes effort.
This is what’s fucking shitty about this
Every company and every politician and every person who bends over so willingly IS THE PROBLEM
It’s like they announce their regime and these idiots roll out the red carpets immediately ready be the first company to suck the government off
If they all stood their ground, it would buy more time
They didn’t capitulate. They were mostly faking it all along, friend. It made for good profit at the time and to get good Blackrock or Vanguard investment money. This is why despite putting rainbows in X, or FB, or YT, or LinkedIn profiles in the USA or in some Western countries, no company ever did that in any profile outside the West. It was all for show… and money. If they actually believe it they would have done so across the board. Yet they didn’t. They were just hoping most people wouldn’t notice. Many did. There was a meme RE: this floating around from years ago, too.
They didn’t capitulate. They never fought. They just did what was the best shot at earning money and gaining ground at the time.
Don’t ever expect moral based behavior in capitalism or geopolitics.
