-Fred Hampton was a black activist from Chicago – an extraordinary speaker, youth organizer for the NAACP.
-He joined the Black Panthers and shone so brightly that he was made chair of the Chicago chapter when he was only 20.
-He founded the Rainbow Coalition, which brought together Black and Latino activists and radical anti-poverty Catholics. He forged an alliance among major Chicago street gangs to help them make peace and work for social change.
-In 1967, when he was just 19, Hampton was identified by the FBI as a “radical threat.” The FBI tried to subvert his activities in Chicago, sowing disinformation to get the groups he’d drawn together to distrust each other, and getting an FBI plant next to him as a bodyguard.
-(This is part of an illegal FBI program called COINTELPRO, which aimed to paint black civil rights activists (among others) as violent and threatening. If you’ve only seen pictures of the Black Panthers as armed and dangerous revolutionaries, and never heard of their children’s breakfast program, their community health clinics, or their “copwatch” patrols, this is why. It’s because COINTELPRO was a highly successful work of political propaganda.)
-On December 3, 1969, Hampton taught a political education course at a local church, and then several Panthers gathered at his apartment for a late dinner. One of them was the FBI plant bodyguard, who drugged Hampton.
-At 4:45 AM on December 4, a squad of Chicago Police officers and FBI agents with a warrant to search for weapons stormed the apartment. Investigations later showed they fired between 90 and 99 times. The Panther on security detail, Mark Clark, was holding a shotgun. He was shot, and the gun went off into the ceiling. This was the only shot fired by the Panthers.
-Fred Hampton, in another room, didn’t awaken. He was shot in his bed. Twice, in the head, at point-blank range. He was 21.
-Four weeks after witnessing Hampton’s death, his finance Deborah Johnson gave birth to their son, Fred Hampton Jr. That’s him in the photograph, visiting the grave of a father who died before he was born. A resting place riddled with bullets.
yup and they’re about to do it again
They never stopped
Quite the legacy. Never let the memory of this man die. Fight the power!
RIP Fred Hampton
Disgusting shit bags. Hampton never harmed anyone and they wanted him dead.
They wanted him dead because they want us divided. The divided states of Musk & Thiel.
The White government wouldn’t allow black people to integrate or create their own society. They wanted to keep black people subjugated.
Now that race isn’t as much of an issue as it was (still is a big issue please nobody be a pedantic bitch), it’s clear that white and black has really been a fight of rich and poor the whole time.
Too much money to be had subjugating people apparently.
No. Your words aren’t the problem, your sentiment is.
Regardless of you trying to stave off criticism, it’s still off-putting to say “race isn’t as much of a problem” when white supremacists have taken over the government and are resegregating society. But okay, things are a little better now than in the 1960s.
But no, white and black has not “really” been rich and poor. This is divisive nonsense. White people have attempted to keep Black people subjugated for 400 years. Class warfare is on top of that, and pretending otherwise is racist.
History is littered with white activists who achieved their goals on the backs of Black people, then fucked off as soon as they got theirs. If we want to win the class war, whites need to stand in true solidarity with Blacks, not try to erase history.
It’s class warfare. The rich want the poor divided, so that they don’t rise up against the rich.
And now they are trying to spin the narrative and create a new race war against anything non American.
They’re also punishing any institution that dares suggest there is racism in the USA, either now or in the past. The USA is run by the same kinds of people who would shoot up Fred Hampton’s grave.
I mean the current administration killed the first amendment already, is not surprising.
That goes without saying.
I mean, this whole thing happened before Musk was even born, but the point still stands. Divide and rule.
Even in death, they fear what he stood for. That kind of legacy tells you everything about the system and who it’s built to silence.
He was portrayed a few times briefly in the movie Trial of the Chicago 7, played by Kelvin Harrison, Jr.
Judas and the Black Messiah had him portrayed by Daniel Kaluuya.
Won an Oscar for it, no less.
Fight fire with water
Jfc that’s dark. Fred Hampton was a badass who was murdered by the state. But that’s not enough and they shoot his fucking tombstone? Get the fuck over it! You already killed our guy to suppress a movement. You don’t have to be aggrieved any longer, you fucking pussies.
He was murdered by cops who have since retired, this is being done by newer pigs who want to show their loyalty to the boot.
The rest of the story from Wikipedia:
During the raid, Panther Mark Clark was also killed and several others were seriously wounded. In January 1970, the Cook County Coroner held an inquest; the coroner’s jury concluded that Hampton’s and Clark’s deaths were justifiable homicides.[14][15][16][17]
A civil lawsuit for wrongful death was later filed on behalf of the survivors and the relatives of Hampton and Clark.[18] It was resolved in 1982 by a settlement of $1.85 million (equivalent to $6.03 million in 2024); the U.S. federal government, Cook County, and the City of Chicago each paid one-third to a group of nine plaintiffs. Given revelations about the illegal COINTELPRO program and documents associated with the killings, many scholars now consider Hampton’s death, at age 21, a deliberate assassination at the FBI’s initiative. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fred_Hampton
Funny I just read that a bit ago, some of their sources cited appear to no longer work.
The FBI assassination part seems to be corroborated by this National Archive page https://www.archives.gov/research/african-americans/individuals/fred-hampton. I guess NARA being an official USA agency, they would not make a claim against the FBI without being certain.
Yes thats 100% true, Fred was drugged, moved to a different room, and killed while unconscious.
However all other aspects of the raid are inconsistent among various witnesses: who shot first, where the gunman in the first room was killed, how the police presented themselves, etc. The agents responsible deserved to face time for the wrongful killing of Fred, but the raid on the compound in itself is an expected outcome of the Black Panther’s actions. Their ideology created this outcome, using them as some sort of icon now 60 years later is disingenuous and pointless.
Link decay is actually a pretty serious problem that no one seems to have an answer to and it will only get worse.
I remember growing up people saying “Once, it’s on the internet. It’s there forever”. Turns out, the Internet is subjected the power of entropy like everything else.
Huge swathes of the internet being shut down via overzealous copyright enforcement isn’t entropy.
Like everything else that’s killing or at the very least making worse all the best qualities of the internet, it’s enshittification to maximize profits and corporate ownership of every aspect of life they can possibly get their greedily grasping hands on.
its very easily solvable from a technical standpoint. the reason we cant is entirely because of copyright laws.
archive.org page mirrors could be used instead of direct links, the problem is that archive.org is in danger of being sued for hosting those mirrors.
that would still leave a single point of failure, but if you implemented a bittorrent style version of archive.org you could easily archive any webpage and media forever.
everything structurally bad about the internet is bad because of copyright laws.
It’s also part of the rewriting of history. AI is going to make the mutation of facts even easier as more people feel comfortable asking AI questions. They can program it to vomit out whatever misinformation they want.
Is there a fund or organization working to get this man a new headstone? It can be replaced annually, sp needs some organization behind it.
I lazaliy asked chatgpt
It appears there was but it concluded
Instead it suggests helping preserve his childhood home
https://www.gofundme.com/f/SaveTheHamptonHouse51
Edit: verify how legit it is on your own. I put in very little effort on my end.
You have angered the luddites
Good
Do less next time
I’m doing so little, I’m not even gonna finish th
Then find an answer to a question but warn I haven’t researched enough to know how legit it was?
No thanks. I’m fine with my effort on a 10 min break unpaid break. how much effort did you put in?
Complaining is easy and pointless. At least my effort wasnt “none”. Where is your ten minutes?
As for the concept “every bullet is a badge of honor” I disagree. If the stone is unreadable there’s nothing to look into. On the other side there is extreme power in “well rebuild, Everytime. We haven’t forgotten either”
That’s just my view. Take it or leave it.
Sometimes a lazy answer is worse than no answer
Give me one example btw? “Sometimes a lazy answer is worse than no answer”
What are your examples? Lol. Complaining is useless. I provided answers.
https://xkcd.com/978/ The problem is that a lazy answer builds credibility for a source or fact. You may try to disclaim that it’s unreliable, but the mere act of suggesting an answer implies your own support for it.
“I’ve heard there’s studies that suggest vaccines cause autism.” is a lazy answer to the question of vaccine safety that ignores the complicated nature of academic research. What it does do is build consensus. Over time, that lazy answer repeated gets you to state where a lot of people doubt the safety of vaccines.
I realize we all live busy lives and nobody has time to research things in great depth. Some people barely research major purchase decisions. What people are trying to communicate here is that an AI answer has very low credibility along the lines of “my uncle who works at Nintendo”.
We don’t need you to act as a human interface for ChatGPT. If you want to use ChatGPT, use it as a starting point for your own research. Ask it questions like “Where could I find information on this topic?” and go from there. Of course, that’s a lot of work; but you can always choose not to post.
If you have life experiences that give you insight into a topic, or you did research and found a good source; please comment and share your insights. They add value to the conversation and it’s why most of us are here.
No one else has an answer. They were interested in having answer. I found found one.
Don’t compare me to someone speaking nonsense about vaccines. That’s crazy talk.
I was clear open and honest, I even suggested people find their own information. I just offered a jumping off point.
This is really well put
When given an answer, people will trust it, even when told not to trust it.
Not an example
https://fundrazr.com/11bgb5?ref=ab_2G1YUbDMzxm2G1YUbDMzxm
took a few seconds
“fred hampton gravestone donations”
That’s the old one I mentioned. You can’t donate. Do better.
On one hand, I can appreciate you doing some work. On the other hand, an actual fundraiser was my first result upon googling “Fred Hampton gravestone fundraiser”, which is far quicker than asking ChatGPT would have been. You put in extra effort for worse results (your link has nothing to do with his grave, and instead seeks landmark status for his home). So I believe “do less next time” is a pretty apt response.
Edit: I’ve emboldened a portion of this comment to emphasize it more. I was not intending to start a whole argument over this. It was meant to be a simple criticism of the method.
But it was about the same effort and got very similar results. I mean, you put in a whole lot more effort into your reply and yet you’re criticizing people of doing too much. I don’t get it. Does ChatGPT trigger people this much?
It’s annoying and so are the people who defend it to death like you
I’m defending it to death now? Lmao ok
Personally, I find it more annoying when someone starts accusing others of things that have not happened but to each their own.
His result was wrong. He brought up the old donation site I mentioned was now unable to accept donations. He did more work and got less results.
Their point was not about donating but that the fundraiser had changed focus, which was true. If it had been specifically about donating, then I’d agree.
I have no issue with ChatGPT, I simply dislike when people rely on it as their first and only source and give unhelpful answers because of it. (Edit: Not to mention ChatGPT can be quite dangerous when used this way. Its a bad habit that shouldn’t be encouraged.)
And I wouldn’t say I put in more effort in my response considering the amount of caveats they added in theirs about how they asked chatgpt and have no idea if its real. Our responses were similar in length, mine is just all one paragraph and so looks bigger. If I had responded to the original question, I would have just dropped a link and that would have been the end of it.
I simply dislike it when people rely on it as their first and only source
But they were clear about what they did. It’s similar, but what you’re saying doesn’t apply here.
I’m only comparing your response to their effort asking ChatGPT. My point is that typing up a comment on Lemmy is much more effort than formulating a question for ChatGPT, which is negligible, making the entire argument around how much effort one exerts in what a bit forced. Idk, I find it unproductive when there are better points to argue about.
Your answer was wrong. Mine wasn’t. You provided a wrong answer with the same amount of work I put in to provide the correct answer. How is that better?
Again your charity link is useless and old now. It does nothing. The closest in maintaining his child hood home. I provided the correct answer. You were wrong and prideful because you wasted more time to find less. Congratulations.
Edit: I don’t actually care enough to have a full-blown argument over this. Especially not one seeping into mild personal attacks territory.
(my original response)
I promise I have no pride in my ability to google search four keywords. Conversely, you seem rather prideful in your ability to ask an LLM a question. Good job I guess?
And how is yours the correct answer while mine is wrong? The link you provided about his childhood home is also an inactive fundraiser. That is to say, a completely unhelpful link. And you call me prideful lol. I would have at least linked the actual relevant old fundraiser unlike you.
And again, I didn’t waste any more time googling four keywords and clicking the first link than you did opening ChatGPT and asking it an actual question.
I’ve have no pride in my bones at all. I’ll admit wrong, I even said that it was a possibility in my edit
You claimed you found the better answer, an answer I already explained was wrong. no pride involved on my end. I was very very clear about my effort. You did worse. These are facts not pride.
chatgpt isn’t a source, stop making the internet worse.
Even if ignoring I provides the answer… It’s pretty silly that you think my one comment on lemmy effects the Internet as a whole. Grown-up.
Thank you
Honestly, every bullet chipped hole is a badge of honor. ACAB
I aspire
If anyone you know loves comedy, you can listen to 2 white guy comedians recount this story:
https://www.google.com/search?q=fred-hampton+dollop
While they can make even this story hilarious, America really lost a lot when this man was murdered…
Suddenly remembering those youtube videos about that super bouncy metal toy with a stainless steel ball…
(Joke is, he made every sound in this song with bouncing metal ball bearings on stuff.)
We need armed guards at this site. They shoot, we shoot back. Oh no, fat little piggy took one in the neck trying to act tough? Oh well.
You’re on first shift duty
Do you think a government that is okay bombing civilian in other countries would have issue sending drones or bombing a place regardless of who is there in US soil?
And that’s not even a hypothetical question…
That is seriously fucked up
There’s a great movie that goes over all this called Judas and The Black Messiah. It’s definitely worth a watch
After watching this movie, and researching Fred Hampton afterwards, I became a member of the peaceful off-shoot of the Black Panther Party, now called The Collective Black People Movement. They do good work with local unions and political activism. Consider supporting them.
Can you join if you’re not black?
Absolutely! Fred Hampton was all about building a rainbow coalition
Hell yeah!
It’s a little too dramatized to call it a documentary, but it’s a fairly accurate retelling of an important American story. Better than half of the movies I ever watched in history class as a kid.
This is a movie that US citizens should watch. Not because it’s a good film (it is, though), but because it’s an important story in our (very recent) history.
