A senior executive at the Social Security Administration was physically dragged from his office this week after clashing with DOGE, according to The Washington Post.
Greg Pearre, a career civil servant who led an IT team working on the agency’s data systems, was removed over his opposition to a DOGE plan to cut off immigrants from key financial services, three people told the Post.
The scheme cooked up by Elon Musk’s DOGE squad falsely lists thousands of migrants as dead in a Social Security database known as the “death master file.”
Being entered into the death database cuts a person off from crucial financial services, like the ability to receive government benefits and access a bank account or credit card.
How much of a POS do you have to be to work for them or fElon?
I’m sorry but “goons” will never not be a hilarious word.
Every one of those goons has names, and individually decided to go along with what they knew was wrong.
Idkgaf if they knew or not but if that helps yall sleep go nuts
I say we hack the shit out of them indiscriminately in retribution
Why arent they being charged with assault?
Charged by who? By themselves?
The police.
Ghm. Listen, guys. He said “Police”! Yeah. Governmental organization members should be charged by the police. Oh… Yeah… Police… What a joker you are…
If they physically dragged someone out of their office they should be, yes.
Doesn’t matter if they are government workers too.
The person needs to ask the police to charge them. And they also need to get a lawyer.
The police don’t just randomly charge people they have no interaction with.
Yeah, they just beat them and dump their bodies out past the county line.
Stop that… I have limits in laughing. Yeah, police. Charge. DOGE. Cool. Ok.
The defenders of capital? Fat chance
The capitalism that is, ironically, being destroyed?
Financial crimes aren’t real crimes like hungry people stealing food, you silly goose.
The literal purpose of DOGE is to be above the law. To operate outside of the bounds of the law, with the implicit or explicit approval of the Fuhrer.
The police don’t bring charges to court. Lawyers do.
Yall really nerd to learn more bout the legal system, there are tons of misconceptions in this thread. Spend a weekend in jail, you’ll learn something.
If we totally have a problem with dead people wrongly receiving benefits, then Musk’s logic is we should intentionally categorize people incorrectly as dead to counteract that? Rather than ensuring the database is accurate?
Are you questioning the methods of the worlds most brilliant engineer!?
Sounds like a great lawsuit.
I understand they’re handing out pardons like candy these days.
Can’t pardon a lawsuit. Lawsuits are civil; pardons are for criminal cases. Those staffers could be bankrupted, which would be hilarious.
Elon will just pay the settlement for them with $DOGE or $TRUMP. Monetary punishment is not a deterrent for anyone in the current administration.
Elon will just pay the settlement for them with $DOGE or $TRUMP.
Or he just won’t. What’s anyone going to do about it?
Judges have broad power to enforce civil settlements. Just look at all the shit that NY did to Trump to collect on the E Jean Carroll lawsuit. I’m not sure whether she actually collected, but I assume he sold enough $TRUMP to easy marks to pay for it all.
She hasn’t seen a dime from him and never will in the remainder of her lifetime. If she was much younger and trump hadn’t won again she might have had a chance, but her victory is basically symbolic only. I’m sure you know that the rich can just keep appealing what amounts to forever since the legal system crawls at the speed of a sloth. Legal, and especially financial consequences do not apply to oligarchs.
It got far enough that the judge made Trump secure a bond for the full amount in case he couldn’t pay. I assume he finally did pay up, in fact it might have forced him deeper into crypto once he realized people would pay for his shitty tokens.
Elon will just pay the settlement for them with $DOGE or $TRUMP
Or Smellania
Doesn’t mean people shouldn’t still sue and bleed that fuck dry like he’s bleeding everyone else.
Keep suing it until the rest of the shit bags cut the line, turn on them, and leave them for dead. Like Giuliani
We just pardoned a corporation.
Wait what? I think I missed that.
However that’s just one of many sources where you can learn more about this. Don’t know the legitimacy of this particular site.
Holy shit! He’s basically given them a license for unlimited money laundering with no repercussions! 🤬
As for The Hill, it’s generally skewed to the Right (though not as far right as the fascist GOP) on anything subjective, but usually pretty reliable otherwise.
Correct. For criminal acts. As Mitt Romney said, “Corporations are people, my friend.” (Yes, I know corporate personhood makes no sense, but this is the messed up world we live in.)
I understand that. And as you noted we’re well past the point of law and making sense. 2 plus 2 is now fish because the Supreme Court said so.
I hope we have some legal sense remaining to where what you’re saying makes sense. It would be a small confirmation law is still a thing.
We’re not past the point of law, there’s just an executive-in-chief who thinks he is. Law still applies to everyone else.
He’s openly defying the SCOTUS, and nothing is happening. The law doesn’t apply to him, therefore it doesn’t apply to us. We are all already dead in the US. Stay armed. If they come for you, make them pay with their lives. Make them fear “just following orders.”
If you’re in the US, you’re already dead. Your body just hasn’t gotten the message yet. Fight like the cornered badgers we are.
Christ, first it was politely holding up paddles, now it’s a fucking lawsuit
We are BEYOND all that shit my dudes.
No no, not instead of - it’s in addition to.
If anyone, especially someone for DOGE, makes physical contact with me in a threatening manner, I’m breaking faces. Self defense is legal, these aren’t cops, and that is assault. I’m also disgusted that coworkers didn’t help out. Restrain the attackers, have them arrested. The president can only pardon federal crimes but I’m sure some was some illegally at the local level.
Self defense is legal, these aren’t cops, and that is assault.
lol
These are the fucking brownshirts, good luck with that.
Then best make it hurt.
jail
It was jail either way
That’s what is making me anxious is that people stood by and let this happen. Doesn’t give me hope for any sort of actual resistance when push comes to shove here.
It might be because people don’t do well in a crisis and tend to seek out the normal. Like grabbing your luggage in a burning plane, or standing around in a medical situation. How to fix this? The immediate one is to have someone take charge and give instruction to others. For example in the medical example, you don’t ask for help, you point at people and give them a duty, like calling 9-1-1 or getting something to help the victim. They’ll do it, they just needed direction because their brain is stuck.
More importantly in this case, we need resistance and protesting to become a normal thing that people see and are exposed to. Then when they get into a situation where a reaction is needed, they’ll have something to fall back on what to do and how to act. For most people they’re still stuck in the “get back to normal” mode and hoping that things will get better if they just wait it out.
You’re absolutely right. It just sucks to think about and I like to think I’d be better in this situation. Won’t know until I am though.
No, it’s hard to train yourself for the unknown. I’m great in a crisis at work since I know things and have experience, and it’s actually where I’ve seen it in action. Coworkers without that expertise standing wondering what to do, they just need a direction and things get done. But could I do the same in a medical situation or a disaster, or in this case a political upheaval? I like to think so, but I don’t know.
You can’t train for the unknown, but you can give yourself the ability to organize and plan your way out of difficult situations by setting clearly definable and attainable goals.
Yes, and for generally anything this is a good idea. From fire drills to bad weather plans (mass shootings in the US, yay), know what to do and where to go. It’s just a bit surreal that we’re now having to talk about doing the same thing for government suppression acts and civil disturbance. But it’s here, apparently.
You know sometimes I forget that not everyone has hyper vigilance from PTSD
This is true. People are bad at crisis and it’s not something a set of skills you can easily practice. I do think some hobbies probably help- some stressful video games, some sports and sporting-like things like paintball- but on the whole a lot of people live pretty simple lives where the most surprising, stressful, thing to happen is they almost burned their microwave popcorn. Nothing wrong with that, but sometimes it leads to disappointing behavior
Not that most people would, but you can get training to this end. I remember Vsauce had a mindfield episode about the bystander effect and people’s willingness to stand up to injustice happening right in front of them. It stuck with me.
Keep weapons nearby.
Buy guns. Also, read manuals on improvised explosives and guerilla tactics. You can do this at your local library for free.
You can buy guns at the library?? Wow, libraries really are amazing places!
Buy guns.
New sentence.
Also arm yourself with knowledge.
New sentence.
The library is free for now.
End of comment.
Too late, already bought a gun at my library.
Well, it was from a sketchy looking dude behind the library but whatever
Hey - tell Dennis whasup
He said to tell you he didn’t know about that thing, it was like that when he found it
I mean. I know a librarian. I mean, “a guy”.
Libraries rent things out, such as lawn mowers or bicycles. I wouldn’t be surprised if this gets normalized in Blue States, alongside free classes.
Have to do it soon. Libraries are under heavy attack right now federally, and if you live in a shit hole like Iowa, also from the state.
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You know how we can’t even get the most basic shit right, like a list of names? What if you invested $500 billion to let us turn every fucking aspect of life into some automated bullshit without the possibility of human reasoning available as an option to correct any mistakes?
Sounds amazing right? We knew you would love it. That’s why we’re the elite technologists.
The Daily Beast is really burying the actual story with that headline. The article is about Musk declaring alive people “dead” in a federal database. A database that is referenced by the whole world.
I think the rest of the world will stop trusting the US’s word about the status of anything. The boy who cried wolf has contracted rabies.
I think that has already been happening for a long time.
Ya know, dead people have some crazy perks.
They don’t owe anything on their debts, for one.
Time to max out those credit cards!
Being “dead” isn’t ideal if you have a mortgage that the bank can foreclose on.
Well, I suppose it’s time for the banks to move away from using Social Security numbers as a form of identification. Honestly, they should have done this years ago. SSNs were never intended to be used as a form of ID, but they were convenient, so banks did it anyway. But if Social Security records are no longer reliable, they no longer reliably list living and dead people, then banks will need to move to other forms of identification.
Possibly because that story’s already been out for a few days
Not for long if you can’t trust the data.
Greg Pearre is the only US federal worker with a spine, sounds like.
Eventually someone is going to shoot some DOGE agents dead and I won’t be mad.
He who saves his Country does not violate any Law
Not guilty
Will it happen, though? Trump staged a coup 4 years ago and no one did a thing about it. DOGE has been fucking around for months now and no one has done a thing. No one in the USA is going to do a thing about anything, post a meme on Lemmy maybe? They’re paralysed and unable to take action. They’ll never react.
I think it’s fair to say that not enough was done about the coup attempt, but there were hundreds of cases successfully prosecuted. That’s not ‘nothing’.
Trump was never prosecuted, was allowed to run again and is president again after his coup. Nothing was done. It’s going to get much worse because NOTHING WAS DONE.
The distinction they are making is that it wasn’t nothing, it just wasn’t nearly enough. Woefully so. However, some people tried, but the assholes were already installed to stall and block the attempts. There were legal processes being followed, but the right was not faithfully doing their jobs. This was because they were specifically installed in those positions to not do the right thing.
DOGE is a terrorist group, don’t fall for the agent narrative/propaganda.
Didn’t Luigi have a brother???
It should have happened at the beginning, when they first showed up, and started making demands in the lobby. They were an unauthorized force of illegal pirates, trying to access classified systems. They should have been gunned down the moment they tried to force their way past the front desk.
Then they “authorized” their existence, and now they have authority to go anywhere they want.
What are they like vampires being invited in?
America has already constructed such an effective social murder state that you can pretty readily enact a final solution simply by cutting people off from financial supports.
The status quo is the system unpersons and kills you by neglect if you can’t make rent. This development is an escalation for sure, but it’s just the mask slipping, the senseless cruelty has been there all along.
Be outraged at this, but also please get involved helping people who are uhoused where you live, with money, food, supplies, whatever you can.
This sounds oddly similar to the early days of SS which started as an organized bunch of goons serving the nazi party as security guards.
I’m sure it was just a misunderstanding, don’t get hysterical. /s
To be clear for any dummies like me who just woke up and are reading this, this comment is comparing DOGE to the early days of the Nazi Schutzstaffel, not comparing Greg’s bravery to the early days of Social Security
American citizens are right at this moment, hurriedly preparing to do absolutely nothing in response.
Oh they have responses. Just shitty ones. Some will tell you that they are arming themselves, while others will tell you that it’s the fault of those that didn’t vote enough.
Best of luck to them at the next election. Meanwhile they can just buy more guns. They will be totally useful when the militarized fascist authorities will kidnap and deport them to El Salvador.
“What is there to do? I’ll start as soon as millions of others start first” a voice cries out from the back.
Good thing I’m not American!
I can’t wait to hear about some of these DOGE goons or Musk listed as dead.
