Lol, I’ll never understand these people. The word “retard” was never gone. At no point was it illegal or impossible to say it, similar to any other word. The worst consequence for saying something that’s bound to piss people off is just that, pissed off people. You never faced jail time and I can’t think of anyone “canceled” for it.
The worst consequence for saying something that’s bound to piss people off is just that, pissed off people.
There was a real moment during which celebrity reactionaries feared The R-Word would result in the kind of deplatforming and loss of advertising patronage historically reserved for The N-Word or any of the Seven Words You Can’t Say On TV (which, curiously, did not include the N-Word at the time).
So the worst consequences wouldn’t have simply been “pissed off people”. Perhaps they’d have endured lawsuits, de-platforming, or even vigilante violence (not uncommon in religiously-tinged censorship - like with the Piss Christ display or the Draw Mohammad contest).
You never faced jail time and I can’t think of anyone “canceled” for it.
Not when the current regime is friendly to your operation, no.
But if you look at what’s happening to pro-Palestinian activists and Women’s Liberation organizations, it’s obvious that state and civil institutions have lots of tools for fucking people over based entirely on their stated political views. The real defense that Rogan, et al enjoy is having their friends in charge.
They want to drop the hard R with zero blowback.
Ain’t no-one calling me ginger and getting away with it!
Unless they have a tinge of the ginge in their fringe.
We all know they have no souls. It’s not like they’re real people anyways.
Ginga, please!
Unfortunately for them they don’t get to control how others feel about it. They’re free to say it at any time though. All the redneck cowards I live near use it all the time, when no black people are around.
Racists and cowards. Lovely.
You should hear the ways they justify it when pressed. “You don’t have to be black to be a …”, “not all black folks are one, but this one is.”, “why do you care, you’re not black.”, etc.
They’re usually one and the same. You don’t come to hate entire races of people out of logical thinking.
Reported to the FBI for saying the R word
The word “re----” was
The gusp I gasped was so intense that I broke the pearls I was clutching.
It must be nice to have so much money and freedom from consequences that that’s the kind of thing that bothers you.
I’m absolutely convinced that there’s a certain threshold of money/power/privilege that just destroys a person’s humanity.
Nah, you’ve got it backwards. You don’t pursue that level of money/power/privilege unless you lack humanity. These guys were always shit, but power made them more effective at being shit.
Or such little money and brain cells that that’s the thing that inspires you to go out and vote against your own interests
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R****d fell out of favor probably close to 15 years ago at this point. Developmentally disabled/intellectual disability has replaced it.
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Right. You’re calling ‘that fucker’, ‘retarded.’ You see ‘a fucker’, and you decide to call them ‘a person with developmental challenges’.
You’re associating ‘people with developmental challenges’, with ‘fuckers’. Don’t.
Nobody’s “associating” anything. Nobody who’s calling someone retarded has any thoughts in their head about people with the mental disorder. If you called them a downie, then you would probably have a point; as it’s specifically worded to relate to downs syndrome.
But “retard” has come to be an amplification of the word “idiot”. It’s like the words big, bigger, biggest.
It’s the “biggest” of “idiot”.
So if I’m gonna call someone an idiot, my levels of idiot are: Idiot, Dumb-ass, and Retard. I’m just calling them the word that corresponds to being a gargantuan idiot. You can’t use “gargantuan” because they don’t even know what the words mean; so you use retard.
Nobody who’s calling someone retarded has any thoughts in their head about people with the mental disorder.
Right, except for the part where that’s the literal definition of the word. The literal definition.
The people who were diagnosed as ‘retarded’ as children and adults are still alive. It’s living memory. You think they don’t have any thoughts in their head about mental disorders?
“Retarded” isn’t a medical definition under IDC-11, so they aren’t retarded, as the medical definitions have changed.
Also Retarded has another standard definition – Being held back or stunted of which applies here.
Right, because it was being used as a slur. They stopped using that word to define those conditions because it was being used as a slur. Thanks for the good faith argument.
hey I have a question: how does everyone feel about “fucktard”? is that acceptable? it’s not a direct insult to persons with developmental disabilities, but it does have a fairly specific connotation that could be useful in certain situations, plus it throws out an F-bomb to emphasize your anger.
but if that’s too offensive for some folks I guess I can just keep using “fuckmouth”, if that’s easier on the ears.
I’m rolling dude! haha
Lmao, that’s a stretch.
Maybe try to come up with a more creative way to insult people than by using a slur?
This is the same logic behind saying the f-slur is okay if you’re not using it to describe gay people, you’re just using it to insult a straight person… by comparing them to gay people. See the problem?
No, because I’m not calling anybody a faggot.
No, because I’m not calling anybody a removed.
Just so you know. (I’m guessing you weren’t removing it yourself for a joke.)
So you understand why it’s bad to use a slur that way?
I don’t understand how so many people fail to see what you’re saying and have downvoted your comment so much. I think it’s a lot of millennials (I’m one) who have funny memories growing up calling things retarded and gay and they’re just… unwilling to give it up now. It’s not that hard to use other words.
It’s honestly very disappointing to see this here on Lemmy. I’d expect this from Reddit, but I thought people here were better than this.
I agree. It’s all emotional and irrational. Even if you’re making a good point, you get downvoted because it’s an emotional response. Similarly, someone saying something stupid but in line with the general sentiment gets upvoted. Sucks to see it here.
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if […] they did something stupid, I’m not gonna say “wow, that person’s a developmentally disabled!”
Thank you for illustrating the point. Those terms were chosen for a reason - so society would stop using diagnoses as perjoratives.
In other words, the entire reason we say “developmentally disabled” (or whatever the nom du jour is), is because people like you insist on associating developmental disabilities with bad things.
Even if you only use the word “retarded” as an insult, then you are still equating the group of people with the insult.
Again.
If the word “retard” is fine as an insult for you, than you consider intellectual disabilities to be worthy of insult.
Can we still call people morons?
Yes.
That one stopped being used as a medical designation prior to people getting their panties in a twist about using medical designations as insults.
I don’t know about you, but calling someone less intelligent IS an insult. Doesn’t matter what you name it.
That’s the point of insults you know.
Thank you for confirming your meaning.
You’re not just calling them less intelligent. You’re labelling them as a member of a group of vulnerable people. By doing so, you imply that being a member of that group is insulting. You imply that members of that group are worthy of insult.
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Enjoy being edgy, I guess. It’s sad to see so many people are so easily swayed by the idea that empathy is weakness. It costs absolutely nothing to be considerate.
This is why I prefer “willful ignoramus” when I want to insult a person like Rogan. These people aren’t just stupid, they’re choosing to be ignorant.
The real problem is the stigma attached (throughout modern history) to people with intellectual disabilities. Every new term eventually became a slur, because the same bigots who use slurs are also bullies.
“Intellectual disabilities” has a slim chance of avoiding this because it’s too long to say and too hard to spell.
Btw, “lame” and “blind” are examples of how it’s similar for all kinds of disabilities.
Unfortunately yes
OK, so you and your boss act like children. Thanks for outing yourself.
Yeah, because it’s hilarious and takes the edge out of the day. It’s funny when I’ve just spent 15 minutes trying to find something, but didn’t see it because it was up too high.
Oh, you’re short. Now your attitude and comments make perfect sense.
Joe Rogan is also short, so this clocks. It always comes back to getting no bitches in highschool. Disco Elysium baby!
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Come on
And slam
And welcome to the
JAM
I watched Space Jam with my daughter last night.
Wow what a fucking turd. I remembered it so fondly too, in reality I think theres about 30 minutes of closeups on Michael Jordans face.
Don’t blaspheme in this holy house, heretic!
Retarded is what you call your friends when they’re being retarded
Michael Scott
You see, the problem with that word is that people who want to keep it around really make me wanna use it.
I’m not american and don’t care about politics but I was watching a show the other day and when Rogan appeared as a guest I had to shut off after 5 minutes. This person is so annoying I couldn’t stand. Don’t know how you guys do it. I didn’t even liked him in newsradio and I loved the show.
That’s crazy. Anyway, have you tried DMT?
Once he had Alex Jones on his show peddling “clean coal” I stopped listening to him.
Idiot! Imbecile! Moron!!
What’s interesting about those is that they were originally medical terms (which I’m guessing @[email protected] knows). But, for those who don’t:
Moron was coined by a psychologist in 1910. He tried to make it fancy by using an ancient greek word “moros” which meant “dull”. It wasn’t an insult, it was meant to be a clinical term “used to describe a person with a mental age in adulthood of between 7 and 10 on the Binet scale.”
Imbecile “originally referred to people of the second order in a former and discarded classification of intellectual disability, with a mental age of three to seven years and an IQ of 25–50”.
Idiot “was formerly a technical term in legal and psychiatric contexts for some kinds of profound intellectual disability where the mental age is two years or less”.
Then they became used in popular culture just to insult someone or describe someone who was stupid. Even their order changed. I’d say “Idiot” is the least insulting now, but used to be considered the most developmentally challenged.
In any case, “retard” also started as a clinical term, actually meant to replace idiot, imbecile and moron because they had become too widely used by the public and seen as insulting. Handicapped and disabled replaced retard when it was seen as too insulting. Then things moved on to “differently abled” or “challenged”. It’s been called the euphemism treadmill.
In the end, saying “retarded” was never illegal, at least in the US. It was just seen as crude. That hasn’t changed. It’s just that people who worried that being seen as crude might hold them back no longer think they have to worry.
They’re talked about in this film
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stupidity_(film)
Stupidity is a 2003 Canadian satirical documentary film directed by Albert Nerenberg
I think theres a copy on youtube.
Honestly you probably shouldn’t use those words either
Actually idiot might be ok
They’re obsolete in original meaning. I came across these words in the film Stupidity. It’s a bit dated, from 2003. I think there is a copy on youtube.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stupidity_(film)
The film questions “why stupidity is such a slippery concept to grasp and why so few people are talking about it.”
Roided retard Rogan relishes resurrected…ribbing? Shit, I’m stumped.
Rampant, regurgitated right-wing rhetoric really reeks.
I feel like I’m reading a season opener for Letterkenny.
How about it’s just in poor taste to use it and its use probably says more about the user than the target?
And, if you use it, just be prepared for someone to take exception to you using it and you might just trigger yourself an ass beating or some other adverse consequence. Kind of like playing with fire crackers or bullet ants. Maybe, just maybe, you can find a better way to insult someone that’s a little more clever and incisive and makes you look like less of an ignorant asshole.
I couldn’t agree more! South Park is funnier with the beeps for a very good reason. Creatively stepping around saying offensive things is usually way funnier and more interesting.
They can’t afford to expend the mental energy overhead required. Their mental bandwidth is constrained enough as it is.
In my book, if someone says their a fan of Joe Rogan or they quote him, they’re dead to me.
Seems fair to me. I wish I lived in a world where the only platform he’d find is a street corner where no listens to his ranting.
Sometimes my pedantry can’t help itself, but the "their"s you used should have been "they’re"s
I make an exception for using it against these snowflakes. If they’re not supposed to be tarded in the literal sense, it makes more than perfect sense to call them it. They’re doing it to themselves, and when one can choose not to wear the robes of a bigotted moron, it’s more then fair to use harsh words against them.
… and if you say we should be kind to these ilk of humanity… I ask you; where does the line for self defense begin? When someone would gladly stab you in the back, it is distinctly not time to extend them the honor of actual humanity.
What a mong.
Fun fact! ‘Mong’ is an abbreviation of ‘mongoloid’, a term used as a slur for people with Down’s Syndrome. The fun part is that the reason for the term being used is quite clever! Those with Down’s Syndrome have a usually noticeable difference in their facial structure, with a wide, flatter face and smaller eyes. Features that are rarely found elsewhere, first discovered in natives of the country Mongolia!
damn I wonder which white guy discovered those features in the Mongol population, crazy that they all missed them
So the steroids got to his last brain cells. Good for him.
The word should be exclusively used to refer to Joe Rogan from now on
I’m down for that
It’s okay if he uses that word, he has the pass. The ivermectin really set his IQ below Forest Gump levels.
Wonder how long he would think this if everyone just started introducing him as “The Retard, Joe Rogan.” I’d bet the very millisecond it started to affect him personally, he’d be changing his tune. These fucking ghouls don’t want freedom of speech, they want the ability to police OUR speech.
What did ghouls ever do to you?
It’s only when they go feral that they’re a problem.
Isn’t that how people already refer to him?
He deserves much worse words tbh
