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That’s just wild. The one silver lining to T2 is that I’m not shocked by anything anymore. It’s still outrageous, but the surprise is gone.
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Trump is crazy but I still think its possible it was a lab leak. But of course everyone here is 100% confident it wasnt, so no point trying to discuss it.
As a general rule: Never accuse anyone of a serious crime unless you have evidence to back it up.
I think we should discuss different scenarios without having evidence. Thats how several different theories form in the first place. And then people figure out what happened.
You are probably aware that a lot of events are explained a certain way in public, but actually occured a different way.
A lab leak was not allowed to be discussed in 2020.
who cares if it was a lab leak or not, a comet hitting the earth could have been sent by evil aliens, you still have to appropriately deal with the adtermath
who cares if it was a lab leak or not
If gain of function experiments lead to a pandemic and millions of needless deaths, then maybe we should better control gain of function experiments.
The “ANDREW CUOMO: FAILURE” at the bottom of the government site is some random shade, but I enjoy that at least. Fuck Andrew Cuomo
Yeah, fuck Cuomo, but a lot of the reasons for New York’s poor performance at the start of COVID were structural issues that were out of his control.
Agreed. He’s such a piece of shit. I mean, fuck Trump, but also, fuck Cuomo.
So… Chinese Americans (and anyone vaguely Asian looking) the next to be sent to concentration camps?
Sinophobia was already rampant and bipartisan.
Deliberately fueled by the government.
Like the embarrassing ‘spy’ balloon farce as an example.Not going to make excuses for the democrats, I am saying our nazi government needs more scapegoats, and they’re back to spreading lies about them. It’s the first step like calling all immigrants ms13.
also true
Regardless of where it actually came from (probably bats) this site is just propaganda.
China had a Wuhan Covid research lab with lax safety standards, is it really a conspiracy?
Usually you’d assume a high probability at least?
Yeah, i agree. I’m not sure of the website but there’s at least a 7/10 chance that lab played a part in this. Feels bad you’re being downvoted by bots that already made up their mind.
What does it matter if it came from a research lab or a market? It’s a highly mutagenic rna virus and it WILL happen again. Wtf man. There are literally thousands of labs studying coronavirus snd one of them did the research that led to the vaccine that saved millions.
It needs to be fixed so it doesn’t happen again.
You can’t prevent virus mutation and human infection. All you can do is prepare for it by studying and researching as much as possible.
People that are ignorant would call for research to stop. Without the previous research we probably still wouldn’t have a vaccine. Which saved millions.
You can’t prevent virus mutation
You can avoid creating an artificial mutation at the furin cleavage site which hasn’t happened in nature before or since.
This is absolutely a lie and is obvious based upon sequence analysis. Coronavirus is one of the most mutagenic in existence. Wild type has already been identified multiple times with the same spike protein changes.
Proof or STFU.
The insertion of FCS sequences into SARS-like viruses was a specific goal of work proposed by the EHA-WIV-UNC partnership within a 2018 grant proposal (“DEFUSE”) that was submitted to the US Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency (DARPA)
https://theintercept.com/2021/09/06/new-details-emerge-about-coronavirus-research-at-chinese-lab/
PRRA furin cleavage motif at the spike glycoprotein S1/S2 junction by a progenitor of SARS-CoV-2 is absent in other known lineage B beta-coronaviruses, including the newly discovered coronaviruses in bats from Laos and Vietnam, which are the closest known relatives of the covid virus; and, (ii) it introduced the pair of arginine codons (CGG-CGG), whose usage is extremely rare in coronaviruses. With an occurrence rate of only 3%, the arginine CGG codon is considered a minority in SARS CoV-2.
https://bmcgenomdata.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/s12863-023-01169-8
And I see you’ve added another link from a non peer reviewed bullshit article that claims some similarity in sequence proves it’s human made? You are an idiot. Let me be clear: the critical spike protein sequence is so similar between other coronavirus that the critical work in designing a presentable antigen responsible for vaccine development was already done by Jason McClellan’s lab at Dartmouth before COVID-19 happened. That mRNA sequence was licensed by both Pfizer and Moderna.
Basic science research of coronavirus saved millions of lives because the critical hard and time consuming work had already been done.
This will happen again. And your bullshit conspiracy have gotten research shut down that may cost millions of lives.
Do you even read your own bullshit?
From your fucking link: “None of the viruses listed in the write-ups of the experiment are related to the virus that causes Covid-19, SARS-CoV-2”
Just like I thought. Your ignorance of biology does not prove your paranoia.
Ok, so people not overwhelmed by the election may remember that even under Biden last year, it was suggested as a solid, if not more likely possibility. Now, their position ultimately was “we don’t think we’ll ever find the truth” but I think part of that is also knowing that finding out is generally not with the trouble.
Naturally Trump doesn’t care about truth or being nuanced with an “probability” of something, so they’re going to be a bit more definitive.
yes it was very clear it is a leak from the research that lab is doing, their research paper about covid prior to the leak still available!
What is a real conspiracy theory is why they refuse to acknowledge the possibility of a leak ! All of them kept saying “It is not a leak” “if you say it is a leak it is a conspiracy theory” it was so bad how they attack anyone suggest it is a leak, I remember people getting banned in reddit for pointing out news or research about the origin or patient zero.
A lab leak will always be a conspiracy theory, in theory a group of people conspired to keep a secret. Even when people like the FBI Director Christopher Wray’s comment that the bureau believes Covid-19 “most likely” originated in a “Chinese government-controlled lab”
Then you have conspiracy of [Peter Daszak leading the WHO investigation] (https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2025/01/20/corrupt-british-zoologist-sanction-wuhan-experiments-covid/)
Wrong. Proof or STFU. Wild type exists with the critical sequence. COVID-19 was not created in a lab. We’ve known that for years. Your ignorance doesn’t prove your paranoia.
Not really. German intelligence just concluded a lab leak was the most likely source. Genetic analysis lines up with that, it’s genetically odd. We will likely never get a “broad st pump” or patient zero for COVID but in April 2025 if you were filing a civil case against the Wuhan institute of virology you would win by the evidence it’s more likely than not.
This is a lie. Sequence analysis was done extensively early on and the critical spike protein changes exist in nature. In fact, that’s what the previous 10 years of research which the vaccine was based upon was done on MERS. Proof or STFU. Your ignorance of biology does not prove your paranoia.
I didn’t say it was a sure sign of being made in a lab, it doesn’t have anything so smoking gun. More the weakness to UV would be common for lab strains among other traits. Again with the you’re never going to get a broad street pump. Ever.
The rigid thinkers among us have a hard time accepting the changing landscape of facts but yes someone probably fucked up at WIV. Just wait for someone to fuck up in Georgia with all these budget cuts.
We need more research not less. And removing all government oversight and regulations will make fuck ups incredibly common, as you say.
More the weakness to UV would be common for lab strains among other traits
What do you mean by this? This doesn’t make any sense. Lab strains mutate just like wild type. If you expose a viral to mutagenic factors (ie UV) it creates mutations that 99.9% of the time cause the virus to be non viable.
Meaning it’s preferable to pick strains weak to UV because UV is common for sterilization tech especially air and it’s likely a lab strain wouldn’t need to mutate such a trait just hitch a ride out of the facility end of shift. That said the animal suspected is the nocturnal bat so.
Like something for all of you to think about. The room the bats are in does not have UV internally, it would hurt the bats. Bats have claws and teeth. Those level 4 suits aren’t made of mythril
No I’m not buying you brand. Your specific concern is unwarranted.
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So did it originate in a Wuhan Lab or not? I keep hearing one thing then another.
Not trying to confuse the issue, I legitimately don’t know.
At this point, I don’t care. It’s just something that can be weaponized.
No one know because China are not going to admit if it was a lab leak. Also lab leaks doesn’t mean the virus is human made. However there are some un-answerd questions. There were scientists spies that got caught with sample from Canadian labs flying to China, and there was some concern about military funding and other few things that support the leak theory. However it is not conclusive evidence. So it stay at the theory level.
There were scientists spies that got caught with sample from Canadian labs flying to China.
I think this fact is coincidence and not covid related in the slightest.
So the narrative is COVID was a dangerous lab leak - but also, you don’t have to wear a mask?
Consistency is not a strong point of these dumbasses.
If they thought clearly, they wouldn’t be prime targets for conspiracy theories and propaganda. We’re talking about people who can’t think rationally.
It’s pretty standard to play both extremes simultaneously, and people just pick whichever they want to relate to at any given moment.
eg.
- (such-and-such group) are lazy, but also they are taking all the jobs.
- They are stupid, but also have secret organisations that control the world, with mind-control, and lasers that control the weather, etc.
- They are snowflakes obsessed with inclusiveness, but also they want (target-minority-group) to take over.
- They are against free speech; and we must silence them.
I’m sure others can think of more, and variations on those.
The enemy is both strong and weak.
Just a note: It would have been easier to read your post if you used brackets instead of parentheses.
I don’t think there’s enough evidence to conclusively say that it was natural or that it was a lab leak. There is actually quite a lot of evidence that it was a lab leak, but this website looks like such BS.
There’s also good evidence that Jeanne Calment was not the world’s oldest woman, but was instead her mother. Also, it’s well-understood that lightbulb manufacturers conspired to lower lifespans of bulbs throughout the 20th century. Just because there was a conspiracy don’t mean it ain’t real.
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The lightbulb cartell existed, but it wasn’t like we could have had lightbulbs that would have lasted longer with the same efficiency and light output.
The difference between a conspiracy theory and a conspiracy is that the latter has actual evidence for it. I don’t think that’s the case for the lab leak “theory”.
Here’s an analysis of a debate about whether it is or is not a lab leak. There’s very compelling arguments on both sides, but I find the lab leak angle to have the most evidence for it.
I think I understand why people assume it can’t be a leak – it sounds like fiction; people have said this about previous events and turned out to be wrong; it would be bad for China if true, so it must be politically motivated. It’s okay, you can relax and join me in the ranks of people who are open minded to either outcome.
(Edit: This is a stupid aside, but you define theory as something with no evidence for it, and then put lab leak “theory” in quotes as though you don’t think it fits that definition.)
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The tall letters in all caps.
The dramatic fade to blue.
Trump standing in the middle.
The fancy font on 𝓒𝓸𝓿𝓲𝓭.Oooh the tackiness is too much to bear
Like if nothing else this admin has hired a good designer tho
That’s some serious AboveTopSecret bullshit right there.
First this, then releasing 10000 pages worth of John F. Kennedy files. lol these are right out of the dictator’s handbook to public agenda manipulation. Trump can’t even do the dictator thing very well, it is such a rookie level move.
I would have preferred a simple 1 page faq with who did it and how was the government involved if at all.
I always wondered what it would be like to live in oppressive regimes like Russia or China. Also never thought I’d live through a pandemic. Checking all the boxes lately.
Everyone except for the people who get sent to El Salvador…
