- cross-posted to:
- [email protected]
- cross-posted to:
- [email protected]
cross-posted from: https://lemmit.online/post/5691972
This is an automated archive made by the Lemmit Bot.
The original was posted on /r/technology by /u/Wagamaga on 2025-04-19 17:06:58+00:00.
You must log in or register to comment.
Musk already got what he wanted. He bought Trump, and Trump will give Palantir every ounce of government data to analyze, which was likely a sticking point for Palantir to cement them as the only viable product for the US governments future military applications. Once pandoras box is open for classified data its a little bit hard to close it, especially once they gain a dependence on it.
Palantir then buys his crappy xAI platform that recently bought Twitter.
Burn a Tesla, make the world a better place.
Burning makes the world a more dangerous and polluted place.
There are much more eco friendly ways to vandalise and immobilise.
What is an alternative to burning for long-term immobilization?
Asking for a friend.
Sometimes you gotta get creative.
For cypertruck, i heard Soap maybe?
That’s just gonna rust it
You need a wooden fence to totally immobilize a cyber truck
Hmm. Long term is a more difficult constraint.
I think short term can be just as effective at damaging Musk.
It’s hard to be mobile with deflated tyres.
Even just a dirty windshield and rear camera (on the top of the tailgate) will reduce Tesla share price without running the risk of a prison sentence.
Good, fuck those poorly made vehicles.
🖕Tesla
It’s crazy that one manufacturer being below 50% market share is news.
ear 100% EV market share just a few years back.
in cali, ev is big here.
They had near 100% EV market share just a few years back.
Losing half the market in 3-4 years is a huge change for any company, even if some of it was inevitable as rivals caught up and suprassed their offerings.
Musk really shot himself in the foot. He deserves it.
No, but don’t you understand? Tesla is not a car company, it’s an AI company. They were just making cars while developing AI systems. So it’s fine if they stop selling cars. So just keep buying TSLA stock and everything will work out great!
~Elmo
head next plz
In Europe Tesla isn’t even #1 on EV anymore, they have been surpassed by VAG aka Volkswagen Group.
Depending on how you compare, they are probably a little bit more expensive, but also higher quality.hur, hur, you said VAG
Glad I’m not the only full grown child reading the thread
Not that kind, we know because Elon hasn’t propositioned it
but also higher quality
That’s a low bar.
Just imagine if there wasn’t a crazy tariff on Chinese cars the figure would be even lower. BYD are making some great cars
BYDs are everywhere now in Australia. Not sure what alternative brands are available in the US, is it just Rivian?
Are you asking if Rivian is the only company besides Tesla selling electric cars in the US?
No, nearly all major manufacturers sell EVs. Something like 25 brands.
Edit: although a few of those may still only be selling plug-in hybrids. I know Alfa Romeo is one, for example.
I believe there was a 100% tariff in place pre-Trump meltdown on Chinese EVs in the U.S, making them less viable in that market. The EU also tariffs them heavily, which is quite a pity.
The EU also tariffs them heavily
Yes, to tip the scales back towards fair competition pricing by offsetting the subsidies the Chinese brands are getting from their government. It doesn’t fully offset it though, they’re still quite a lot cheaper than e.g. VW BEVs
And chinese EVs are still competitive in the EU. Tafiffs are effective, and can be positive, to prevent dumping and stuff, just not across the board.
rivian isnt even that widespread , and they are still testing some models. i can see them going for IONIQ 5, maybe mercedes, or bmw.
Ford has at least one now, I think VW does as well
Ford has 3, the F-150 Lightning and the unfortunately named Mustang Mach-E, and the E-Transit van I think is primarily for commercial customers.
the mercedes one is i used by amazon delivery.
Rivian & the 2 or 3 models the big manufacturers have. I see way more hybrids than full electrics in my area.
On the more affordable end around here I see a lot of electric cars from Ford, Chevrolet, Kia, and Hyundai around here, and to a lesser extent Volkswagen. On the high end it’s mostly Mercedes-Benz and BMW, sometimes Porsche. Once in a while I’ll see Rivian but they don’t have a dealership in our state. Even more rarely I’ll see Polestar, which does have a dealership in a city at the other end of the state, and at least one person here has a Lucid Air.
Edit: also on the high end, there’s at least one Hummer EV driving around here.
Depends on where you are in California I guess. I see more Rivians here than Cybertrucks.
And other Chinese brands!. The MG4 is super popular in Australia too. Can get it for about $38k AUD ($25k USD).
Even if Tesla wasn’t tarnished by association with Musk, they have absolutely nothing at the budget end of the market. ie for buyers that traditionally bought corollas, little Mazdas and Hyundai’s.
And BYD has the whole range, if I want a luxury sedan the BYD Seal goes toe to toe with the model 3.
I think China is going to eat everyone’s lunch here in the same way Japan did in the 70s/80s, and Korea went in even cheaper in the 90s and 00s (how many Hyundai Excels/Accents were there in Australia in late 90s early 00s).
Good.
What I’ve learned from insightful interactions in this thread is that Teslas are in fact the best car in existence, bar none. This whole situation about Elon Musk deciding to speak up as a fascist is just all very unfortunate. Other than the fascism thing, the only nits with Tesla is the image, and the countless broken promises, deceit and outright fraud should be ignored because other companies lie and cheat, too.
Elon: “and I took that personally…”
I refuse to believe that it was over 50%
This is only electric car market share.
Aptera can’t start shipping soon enough. Especially in sunny places like California. Drink Tesla’s milkshake. Drink it all up.
Rivian is ready.
Rivian is great, but really pricey and requires charging. Aptera is solar powered (or at least charges up to 50 miles/day on solar power alone). That’s what makes it exciting.
These guys are FAKE NEWS and Need to be DEPORTED for Hurting ELON MUSKS FEELINGS!
I have duly upvoted your obvious sarcasm.
Same
Another potential Tesla alternative to add to the list: https://www.telotrucks.com/
Huh, I didn’t think it was possible to out-ugly the cybertruck
It may be ugly, but it’s tiny and very functional. I’m very tempted to make that my commuter and occasional hauling stuff vehicle.
And you wouldn’t be supporting a Nazi in doing so! I’d support you in your goofy lil EV truck.
It’s no worse than some of the stuff Nissan has come out with over the years. Remember the cube?
The problem with the Tesla truck is that it is ugly without purpose, all the other oddly designed vehicles look the way they do because they have a particular unique feature (been small, having sliding minivan doors on a vehicle otherwise two small for them, having gull wing doors, removing a-pillars from the design, etc), but the cyber truck just looks like that to be contrarian.
Nah, for sure, I don’t disagree, I just saw the opportunity for a dumb low effort oneliner, lol.
Im personally looking forward to Edison EV conversions.
The ability to take a vehicle I already have and turn it into an EV or hybrid would be amazing.
I know they’re a while from full production, but I see that as a win. So many of these EVs are having quality issues because they’re being shit out onto the market as fast as humanly possible. I’d rather a company actually take the time to do R&D, test things thoroughly, and then release a product.
The biggest issue with an EV conversion is the weight of the batteries. For a lot of passenger cars, adding 500kg of batteries maxes out or even exceeds the vehicle’s gross weight.
These conversions replace the entire drivetrain so you’d be losing the weight of the V8, transmission, transfer case, and drivelines and replacing them with a little 4 cylinder engine, generator, and batteries.
Considering that even the hybrid cars made by car manufacturers themselves are heavier than their ICE counterparts, I don’t think that by retrofitting an older car you’ll get a better result.
For example, 2024 Hyundai Tucson curb weights:
Heaviest ICE: 3663 lbs
Lightest hybrid: 3692 lbs
Lightest plugin hybrid: 4115 lbs
A hybrid has all the same ICE components with the addition of the generator and battery pack so it’s not surprising that it would be heavier than the pure ICE counterpart. These kits will be replacing old iron block engines (along with the other aforementioned drivetrain components) with a small aluminum engine and generator. Even if they are a bit heavier, these are old trucks with poor aerodynamics where a few hundred pounds isn’t going to make much difference in the grand scheme of things.
Oh neat, this is basically an electric Kei truck. The front looks a little weird with the wheels so far forward. Reminds me of a golf cart. I can’t really complain though, I’d love a small practical truck.
As an European i don’t understand at all those open trucks. The back side is completely wasted space, is unusable, stuff will get stolen when you park (or even at the traffic light), or will get soaked in rain. It also lowers aerodynamic efficiency. That one time in my life when i would need to move a fridge or a mattress i could just rent it for 3 hours
As an American I’ve never heard of a place so dangerous that things get stolen from the back at a traffic light. I know carpenters who leave all their tools in the back when they go to bed and never have a problem. Maybe you need to clean up the crime problem in your country. There are pros and cons to a van vs truck. That you come in on one side does not make the other side wrong, it just means you have lack of vision to understand theirs.
Have you ever tried to rent a truck? I know many people who tried and discovered the place was all out that day. Then when you find one read the fine print - often you cannot haul your fridge in one. Mean while because I own my truck it is there when I need to do something, no thinking required.
People stole the wheels off my wife’s car, in a lit parking lot, in one of the safest big cities in the US.
Yeah, you can’t leave your nice tools out in the back of your truck bed in most places.
I’ve driven a pickup truck for 20 years and never once had anything stolen out of it. “Safest big city” as a phrase strikes me similarly to “most comfortable chest wound.”
The wheels were the only “property loss” crime we’ve experienced in ~10 years living here. All the other crimes were landlords illegally withholding our deposits.
They sell 2 types of covers for the back that solve this. It really depends on what you’re doing. People that are camping or constantly working on projects need that kind of open setup.
Eh, my family camped frequently and reno’d/repaired multiple houses. I think the only time we used a truck was to take a bunch of bathroom tile scrap to the dump. Everything else was done with minivans or a club wagon.
Yeah, my dad was a carpenter and always picked a van over a truck any day.
I mean, you can always hook a trailer to a normal car or something like a Subaru Outback if you’re going off-road. That’s what people do here. Monday to Friday they commute in their normal, affordable, not extremely huge car and on Saturday the trailer comes out.
Much of America is rural, and pick-up trucks are extremely useful on a daily basis in that world. Then country music made it a metaphor for masculinity, and dopey suburbanites embraced it to enhance their personal brand image as tough guys.
Enough with the trucks and SUVs. I’m not buying an EV until I can get a 2 door sports convertible with rack and pinion steering and double wishbone suspension. I don’t want to drive a tank of a vehicle with vague, floaty handling. I want a small, light, and nimble EV that’s fast as fuck and corners like a dream. For under $30K USD.
It is hard to get a light EV when the batteries themselves are around 1/10 the energy density of gasoline and people want them to have a longer range than a gas car to make up for charging so you end up with a battery that’s 500-1000lbs. To put that into perspective a Miata weighs around 2000lbs
A small block V8 weights 680lbs. While there are larger engines, that is still a big engine, most cars have much lighter engines. Transmissions have some weight too, So do electric motors.
So much this. Closest we get seems to be a Prius. :(
if the Prius were 2 ft longer in the back, I’d buy one
A station wagon would be nice to see as well for a family hauler.
Look at Telo, their “truck” is the size of a Mini Cooper but with a full 8 ft bed. And it seats 5. That’s incredibly compelling.
That’s 3 seats too many. And I rather have a hatch than a bed.
It’s actually the one pickup style truck that might actually be viable in Europe.
Personally, being from Europe, I’m not sure why we would need a pickup truck. I get it, insane tax reasons somehow are making those monstrosities quite popular in the Netherlands for example, but you never see the beds used.
For the same reason people need SUVs, for moving large amounts of stuff around. In my case I would just throw the bike in the back rather than having to faff around laying all the seats flat and then having to put down the tarpaulin so they don’t get dirty.
I could get a van but then I’ve got a stupid van with all its limited visibility. A pickup truck would actually solve the problem if it weren’t for the fact that all the manufacturers are American and seem to think that they need to rival the size and weight of a tank.
Lol, folks don’t ‘need’ SUVs. When I was in NYC 2 years back, after not having been there for a few years, I couldn’t believe my eyes. The number of sheer gardensheds on wheels is hilarious. SUVs and ‘trucks’ are an American car manufacturers invention that have little to no basis in real world needs. All of you have been told you need it. That’s something different.
Vehicles are expensive. Having one for each need is expensive. Renting is expensive (and renting typically comes with no using it as a truck restrictions). If you need a bed for 2% of trips it is often far cheap to own and drive a truck for everything. Particularly if you can use the bike for a lot of trips that makes just owning a truck for everything compelling if you must have a car.
Agreed, but needing the truck for truck stuff 2% of the time is waaaaaay over the typical truck usage. I think most people who have trucks actually do “truck stuff” with them 0.2-0.0% of the time, and in that case, regular car, wagon, or van is a better all around option.
I’m rocking a kei truck for landscaping and home reno projects, and it still uses more gas than I’m happy with. I’d love for someone to make an electric truck that isn’t a massive behemoth intended to prove something about my masculinity. Just give me a clean energy box bed to haul my lumber and dirt.
…my mazda 2 outhandles my MX-5s and is the only car i’ve driven which keeps pace with my elise; we’ve been waiting for an electric subcompact hatchback for about ten years now but the stateside market keeps doing everything it can not to offer me one…
