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What exactly has been changed besides the graphics? Sounds like they tweaked the melee combat to more resemble Skyrims.
Imo Oblivions two biggest problems were level scaling and how barren the world was between cities and dungeons.
Edit: I got it after watching more of the gameplay. It still feels like Oblivion, but there’s a lot of little tweaks that improve the experience. Combat and movement has more weight to it, so while the systems all effectively function the same it feels a lot less floaty then the original game. There’s a lot of small tweaks and QOL improvements, like the UI is reminiscent of the original but much more fluid. Cant comment on if they fixed level-scaling or not, as I’m only at level 3.
Make no mistake, this is 100% Oblivion. Its just a lot prettier and with a lot of small improvements. So far it seems like a rare modern Bethesda W.
They changed leveling, locomotion, added new voice lines to make all the races sound more unique, added more feedback to combat (hit animations, blood effects, sparks, and sounds; the actual combat mechanics look entirely unchanged)… And that’s just what they point out in the trailer.
Gender no longer affects your stats either, they added in 2 origins that do that now
Gender had an effect on stats in the original?
Yep, was the case in all TES games before Oblivion as well, typically more strength in starting male characters but more intelligence in female characters varying depending on the character’s race. Only went away in Skyrim as they’d simplified the stats so much that starting stats were more uniform.
All I remember off-hand for what stats are affected in Skyrim is that Khajit start with 5 more points in Hand-to-Hand due to their claws 🤣
high elves start with more spells, magicka, and more skill points in some of the magic skill trees. they also can disguise themselves as a thalmor guard at the embassy and bypass the combat
I haven’t see how the level scaling works, but I’m assuming it works exactly like OG Oblivion for two reasons. First is that the underlying game logic is OG Oblivion and second, whether you liked it not, the level scaling was very much in the DNA of Oblivion so it kinda has to be there to feel like Oblivion. That said, the new leveling system looks like it might make the level scaling less horrid.
And so far from what I watched others play, the world is still as barren and boring as OG Oblivion. Personally I’m going wait for Skyblivion because the barren world was the main reason I didn’t enjoy Oblivion.
Mods of the era largely fixed the scaling and the modern day best practices largely are based on that. Mortismal did a good video on Oblivion last year-ish where they talked about it but it mostly boils down to:
Just stop leveling in (if memory serves) the mid-late 20s. That more or less is what you will get with 60-70% of your levels coming from combat skills and is around where your DPS levels out. The mods of the time basically just tweak the leveled lists to plateau out similarly.
There was other more stylistic choices (stopping bandits from getting full daedric and glass gear) but that prevented the very common problem of “I didn’t optimize my build and now I can’t clear oblivion gates”
I just eventually got comfortable moving the difficulty slider whenever I needed. Any other game it feels like cheating, in OG Oblivion it felt required to not drive myself insane minmaxing
You can sprint now, so, there’s that.
Looking at Steam it looks like they locked the expansions behind the deluxe edition?
This is what it says for the deluxe edition on the PS Store:
"Upgrade* from the digital base game to The Elder Scrolls IV: Oblivion Remastered Deluxe Edition* to receive:
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Unique digital Akatosh and Mehrunes Dagon Armors, Weapons, and Horse Armor Sets
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Digital Artbook and Soundtrack App
*Base game required, sold separately"
Soundtrack App
Bruh…
Wow, they literally added more horse armor lol
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Nope, the old DLC is available in the base game. The Deluxe edition adds some new armor (and yes, new horse armor) but isn’t necessary to access the old DLC.
Every publication I’ve read says the DLCs are all included in the base game. Deluxe adds new cosmetics, OST, and an art book.
Yep, they did…it’s pretty shitty.Though it’s only $10 upgrade, whether you choose now or later. But still, for a 19 year old game, come on man.Apparently I was reading this wrong.
Here’s the poster from Steam
They have not, actually.
Thanks for the correction. I was reading the poster on Steam incorrectly, it seems.
So all the stuff on the left is in the base purchase but all the stuff on the right is the extras in the deluxe
It’s poorly done, possibly to trick people into thinking they have to get the Deluxe version to get the expansions.
Did they change anything meaningful, like removing that aweful level scaling?
They did, but to what end we might find out just a few hours from now. Seems like minigame stay the same, but the combat is revamped
Edit: ohh wait i don’t think they mentioned scaling, but just the levelling is changed.
All of the games have scaling of some kind (at least Morrowind and Skyrim do). Just as long as they make suboptimal builds viable rather than punishing, that’s all I need.
It looks great, and it’s AVAILABLE TODAY! The rumors were (unsurprisingly) right on the money, it was a shadowdrop.
Edit: Official 20 minute showcase is here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kk5cymSWmqo
I’m so happy to have been wrong about the shadow drop! Now I just need to get through the rest of the day at work lol
You and me both, but at least I’ll see first impressions before I get back home.
I was never a huge fan of the base game (after Morrowind, the far more generic fantasy setting was underwhelming and I absolutely hated the Oblivion parts), but I loved the Shivering Isles expansion. Tempted to get it for that alone. The fugly character models needed to be redone BADLY, too.
Shivering Isles rivals Morrowind in my mind. It has a strange and unique setting and most of the content is incredibly well-written, which contrasts sharply with the standard medieval setting of baseline Oblivion (mandatory reminder that Cyrodiil was supposed to be a rainforest, but the devs retconned it to make development easier).
The other expansion, Knights of the Nine, was just a bunch of fetch quests to unlock an armor set and was disappointing in comparison to even the base game (though at least the final boss fight was cool). It also put behavioral tracking on the DLC’s rewards that would disable them if your character gained infamy, forcing you to repeat a bunch of boring travel quests to fix them whenever this happened. There’s a reason KotN never comes up in discussions about the game.
Shivering Isles rivals Morrowind in my mind.
Same. It’s easily my favorite Elder Scrolls expansion, period.
mandatory reminder that Cyrodiil was supposed to be a rainforest
I never knew that. Shame the devs for this didn’t go for it, but I suppose fans would be up in arms about it.
EDIT: Apparently they actually DID add some rainforest-y looking locations!
The fugly character models needed to be redone BADLY, too.
I kinda wonder what the NPCs in that one village part of a quest that mimics Shadow Over Innsmouth look like in the remake… They’re supposed to be fugly 🤣
Stoked to try this game, but I’m waiting a few months for a patch to the graphics issues.
Looks shit.
… now do it with Morrowind. I dare you. I double dare you!
Can we just have 6 instead?
No. Oblivion remastered. Then Skyrim Special Oblivion Remastered Anniversary Edition. Then Starfield Remastered.
Then Oblivion Remastered 2 since the current one will be outdated by that time.
Morrowind would be a whole different beast to remaster. Not saying I wouldn’t enjoy some better graphics and tweaked systems, but it would be a hard sell to most gamers if they only did that.
-no voice acting -outdated gameplay systems -Game map that wasn’t designed with unlimited draw distance, fast travel, or even unlimited running in mind.
Honestly at this point it would be better served by a full remake.
Modern mods fix almost all of those issues.
The game can easily be ‘remastered’.Yes, that’s why you’d make it a remaster; to fix all of those things.
Morrowind has plenty of fast travel. In fact, it has better fast-travel than later Elder Scrolls games because it’s actually integrated into the gameplay.
skyrim has carriages and boats though
Agreed. Super convenient fast travel takes something away from the game. It turns an adventure into a handful of loading screens, which is egregious in Starfield because “travel through space” boiled down to “here’s 4 more loading screens every single time you want to do anything.”
Sky walking was so much fun. Not always faster, but fun
It was also neat that the game was designed for it (Telvanni towers, secrets in high places, etc.).
There is the Skywind project, but I’m not sure if any progress has been made in the last year
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The Oblivion score is so good.
It always reminded me of the Pirates of the Caribbean theme
Jeremy Soule did amazing work. Unfortunately it turned out he was a terrible person and he was blacklisted from the industry after multiple allegations were made against him during the #MeToo movement.
i thought those were just alleged
Oh that sucks
Yeah that was really disappointing
£50 for the game I already paid for, just with better graphics? No, thank you.
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You need to actually look at the changes because that is completely wrong. They’ve made mechanical changes to the game.
Being what? Skyrim style fight? Fuck that. If they were to completly replace moronic, idiotic, retarded level scaling that would be a different conversation.
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They also changed other things including level progression
They have NOT changed retarded level scaling at all.
Go actually get informed before bashing your facing against the keyboard and spouting off your bigoted bullshit in the future
Go and give them your money again if you already paid for this game once, good sheep. 🙄
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Now read a dictionary 🙄
Looks amazing, definitely gonna pick this up.
Edited to add further thoughts
Having a deluxe edition of a remaster feels bad, though I don’t completely begrudge them. It was still a lot of work, time, and effort to do this.
I kinda love releases like this with no build up. I know that this was leaked but I mean compared to six years of announcement to release, I much prefer this kind of shadow drop.
A deluxe edition does seem a little lame for a remaster. But at the same time the deluxe edition is still cheaper than Starfield and I’d much rather play this.
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If this were a Nintendo game it’d be $80 for the base and $90 for Deluxe.
How much is the horse armor?
$10. I’m not joking. It’s a part of the deluxe edition.
Yes and no. All original dlc is included in the base game, including the infamous horse armour.
The Deluxe Edition adds art book, OST, and some new weapon, armours, and yes horse armours not in the original game.
Included. The Deluxe edition adds some new gear, but all the old content (including the old DLC) is available in the base game.
Included in the game. Deluxe edition adds new horse armours (among a few other things).
All I get from these links is “Sign in to confirm your age”
lolno
It’s YouTube…
Right, I see that, and I also see the piped.video link. I don’t think I understand the point you are trying to make? Can you clarify?
Ask your parents to turn off parental controls? Idk.
My point is that, if you are going to send me advertisements, at least make them easy for me to see. WTF would I jump through hoops to see an ad?
What are you talking about? Use an adblocker, dummy. Lol
Oblivion, when last met you introduced horse armor! Now you return to look upon the ruined game landscape that you have brought! I loved you like a brother, Oblivion! You were the Chosen One!
Funny enough the deluxe edition includes horse armor lol
Even though I have been gaming since Pong (my first game console), I have never played any Elder Scrolls games. This trailer’s voice over is new to me, and it is so strange and nostalgic to hear Patrick Stewart’s young and vibrant voice on the trailer for a game released this morning.
Haha, I wondered at first if that was Patrick Stewart, and then decided it wasn’t. Glad I was wrong.
90% of Oblivion’s voice acting budget must have gone to paying for Patrick Stewart and Sean Bean to say a few dozen lines. It’s long been a meme that basically every other person in Cyrodill shares the same six or seven voice actors.
He’s almost the age of the emperor now.
I am pretty disconnected from this videogame series, is Oblivion now the best looking game from Bethesda? (It should be as it is the most recent game I suppose) Would you recommend it over Skyrim graphical and gaming/story wise? Would a new Skyrim remastered game with these assets would be near the horizon? lol.
As much as I like Skyrim, I don’t think there’s a general consensus that the earlier games were better written.
Personally, until I played Phantom Liberty, the Shivering Isles was the best expansion I had ever played for any game. I’ll leave it to you to discover, if you get the game, but allow me to say it is delightful and different and a ton of fun.
I’d argue that Skyrim represents a significant downgrade from earlier titles. The simplified mechanics and increased advertising budget made it more accessible, but the writing quality has been in free fall since morrowind.
That being said, this is probably their prettiest title now. I haven’t gotten to try it yet, but supposedly it is a ground up remake, and if it’s on a better engine it may be their least janky game too.
