America, this is your five alarm fire. If everything else wasn’t enough to get you moving, dear God please let this be it.
Get out and protest. Get talking to the other people at those protests. Build your network. You’re going to need it for what is coming.
This is not okay.
This is a coup
Senators, governors, and mayors of “sanctuaries” are going to be close behind.
Once the non-loyal judges are imprisoned, everyone else who isn’t white and Republican will also be on the chopping block.
I wonder if militias need to grow because I believe Trump will use everything in his power to destroy the liberals and any opposing force. Military could soon fraction and people will take sides, as one party wants to protect the constitution while the others oppose. Remeber our country was born based on the constitution…We are on the right side of history cause it reflects core American values. You decide to errode that then your not a true American. They will always be traitors considering they are freely defying the constitution now…fuck them and I cant wait til their day comes.
Increased danger to the public?
If dude was already out and about and minding his business, dude continuing to be out and about keeps the amount of danger just about the same.
He was also not out and about and minding his business, he was already in the courthouse in front of the judge. There was no danger to the public because he was at the courthouse. If anything, ICE created the danger by chasing him out of the courthouse and escalating the situation.
I know trumpers won’t ever hear about this or if they do it will be a completely twisted story and they’ll think the judge shot at the ice agents or something but the amount of mental effort it has to take to not see this as a tinpot dictator move is unbelievable. It’s hard to believe people this dumb walk among us and go to work and everything
Hey guys, it’s a really good sign when judges are getting arrested, right? Very normal and functioning country? 😬
This is how civil war starts. If the judiciary starts issuing arrest warrants over this unlawful kidnapping, they may need to deputize officers that are not under the control of the trump admin which could pit our armed forces against each other. Best case scenario is the judiciary finds the arrest unlawful and the FBI backs down because they’re being threatened with contempt.
Qualified immunity applies to the executive branch, not to the judiciary. Cops aren’t getting arrested for this.
You’re not wrong, but this has nothing to do with the armed forces. I went down a rabbit hole at one point regarding what a “duly sworn” officer is. My conclusion was that if a judge needed to have someone arrested, they can reach out to any public police officer who has sworn an oath to the Constitution. Each state has its own groups of duly sworn law enforcement officers, and if a Federal judge doesn’t trust the US Marshals (who are part of the DoJ) they can likely reach our to State or local police to enforce their orders.
That’s the problem. If a deputized officer that is part of a local police force or national guard ends up having to arrest members of the DoJ, it could result in a standoff and give an excuse to our Cheeto in chief to declare martial law. I really fucking hope that doesn’t happen or that our generals force him to back down but I very much see that as a possibility.
I mean, you do understand that the Judiciary being the ones to push back is the only legal & constitutional route we can get out of this, right?
I hate to say it, but while Trump himself is pretty weak and just in it to save himself & for money, many of the people around him want nothing but power. And they are using Trump for that since he somehow continues to enthrall the populous.
Besides hoping the administration willingly decides to stop & undo the things it’s doing, I personally think the judiciary pushing back is the only thing you should hope for. In my eyes, it is the only path left with any chance of nonviolence, besides again, a willing change.
Do you have an alternative for me?
At what point did I say we need to capitulate to these motherfuckers? The only way we’re going to end this is fighting back. I mean EVERYONE including the judiciary.
You’re not wrong there.
I fear the majority of trigger-pullers are pro-trump and pro-deportation, no matter where they live. I fear that “revolution” will entail the United States’ progressives getting absolutely brutalized until the regime seizes total control.
They may be able to defend the farmland but they won’t be able to hang when it gets to urban combat.
Learn how to use the tools at your disposal y’all.
you might be surprised. there are those who are very open about owning weapons, but there are just as many who do not flaunt what they’re equipped with. there are still lots of reasons left-leaning people might own guns, like hunting, self defense, pure hobby shooting, etc. i think progressive people have been stereotyped as anti-gun because they tend to be anti-kids-getting-shot-in-school, but they’re not quite the same thing.
it’s possible progressive might be out-gunned, but it’s by no means a guarantee.
I’ve always wondered if there is a measurable difference in shooting proficiency between the left and right politically. The majority of lefties I know who shoot are pretty well trained, took classes, take safety very seriously etc… A not small chunk of the right I see at the range literally scare me with how they shoot. And those are the righties that actually practice.
The armed lefties might be outnumbered, but they might be better trained.
I’m no expert, but I feel like anybody who hasn’t faced actual, real combat involving guns is just going to shit themselves and fire wildly the first time they do face it - that’s if they don’t just take off running or faint instead. And most people on both sides of the political fence haven’t ever faced real combat.
I have read a lot of war memoirs, and the one common thread running through all of them is that a soldier/pilot/gunner/whatever is utterly useless their first few times in battle, regardless of their training.
Anarchist gun owner here. Yep. Granted mine are mostly WW1 era pieces of history and others are nerdy but yeah… there are lefties out there who are properly legally licensed.
Liberal gun owner here, yup.
Wife wanted to get me a tactical looking cross body bag but I was like, “nah, I need something Italian, leather, and looks like I keep my lip balm in it instead of my gun”.
I’m talking about the police, the federal agents, national guardsmen and regular army. The people who are ostensibly trained to shoot people. I don’t know if there is enough sympathy in the establishment to mount a meaningful resistance. I don’t like our odds if they mount a united front against a disparate population of scared but armed civilians, banal arguments about drone strikes and such aside.
good point and not something to be trivialized. it would be devastating and the toll to life and limb would be high. but i take solice in the fact that even then, they’d be greatly outnumbered by non-establishment citizenry. im just saying it wouldnt be a landslide victory and theyd face a (probably) reasonably well equipped guerilla resistance force that wouldnt just fade away.
side note, i also find the drone arguments to be kind of irritating. technically yes they could carpet bomb the US and drone strike every apartment building where some resistance leader is living, but then they’d just be the king of a wasteland.
Valhalla before El Salvador.
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This is a clear authoritarian signal and power grab, but trying to think practically since I’m getting exhausted with my own powerless exasperation with nothing to show for it:
To get an arrest warrant, you typically would need a judge to sign off on it. So either (a) another judge signed the warrant to arrest this judge, or (b) they falsely arrested the judge without a proper warrant.
I think (b) is possible with how slipshod Trump officials are, but more likely they followed the letter if not the spirit of the law, so (a). That suggests that there may be a pocket judge signing spurious warrants for Patel. This also makes more sense, since they likely need cover when assisting ICE, so they’d want someone in that role.
So in a healthy system, first would be Congress forcibly removing Patel. Probably every GOP congressperson’s response here will be “I haven’t heard about that, now I’ll walk away down this hall casual-like because frankly nobody is going to hold me accountable.” The other less direct approach would be to identify this judge then there may be a removal process. What other things can be done here short of revolution?
The article doesn’t mention anything about a warrant. If there is a warrant, there is a record of the judge that signed it.
And that judge would have to have jurisdiction I think. So in either case, the answer is be prepared for shit
Edit: She was released on bond, meaning a judge validated the warrant, meaning there’s a warrant, and a judge who signed it. This is bad.
“Judges? Where we’re going, we won’t need judges.” *proceeds to fly away in the original Volkswagen*
More info on the circumstances: https://www.jsonline.com/story/news/politics/2025/04/23/ice-arrested-mexican-immigrant-after-hearing-before-judge-dugan/83233154007/
Last week’s arrest marked at least the third time in recent months that federal immigration agents have come to the courthouse with arrest warrants. In March and early April, two people were arrested by ICE officials in the hallways of the courthouse.
Following the earlier arrests at the courthouse, county officials and stakeholders expressed concerns about the impact ICE’s presence has on immigrants’ accessing the justice system and other services at the courthouse.
“The last thing we want is to interfere with the legal process or sow doubt in those summoned to the courthouse about whether or not they will receive fair, impartial justice,” Milwaukee County Executive David Crowley said at the time.
Yeah this is pretty fucking blatant
F B I⚡️⚡️Onward we march in goose step with history
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Please remember: the ICE “arrests” are KIDNAPPINGS BY NON-UNIFORMED CIVILIANS. UNTIL PROVEN OTHERWISE.
If you see a gang of 4 dudes with beards and guns and jeans and polo shirts … treat it like the kidnapping it is.
It would be great to see people stand up to these kidnappings. Maybe even some good guys with guns
I get your sentiment and feel the same way, but that’s just adding death to the equation. I honestly think that is exactly what they want. If they detain you, you still have access to lawyers and others who are working to protect these people. If you’re dead, you can’t to any of that. You can’t defend yourself. The action alone will make you a ‘terrorist’ and therefore justify their actions.
It fucking sucks.
An absurd suggestion. ICE agents looking to disappear you are merely volunteers for America’s new Necronaut Program. Necronauts are needed for the upcoming assassination of God, and invasion of heaven.
If they detain you, you still have access to lawyers and others who are working to protect these people.
Have you been skipping the news for weeks?
No. There are plenty of lawyers and groups (ACLU) working to get these people to a judge. Hell, even the Supreme Court ruled that the deportations must stop to give them due process.
Are they following those orders? I don’t think so.
But to say that there aren’t people fighting for these people is just flat out, blatantly and categorically wrong.
How does Muhmud Khalil have a lawyer if what I said was wrong?
Have you been skipping the news for weeks?
You are wrong though. The majority get shipped off no lawyers no nothing. Just gone.
You seem to be choosing the few people who were able to get a lawyer in time… In your hypothetical, that is not guaranteed or even something I’d bet on. And you are also pointing out that they won’t obey judges orders anyways so… I’m very confused as to what argument you think you are making.
Anyone who sees anyone being kidnapped should do their civic duty to stop it. Just because it suddenly seems to be government representatives that are doing the kidnapping now does not change that. You don’t know which it is.
I do wonder how many people have already been disappeared with no cameras around and they are just “missing” according to their families who can’t/don’t want to go to the cops in case it was the cops all along.
access to lawyers
I don’t believe it would work out that way if you are detained and don’t already have numbers lined up. They are already skipping due process anyway…
I don’t want violence. I just want to remind people that these are illegal government kidnappings.
It. Fucking. Sucks. Indeed.
You wont get a chance to defend yourself when they bag you up and send you to El Salvador. You can die in the streets protecting yourself or you can die in a gulag 5000 miles away. Your choice
If an ICE agent dies they can’t harm anyone else
El Salvador is a death sentence, with a load of abuse on top. Better to break some ICE and be ended, than to live out your final days in a concentration camp.
You have access to lawyers???
Not a single person that I’m aware of that got shipped off to El Salvador had a fair trial. This isn’t the US you know anymore. You don’t get a trial if they don’t want you to have one.
