• @[email protected]
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    “Duolingo will remain a company that cares deeply about its employees”

    Except for the contract employees. Fuck those people.

    In 2012, we bet on mobile. […] That decision helped us win the 2013 iPhone App of the Year and unlocked the organic word-of-mouth growth that followed. Betting on mobile made all the difference. We’re making a similar call now, and this time the platform shift is AI.

    I think this is some sort of fallacy, not sure which tho. Maybe a hasty generalization? “We bet on mobile twelve years ago and won, so if we bet on AI now we’ll also win.”

    *It also seems they’re using AI to code… those poor programmers will have to double check every single line it shits out because you know, it’s a fucking AI. Yet another company succumbs to a CEOs emotional FOMO.

    • SkaveRat
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      132 months ago

      Except for the contract employees. Fuck those people.

      I mean technically the contractors are not employees

      • @[email protected]
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        72 months ago

        Yeah, like, I think this is a bad move for Duolingo as a company, since their code quality will rapidly go downhill with the current state of AI generated code.

        But also, if you are a contract employee, you should be prepared to be let go at any moment. That’s sort of the whole point of being a contract employee - you are only employed for the contract. It isn’t unethical in anyway for a company to not rehire employees who knew up front that they might not be rehired.

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    22 months ago

    For those who aren’t leaving Duolingo, you can still get the paid features by creating a class and joining it. Or at least that’s how it worked the last time I used it, which was a few years ago now.

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    If you looking to replace dualingo, check with your local library, they may offer free access to different language learning apps. I was able to get Rosetta Stone for free using my library. And they also have access to Muzzy and Transparent language.

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    They have been shilling max so hard, the practice tab now is hidden to make room for the Video Call tab (Max only) and a tab to subscribe to Max or upgrade your plan.

    Probably won’t renew this year. I have a 1500+ day streak, but a good chunk of that is just doing a single quick practice lesson every day, the gamification got me and I haven’t learned much new stuff in probably a year.

    I learned enough Italian to use it when I went on a two week trip in 2023, but the problem with Duo’s lessons is nothing is conversational. I would be able to say/ask something, understand the response, but then not really have the ability to keep the conversation going.

    The differences in languages after so many years is also a bit disheartening, I had a friend show me all the tools available in their French course that I didn’t have, it made their Italian lessons look like vocab flash cards in comparison.

    I am not a big LLM user, but I did try to use it as a conversation partner, which worked alright. I haven’t looked in a while, but my biggest issue was it would speak too fast and none of the available tools had a way to slow it down outside of telling it to add ellipses after each word.

  • @[email protected]
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    632 months ago

    It’s okay. We can all play that game. I’ve replaced my use of Duolingo with AI.

    Pro tip: have as your “system prompt” in your LLM of choice “at the end of every query, include me a short Swedish relates to my prompt”. No need for Duolingo.

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    There are at least some Duolingo courses that use AI voices exclusively and they are shit.

    On the one hand, having an AI to talk to sounds like something that could be good. Getting a real person to talk to every user would be impossible. I just don’t think the technology is going to meet expectations any time soon.

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      They do this in the French course. Half the time it still can’t understand what I’m saying. Maybe that’s on me, but still. C’est la vie.

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      252 months ago

      The problem is if the user asks the AI a question about the language they’re learning they’ll often get confident bullshit as the response and they won’t know it’s wrong because they’re still learning.

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    152 months ago

    if the labor cost goes down, the service should become cheaper.

    if it worked like that, i’d love to have AI replace humans.

    AI isn’t the problem. capitalism is.

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    So if they’re using a ChatGPT wrapper to teach me languages, why do I need Duolingo? Copilot is free.

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      Copilot is free.

      Free.

      Free with ads.

      Freemium with ads.

      Free trial with tiered subscription service.

      New subscription tiers with reduced ads. Premium package for boosts to service.

      Please enter your credit card number and watch the ad to unlock device.

    • @[email protected]
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      72 months ago

      This kind of thing is what confuses me as a business model. Take audio books for example, Audible is pivoting to ai voices. Why would people spend $20 on an audio book with an ai voice when they can just spend $1.99 on the eBook and run it through an ai voice program themselves?

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        12 months ago

        Because idle that takes off and becomes a threat to their business model, they will just lobby to make such a thing illegal.

      • @[email protected]
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        22 months ago

        most people have absolutely no idea how to ‘run it through an ai voice program’ … yet

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          True enough. I suspect that “yet” will come pretty soon though. I’m hoping all of these ‘early AI adopter’ companies fuck themselves out of business. With the tech as it is, most companies pivoting their products to AI on the user-end are just introducing a middle man. Once people catch on to it and realize they can just cut out the middle man, they hopefully won’t last long.

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        12 months ago

        This is a fun quote to bandy around but I’d argue when it comes to AI it’s more that we’re in the honeymoon phase. The platforms are building the user bases. Not to say aggressive monetization isn’t just over the horizon.

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    I have found Duolingo much, much less useful for language learning than Language Transfer. The latter actually helps you learn to think in another language rather than memorize things (which is still useful, but not nearly as much).

    Short if total immersion, I have found nothing better than LT.

    • @[email protected]
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      72 months ago

      Dreaming Spanish, if you are trying to learn Spanish. I seriously think it is the future of language learning, bar none.

    • 🦄🦄🦄
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      22 months ago

      Thanks, I will check it out:)

      From the first look: is this just audio or also written practices?

      • @[email protected]
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        22 months ago

        Just audio. But it is presented in a way that helps you to learn, rather than just remember. If you give it a try, I promise that you will be shocked at how you can retain the knowledge.

        It isn’t enough on its own, however. You need to reinforce the lessons by speaking to people, reading, and/or TV and movies.

    • @[email protected]
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      132 months ago

      The problem I have with finding an alternative is that most just offer some five to ten largest languages. Want to learn Spanish, French, Russian, or Chinese? There are hundreds of both free and paid services available. Want to learn Hungarian, Irish, or Finnish? It’s Duolingo and a scant handful of sites specific to that language.

      • Nailbar
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        12 months ago

        Well at least now you know you can skip the middleman and ask some ai to help you practice.