And their planes made with scrap parts are still flying around.
Edit: A lot of new .world users showing up with ChatGPT responses about how this was a conspiracy, reminds me of an article i read this week.
https://www.theverge.com/ai-artificial-intelligence/657978/reddit-ai-experiment-banned
He wasn’t rich enough for anyone to care about.
I’d be more likely to believe that Boeing tried to kill him if he didn’t die
the most interesting part to me is that nowhere along the line did anyone mention just how interesting it all is. you know the real bad shit has started when the press shuts up and universities bend over and one of the richest people in the fucking world has to re-think his pricing displays because it pissed off the King.
edit to add - he put a fucking tax on british tea without congress. that’s a taxation without representation. on british fucking tea.
I suppose once you’re responsible for hundreds to thousands of innocent people’s deaths, one more kinda fades into the background without much further effect.
Well shit, that doctor who phrase about the human super power of forgetting rings even true day by day
or y’know, they didn’t
edit: yeah downvote me because you’re a conspiracy theorist lmao
honestly, you’re not being downvoted for your opinion. you’re being downvoted because you’re just being contrarian without providing anything at all to substantiate your stance. you might have well just wrote “lol” or something else just as asinine. no offense, of course
Lol what? There’s no evidence this happened. It’s up to the conspiracy theorists to provide evidence, which they never do. You cant just be like, prove that DIDNT happen!! Like hello? Has this entire comment thread lost its collective mind? Does truth and evidence mean nothing?
A guy who specifically stated he wasn’t suicidal and had no plans to end his life shot himself in the back of the head outside the comfort of his home a day or two before he was supposed to testify about Boeing putting scrap parts in their planes.
Lol ok
i really don’t think so. that’s not how downvoting works and you know that lmao. i made people mega mad because i don’t believe Boeing murdered a guy, like cut the shit. you can read his suicide note and see his handwriting and his thoughts. i didn’t think to post that??? i thought contributing skepticism was at least an acceptable comment but excuse me for breaking some weird internet etiquette.
i’m not surprised, but you’re missing my point. that said, you accidentally provided what i was talking about. don’t judge the community on your first comment - judge them on how well this one shakes out.
edit - to quote [email protected]:
i really don’t think so. that’s not how downvoting works and you know that lmao. i made people mega mad because i don’t believe Boeing murdered a guy, like cut the shit. you can read his suicide note and see his handwriting and his thoughts. i didn’t think to post that??? i thought contributing skepticism was at least an acceptable comment but excuse me for breaking some weird internet etiquette.
(btw i upvote all your comments strictly so that other people can see how much of an ass you are)
i don’t know what point you’re trying to make and i don’t care.
of course you don’t, and that’s entirely the point. now, don’t you have some gooning to do?
…what lmao. that’s your attempt at roasting me? alright.
nope, just saying goodbye.
edit: i love you sweet bae
He only needed to love his family more than he wanted to slap down an abusive corporation
Impossible to know. Conspiracies happen. So do suicides.
it’s really not. the suicide note is available to see. it’s his handwriting and genuinely reads like his own thoughts.
“It came to me in a dream”
what
The source
i don’t know wtf you’re talking about, sorry.
I don’t know that you know what you’re talking about either. No need to be sorry, you’re fine.
Yes but won’t anybody think of Shareholder Value?!!
sounds like America
Edith: didn’t know about the murder. That changes it.
Murder and execution is not the same as gross neglicence. It was Missmanagement and cost optimization (if you can call this that) and a fuck you attitude. and it’s bad. It’s horrible and people should go to jail and definitely to court. But murder? No.
Pretty sure it’s referencing John Barnett who allegedly shot himself in his truck while he was engaged in active litigation against Boeing. It ain’t about the doors, it’s about their whistleblowers no longer being around to testify.
Uh that is bad. Didn’t even know about that. Didn’t make the news im europe at least for me.
Chiquita overthrew a government and everyone still loves their bananas 🤷♂️
Right!? We literally have a store called Banana Republic.
So what now we like conspiracy theories when they suit us?
Chat,
Did the Boeing whistleblower who deliberately told his family and friends that he wasn’t suicidal commit suicide?
His own family filed a lawsuit against Boeing that they were responsible for his death by causing his anxiety and depression. Is this the moral equivalent of murder? Probably. Is it the same as pulling the trigger? No. Why not? Because truth, and clarity in speech matter.
Do Boeings actions help deter future whistle-blowers? Yes.
Finding the correct label seems irrelevant.
It is absolutely, and I cannot state this enough, NOT irrelevant. Truth fucking matters.
Boeing was complicit in shortening a whistle-blower’s life. FACT.
Do you actually know anyone suicidal? They usually don’t tell people. They often don’t know themselves. They changed their mind. They’re depressed. They’re anxious. They’re not well. They die suddenly. Everyone is surprised. That is how it goes.
Not telling people is a heck of a lot different from being about to blow the whistle on a major corporation and telling people “if anything happens to me, it’s not suicide”.
How did “one family friend named Jennifer who can’t believe it” turn into “all his family and friends”
How often do suicidal people reach out to a bunch of their friends and family just to specifically tell them they are NOT going to commit suicide?
That didn’t happen. One grieving family friend said that he said that. John Oliver would have a field day with you people lol. Boeing has hurt and killed a lot of people. They do this like corporations do - by cutting staff, evading regulation, buying politicians. Boeing is liable for great harm. But focusing on these conspiracies rather than getting to the root of the problem – that capitalism enables great harm by eroding our society – isn’t helping.
So Corporations will break any law for profit besides murder?
I trust the guy’s family more than the police lol, so do most people
You’re really bending over backwards to push this narrative.
What “narrative”? It’s on the Wikipedia page. It’s not a narrative, it’s what happened. Like… I really don’t care that much about this specific case. It’s more about the principle, the erosion of truth, the meaninglessness of facts. It’s honestly the same type of thinking that makes right wing conspiracists and I don’t want to capitulate to it. Focusing on a a salacious and improbable event downplays the real “evils” of capitalism, the smaller but cumulative things: the selfishness, the greed of everyday people and how profit motivated corporations enhance and multiply that. Contrapoints (Natalie Wynn) just did a fantastic video on conspiracies that touches on all three points. I would recommend it to anyone.
Focusing on a a salacious and improbable event downplays the real “evils” of capitalism
That’s the thing. These events are not just “salacious and improbable”. These events are actually happening in front of our eyes and they need to be taken seriously. These events are happening as a direct result of capitalism, and not calling it out will just allow the right to set the narrative on those issues.
These conspiracies come as a direct result of capitalism. Everybody can plainly see when Boeing murders whistleblowers that it is because of money/their image.
Failure to talk about these conspiracies is a failure to point out the specific failures of capitalism.
Also I assume you actually meant conspiracy and not conspiracy theory.
Literally all the time. Are you some sort of suicide expert?
Are you a bot?
I do have a real hard time picking all the squares with traffic lights in them…
Suicidal people lie about being suicidal.
That’s like the first thing you learn Suicide Awareness.
Do suicidal people reach out to their freinds and family to specifically tell them they aren’t going to commit suicide and nothing else?
You’re not going to be able to push your narrative here.
Suicidal people lie about being suicidal. And yes, they do reach out to friends and family.
It’s also important to note here, John Barnett was not giving any sort of testimony that could harm Boeing. That’s not what the trial was over,
No, the trial, or rather the appeal, was over Boeing’s retaliation against John Barnett for his past whistleblowing. Whistleblowing that resulted in Boeing receiving a fine.
That particular case was done and over. John Barnett had nothing more to add.
John Barnett sued Boeing for the wrongful termination, and other retaliation including Blackballing him (talking to other Aerospace companies to make sure they wouldn’t hire him), John lost the court case to Boeing’s high priced lawyers.
John then appealed, and gave testimony in court in front of the appeals judge.
I don’t know if you’ve ever been at a low point like that. Where you think you’ve hit rock bottom, and you hinge your hopes on just one thing going right, only for it to go horribly wrong.
I’ve been to that false rock bottom, and found the depths hidden below it.
Boeing didn’t need to hire some contract killer to pull the trigger.
John Barnett was fighting his wrongful termination for seven years. That’s how Boeing got John to pull the trigger. They drove him to suicide, didn’t need to go any further.
That’s what you conspiracy nuts miss. Boeing ruined a man’s life, and that’s the part that you’re ignoring. Or maybe you heard someone rightfully say that Boeing killed a man, and you thought it was meant literally.
Well said thank you.
What about tha other one a few weeks off from that one?
How are we supposed to keep track of all these Boeing whistleblowers suiciding themselves all over the place?
Let alone the ones they just maim.
So what now we like conspiracy theories when they suit us?
No shit, Sherlock. Always have. How does this surprise you?
A lot of new .world users showing up with ChatGPT responses about how this was a conspiracy
Reminds me of the Epstein thing. It could be AI. But people do love their conspiracy theories, too.
Unless there’s actual evidence that it’s AI, I think this is an absolutely absurd assumption to make.
There was a police investigation.
They just didn’t investigate Boeing about it because the police investigation determined they weren’t involved.
If you truly believe there should be investigations, you have to accept when the results of the investigations don’t match your expectations. That’s why we have investigations.
The military industrial company a person was whistleblowing against wasn’t investigated in the mysterious death of that person.
Yeah that’s called not doing a proper investigation.
I need to step in here with a major correction, John Barnett was not Whistleblowing. That’s not what the court case was about at all.
No, the court case was for the wrongful termination, which was a result of his whistleblowing.
This is an important distinction, because the whistleblowing was done. John Barnett had nothing more to offer authorities, because he had already turned over all the evidence he collected. That particular case was a done deal years ago.
John Barnett then sued Boeing over his wrongful termination, and some apparent black balling. (i.e. retaliatory rumormongering to prevent John from working in aerospace).
John lost the lawsuit. He then appealed that decision, and it wasn’t going well.
This is the situation that led to his suicide. Boeing 100% drove a man to kill himself. But no, they didn’t fucking hire some guy to go kill John Barnett, that would be fucking stupid.
no, they didn’t fucking hire some guy to go kill John Barnett, that would be fucking stupid.
The possibity will certainly frighten future whistle-blowers.
No.
What disincentivizes future whistleblowing is the prospect of never being able to work in your field ever again, because your boss, or rather his boss, talked to his counterpart at the other aerospace companies, so now no one will hire you.
You then drown in debt, and die penniless on the street, years or decades later. Depending on your luck.
Simply killing someone is messy. You might get caught. Ruining a man’s life to the point where he kills himself? That’s disturbingly easy.
Again, the lawsuit was not over John Barnett’s whistleblowing. That case had concluded a few years earlier, with Boeing being found in violation of some safety standards. They got a fine and John Barnett got fired. Except Boeing didn’t “Fire” him, they forced him to retire.
So John Barnett sues Boeing for wrongful termination, and loses. Boeing has some very expensive lawyers.
John appeals the loss, and that’s what this court case was about. He was giving testimony about how Boeing retaliated against him. And he obviously thought that he was going to lose again.
What disincentivizes future whistleblowing is the prospect of never being able to work in your field ever again
That’s is a standard disincentive across US industry.
Knowing that a company hounded their previous whistle-blowers to death (no matter the method) is and additional disincentive specific to Boeing.
If you truly believe there should be investigations, you have to accept when the results of the investigations
That doesn’t logically follow. It’s like insisting OJ wasn’t guilty of murder, because the criminal case didn’t stick. But he was guilty of “wrongful death” because the civil suit did stick. What kind of conclusion do we draw when the police fumble the bag and private investigators continue to turn up incriminating evidence?
And even then, you can both have an investigation (even one that turns up culprits) and still have a cover-up.
There’s even a term for it: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Limited_hangout
According to Victor Marchetti, a former special assistant to the Deputy Director of the Central Intelligence Agency (CIA), a limited hangout is “spy jargon for a favorite and frequently used gimmick of the clandestine professionals. When their veil of secrecy is shredded and they can no longer rely on a phony cover story to misinform the public, they resort to admitting—sometimes even volunteering—some of the truth while still managing to withhold the key and damaging facts in the case. The public, however, is usually so intrigued by the new information that it never thinks to pursue the matter further.”[
Law enforcement would never lie.
Well of course not, they exist to protect and serve!
Protect and serve...
… the interests of the pedophilic corporate elite, that is.
protect and serve (not the people though)
Protect and Serve Capital and those who have it.
If you won’t accept the results of an investigation, then why call for one in the first place. You can do one or the other, but both is dumb. Don’t move the goalposts, just admit that you think X happened and you are now rejecting any evidence you disagree with.
Goalposts didn’t move, no evidence was provided, cope
who I do remember is Brock Turner, yes that guy… the rapist Brock Turner. who now goes by the name of Allen Turner. that guy
You mean the pathetic rapist Brock Turner, who now goes by Allen Turner (also a pathetic rapist)?
Sounds like suicide to me. I feel like Boeing is still largely at fault for bringing him to that point though.
I would hope that if I publicly proclaimed, “I have no intent to commit suicide,” before my suicide then people would…
…at a minimum, state, “Brother that guy proclaimed he had no intent to commit suicide,” every time it was brought up.
…then ideally that additional scrutiny would be applied at a law enforcement level and the case would be handled with extra scrutiny.
So lacking the ideal, I’m here to remind you that just before his suicide he proclaimed, “I’m not going to commit suicide.”
I’m extremely puzzled how this isn’t brought up every time, people need to remember.
yeah that’s what they said!
doesn’t look like anything to me
