The woman who actually lives in the house had just moved to Oklahoma City from Maryland with her family about two weeks earlier.
“I keep asking them, ‘who are you? What are you doing here? What’s happening,’” she said. “And they said, ‘we have a warrant for the house, a search warrant.’”
She said they ordered her and her daughters outside into the rain before they could even put on clothes.
“They wanted me to change in front of all of them, in between all of them,” she said. “My husband has not even seen my daughter in her undergarments—her own dad, because it’s respectful. You have her out there, a minor, in her underwear.”
Marisa said the names on the search warrant were not hers or anyone in her family.
“We just moved here from Maryland,” she said. “We’re citizens. That’s what I kept saying. We’re citizens.”
She said the agents didn’t care.
“They were very dismissive, very rough, very careless,” she said. “I kept pleading. I kept telling them we weren’t criminals. They were treating us like criminals. We were here by ourselves. We didn’t do anything.”
Marisa said the agents tore apart every square inch of the house and what few belongings they had, seizing their phones, laptops and their life savings in cash as “evidence.”
“I told them before they left, I said you took my phone. We have no money. I just moved here,” she said. “I have to feed my children. I’m going to need gas money. I need to be able to get around. Like, how do you just leave me like this? Like an abandoned dog.”
Before they left, Marisa said one of the agents made a comment.
“One of them said, ‘I know it was a little rough this morning,’” she said. “It was so denigrating. That you do all of this to a family, to women, your fellow citizens. And it was a little rough? You literally traumatized me and my daughters for life. We’re going to have to go get help or get over this somehow.”
Now, Marisa said they have, quite literally, nothing.
“I said, ‘when are we going to get our stuff back?’ They said it could be days or it could be months,” she said.
Marisa said she is left with nothing but questions.
Remember folks, every vote counts. We did this to ourselves.
I’ve said it before elsewhere but it needs to be heard…
It’s just wild to me continually seeing posts not understanding how this all works, and how it would play out. It’s like the people who thought China paid the tariffs…
The house is almost tied. That’s who passes bills, handles impeachments, some of the most powerful committees are, and who impeaches Presidents…
218 Republicans, 213 Democrats.
Let’s see, take New York for example.
26 representatives total, 19 Democrat and 7 Republican.
5 of those were within 2 points last time their seat was up.
People who think that New York is blue, their vote doesn’t matter, skips the votes for the House and Senate and end up losing a Blue house seat but later complain that nothing changes are literally the fucking problem.
Every. Fucking. State. Is. Like. This.
Apathetic morons who don’t realize that the president is only held accountable by the other branch of government then wave their hands around when they did jack shit to help put people in place to, are the fucking problem.
District 3 of California was lost by 24,000 votes. District 22 was lost by 3,000.
Those two seats in the house, along with the close ones in New York, Jersey, Michigan, Illinois, Washington, hell every state… Are what makes the House of Representatives or breaks it.
So, if you think that your vote for president doesn’t matter, so you skip voting and let these other seats slip, yes, you’re a fucking moron who can’t grasp basic concepts of government that are taught in 4th grade.
And don’t get me started on the State House/Senates, how they define voting laws and voting zones and engage in gerrymandering.
Every fucking vote counts.
And until the country realizes it, and starts acting on it, we’ll keep getting the shit we deserve.
House needs a simple majority, and two thirds of the Senate.
Democrats would need ~18 seats.
First, that won’t happen in 2026.
Even the best cases make it hard to win enough by 2028. Which is why impeachment is just not something we can hold out for.
Gerrymandering is part of why this is a problem, which is done at the local level, and again why every vote counts.
How could it play out? Assuming some absurdly weird upside down world just opposite of what we’re living in, this is the only path just looking at the numbers…
Again, Democrats would need to gain 18 net seats. Seats Potentially in Play (Republican Incumbents): This requires looking at seats up in upcoming cycles.
- Class 1 Seats (Up in 2026):
- Highly Competitive Targets: These would be the first priority. States where Democrats have won statewide recently or that lean only slightly Republican. Examples based on recent political history might include:
- North Carolina (Budd-R)
- Alaska (Sullivan-R) - Unique dynamics with ranked-choice voting.
- Stretch Targets: States that are more Republican but could potentially flip under exceptionally favorable conditions (like the hypothetical turnout).
- Iowa (Ernst-R)
- Montana (Daines-R) - Depends heavily on candidate matchups.
- Kentucky (McConnell-R’s seat - potential retirement changes dynamics)
- Kansas (Marshall-R)
- South Carolina (Graham-R)
- Very Difficult Targets: Solidly Republican states requiring overwhelming Democratic turnout and significant shifts among other voters.
- Texas (Cornyn-R)
- Mississippi (Wicker-R)
- Alabama (Tuberville-R)
- West Virginia (Capito-R)
- Oklahoma (Mullin-R - Special election winner)
- Wyoming (Lummis-R)
- Idaho (Risch-R)
- Arkansas (Cotton-R)
- Nebraska (Ricketts-R)
- South Dakota (Rounds-R)
- Louisiana (Cassidy-R) - Jungle primary system.
- Highly Competitive Targets: These would be the first priority. States where Democrats have won statewide recently or that lean only slightly Republican. Examples based on recent political history might include:
- Class 2 Seats (Up in 2028): (Looking further ahead)
- Highly Competitive Targets:
- Maine (Collins-R) - Often competitive, depends on matchup.
- Georgia (Perdue/Ossoff dynamic showed competitiveness, depends who holds it after '26 potentially) - Assuming GOP holds a seat here.
- Stretch Targets:
- Michigan (Peters-D currently, but listing potential GOP flips back if one happened hypothetically before 2028) - Generally leans D, but could be contested.
- New Hampshire (Shaheen-D currently) - Generally leans D, but listing potential GOP flips back.
- Very Difficult Targets: (Many solidly Republican states)
- Tennessee (Hagerty-R)
- Alaska (Murkowski-R historically, depends on dynamics)
- North Carolina (Tillis-R)
- Iowa (Grassley-R seat potentially)
- Texas (Cruz-R)
- Kentucky (Paul-R)
- And many others similar to the 2026 list (SC, AL, MS, WY, ID, NE, SD, KS, WV, OK).
- Highly Competitive Targets:
It’s going to take an absolutely historic level of pain to both drive enough people to vote MAGA out to make this change though.
The amount that’s being excused, sanewashed, and just drowned out with other absurdities…
We’re on all on this shit ride until some new wildcard comes into play.
No impeachment, no Supreme Court, no guardrail is going to change that.
Something new and unaccounted for is the only feasible catalyst.
That’s very cute but votes and elections are a thing of the pass in America.
I wish people didn’t vote against Bernie in the primaries.
I’d vote to support progressive candidates, but neo-liberals can legitimately go fuck themselves.
We should unite and convince people to stop voting for establishment candidates. It’s their turn to fall in line since progressives aren’t doing it.
I wish people didn’t vote against Bernie in the primaries.
They didn’t.
It is true, every vote counts, but not for the Democrats. They have approved Trumps household and supported him in other legislation already. Biden continued much of Trumps legacy of deportations, wall building and raiding innocent people. The laws around “civil forfeiture” have been expanded by Democrats on state level and upheld by Democrats on the federal level throughout the past 30ish years.
Unless the leadership and party elites of the past decades are purged from the party it will never be a vehicle of change, only of maintaining the decline at a slower rate than under the Republicans.
EDIT: Another example of the Democrats making sure that progressives that could challenge Trump are blocked as much as possible on their way. https://www.jezebel.com/75-year-old-democrat-who-beat-aoc-for-key-role-resigns-after-4-months
BRO SHE RESIGNED?! GIVE ME A FUCKING BREAK.
every vote counts
Ummm, not to be an ass but no. The usa has some of the highest number of disenfranchisement in the world. Then you have people like me who’s vote does not count at all in american elections (there are dozens of us!).
Confidently incorrect.
Like I said, every single local election, from city BOE and councils, to county boards to state officials count.
The local elections are who draw the districts are who disenfranchise.
The county courts, the district courts who are elected are who rule in favor of gerrymandering.
So if you skip a vote, if you are too busy, too tired, too hungover, that’s it. It’s on you.
If you can’t grasp that, it’s on you.
Not be that guy, but the person you’re replying to isn’t exactly wrong in saying “every vote counts is wrong” in some cases.
Being pedantically literal, yes, every vote is counted.
The reality of First Past The Post voting and the Electoral College is that the only votes that “count” insofar that they actually affect the outcome of an election are votes for the winning party. Now add on to that the common understanding that both major parties only care about what their corporate donors have to say, and that individual voter participation isn’t likely to influence anything other than the party campaign strategy for the next election.
That means that if enough people vote as a collective to flip which party wins, then and only then does their vote count for anything meaningful. People should vote anyways, but it’s not hard to see why someone might be just a little bit disenfranchised when their participation in the democratic process seems to result in nothing but wasted time because they live next to a bunch of a conservative hicks.
You are absolutely right about smaller state and local elections, though. Those are where each vote actually has a chance to be meaningful.
Or you live in DC, or Puerto Rico or any other US territory, or are a felon, or an immigrant. I am really shocked that anyone can look at the usa and see a democracy in this day and age.
I am not american, and if I was one of approximately 5.1 million (that is about 1 out of 44 or so people) who have lost the ability to vote, no I don’t have a say in any level of us politics.
You are as a nation well past the “lesser evil” party saving you. You are full on into the sort of terrible collapse shown in the subject of the article you are promoting. As a side note, with how the silly two teams system of yours works, the dems if back in power will forever be a little worse then before trump.
Voting doesn’t matter when both candidates are right-wing.
That’s literally why we’re here.
And it’s the local smaller elections that form the basis of the “parties” that put those candidates up.
The DNC and RNC, all those people sent from the states to nominate who the Democrat or Republican runner is, they’re all locals.
If people stepped up and replaced those ignorant twats, we’d get something different.
But instead, we whine that it doesn’t matter and don’t do anything and wonder why it doesn’t change.
Can you stop spamming this shit?
Once everyone has seen it, totally.
Don’t suppose you’re in the camp wanting to disenfranchise voters, are ya skippy?
Don’t suppose you’re in the camp wanting to disenfranchise voters, are ya skippy?
Damn, you caught me
The camp with kamalacaust? Nah, never been.
You can keep scrolling. Literally a flick of the finger.
There’s a block feature.
Remember folks, every vote counts. We did this to ourselves.
Who is “we”? Keep me out of your cult.
I didn’t nominate any cops and I don’t vote for them. That’s how we got here.
- Class 1 Seats (Up in 2026):
Why is ICE seizing anything outside of whoever they supposedly had a warrant for? Did the warrant say take all electronics and valuables as they are being used to hide/fund someone we don’t like, but the people that live their, yeah their fine let them be? Like what? How is this not just want to be terrorists fucking over people with impunity?
Civil asset forfeiture… It’s uh, it’s not great.
Let’s call it what it is. State sponsored theft of civilians.
It’s piracy.
If it is piracy that is authorized by the government it’s called privateering.
Oh, okay, that’s much better.
Why does ICE have jurisdiction to seize civil assets anyway? Does my cash need a fucking passport now?
The United States Government vs tree fiddy, the honorable OleWhitey Mcfash presiding.
It is so demoralizing to try and explain civil asset forfeiture. I’ve never had a single person believe that it’s real when I tell them about it - everybody insists that it can’t possibly be true since it’s so flagrantly unconstitutional.
It’s “constitutional” because they’re accusing the “money” of being used illegally. There’s no actual person being accused here, but if you want to get your money back you’ll need to prove it’s innocence in court.
It’s ridiculous. At least the Institute for Justice has been winning court cases against this, but there’s still a long way to go: https://ij.org/issues/private-property/civil-forfeiture/
Edit: typo
John Oliver had a segment on this that may help convince people that it is real: https://youtu.be/3kEpZWGgJks
“The court system in my country is so close-knit with the police that they have a policy of not charging cops with most of the crimes they might commit when on duty or requiring any proof of their statements in court.” Yeah it’s demoralizing but I don’t find it hard to explain because at a high level the issue isn’t complicated.
Same, most people assume I’m being a crazy person and I’m about to go off about some sovcit shit or “the moon is a NASA projector they lost control of in 1962!” Or something.
There’s a movie called Rebel Ridge in which this practice, and a corrupt police department, serve as the antagonists. It’s a very harsh movie but very vindicating conclusion.
They have been doing shit like this for years anyway. The cops in some communities even outright stop countless vehicles coming out in order to 'seize drug money’and they end up taking any cash the person has without any evidence whatsoever. This is some Robin Hood villain shit.
Robin Hood was stealing from the rich to give to the poor, not robbing the poor for the rich.
“Robin Hood villain”
Robbin the hood
The sheriff was the villain in that story, close enough!
The cops have been the biggest thieves for a long time.
How do you know they are even ICE. Not saying they aren’t agents, but there was an EO that basically repurposed a lot of other agencies to become ICE deputies. DEA, ATF, etc.
Heard in a podcast that 80% of ATF is now doing ice stuff.
We decided we needed to be able to shut down drug dealers by seizing their money without need for any real proof. Since then the majority of seizures, 84%, are civil most incidental to purposeless searches that turn up no crime. Many seizures are in fact under $1000 and most are under $2000. In theory you can get your money back but it often would cost thousands so for most victims its impossible to actually get money back without spending more.
Basically for decades the authorities have been acting as robbers and have collectively stolen billions from the people directly often stopping minorities for driving while black and treating the $400 in random bob’s wallet as proceeds of an imaginary crime they don’t need to substantiate. Being black and having $400 is enough.
We decided we needed to be able to shut down drug dealers by seizing their money without need for any real proof.
This is why it was so important to declare a “War on Drugs.” Most people thought it was just political rhetoric, but it was far more than that. By declaring a literal WAR on drugs, it offers the government an array of options that aren’t available in peacetime. One of those being the ability to alter the way suspects/combatants and their possessions/ weapons are treated. Money and valuables can be treated as a tool of drug dealing, and confiscated as spoils of war.
Youre really misunderstanding what declaring an actual war is or is not. Technically the US has not been in an actual declared war since WWII.
The Vietnam War, the Korean War, the Iraq wars, none of those were declared as actual war by congress. The war on drugs is just political rhetoric and has no actual legal bearing.
You cant declare formal war on drug use because drug use isnt a recognized sovereign country
Youre argument makes no sense, and is contradicted in each sentence.
The Vietnam War, the Korean War, the Iraq wars, none of those were declared as actual war by congress.
And yet, they were still wars, with lots of deaths of Americans. Clearly, those that are committed to fighting wars, don’t feel like they require the distinction of being legally declared wars by Congress.
The war on drugs is just political rhetoric and has no actual legal bearing.
And yet many people have died, been imprisoned, and died as a result. Just try to tell people who are serving years or decades in prison that their sentences were just “political rhetoric,” and had “no actual legal bearing.”
Youre fundamentally confusing what “political rhetoric” is versus what a legal action is. Calling the war on drugs a war doesnt make it a war with any actual legal modifications for anything.
Calling the war on drugs a war is a political justification for the actions taken against drug use. Therefore, calling the war on drugs a war is not a legal thing. Its just political rhetoric.
I dont see how else to explain that for you
You keep saying that, but their actual actions contradict that.
Its like saying HitlerPig isn’t supposed to rule with Executive Actions, he needs to legislate through Congress, as Constitutionally-mandated, and yet here he is, doing it.
It doesn’t matter what the law says, if the result is the same. They framed the “War on Drugs” as political rhetoric to provide plausible deniability for enablers like you, when in reality, it was absolutely used as a justification to greatly militarize law enforcement, deny citizens (mostly minorities) their Constituional and Civil Rights, increase prison sentences, embrace civil forfeiture, etc. You accepted it as strong language to fight the drug scourge, but they used it as cover to supress our rights, in the name of drugs.
It worked so well, they used the same strategy again. In the 2000s, they used the threat of Terrorism to declare a War on Terror, and establish Homeland Security, and reduce our rights even more.
The smartest thing to do at this point is just block you because you literally don’t understand what words mean and when called on literal nonsense just double down on the nonsense.
They were imprisoned by actual drug laws that have nothing to do with the usage of the word war.
You’re misunderstanding that you don’t need to declare an actual war to use wartime emergency powers. At any given time there are dozens of official federal emergencies, some of which have been in place for decades, allowing the White House to claim emergency powers.
You do need an actual war to use wartime emergency powers. There are declared emergencies other than war
The war on drugs has only ever been rhetoric. It never literally gave anyone any additional powers because it is not in any way shape or form a declared war and has no legal meanings other than the ones you have completely fabricated in your alternate history.
Who is “we”? Please leave me out of this cult.
The life savings were illegal immigrants?
/s , obviously
The real reason is probably civil asset forfeiture.
Generally the search and seizure is for the property, not the people. That’s IF they bother with a warrant which apparently is a big ask these days.
Illegal search and seizure. Where’s the nra? The various groups that swore to uphold the constitution?
“Marisa. Sounds Mexican, she deserves it probably.”
-NRA
Her name is Marisa.
Even Mexicaner
Fairly sure it’s Italian/Spanish actually. But, most republicans probably think of them as the same thing.
You know an awful lot about them foreigners.
I think you are one too.
Naah probably just one of them uppity college professors. I bet they don’t even like football.
They wish they had our Mediterranean good looks.
You’re right! Idk why my brain deleted the S when I went to write it out, thanks!
Unironically enough for MAGAts to call for deportation.
The NRA gave up their ‘jack-booted thugs’ rhetoric and started kissing Republican asses when Bush Jr. was president. Bush very publicly renounced his lifetime membership over LaPierre’s–very, very reasonable and measured–stance that the feds were shitty people. The NRA caved rather than continue to speak the obvious truth, and they’ve had a fetish for licking cop boots ever since.
They’re probably at a klan rally.
They were already there, doing the seizing.
How long before people start pretending to be ICE to basically break and enter into homes to rob people? Not like they can fight back, or even question things, or have due process, if someone in an ICE vest shows up at your door.
What do mean “how long”? It’s exactly what happened here?
No it isn’t, homeland security took responsibility.
Interesting how many just mindlessly upvoted it
Is there any evidence it hasn’t happened already? It’s not like they’d announce or even denounce it.
Is there anything morally different between pretending to be ICE to break into people’s homes to rob them and actually being ICE and breaking into people’s homes to rob them?
Being ICE is worse because the victims are more likely to be shot or deported by these goons. Regular burglary just wants your shit with none of that hassle.
People need to start breaking down the doors of the homes of rich white Republicans, accusing them of being illegal aliens, and claiming to be ICE. That’s when this will actually stop.
This has already been happening for several months: https://www.cnn.com/2025/02/04/us/ice-impersonators-on-the-rise-arrests-made-as-authorities-issue-national-warning/index.html
People are going to stop answering the doors politely.
They were asleep
I’m reminded of Breonna Taylor now. Different circumstances, but the same perpetrators.
A lot of communities now have local organizations with armed volunteers ready to show up and stop ICE.
Try to look around for your local leftist orgs, if one isn’t already doing this then it’s probably coming soon or just one comment away from realizing it’s a good idea.
Find your local orgs, stay in contact, stay organized, and stay armed.
“What if I would have been armed,” she said.
What, indeed.
She’d be dead but possibly celebrated.
“Woman with no active warrants shot by police searching for illegal immigrant gang members”
–Mass media
“ICE Agents life SLAMMED by ILLEGAL immigrant gang member murderer”
- Fox News
The fecklessness of the mass media, and anyone that believes journalism is just repeating/reporting on what was said is certainly without end. Any journalist or Outlet that frets over access to groups or individuals because of their reporting aren’t involved in journalism. Just complicit in aiding propaganda. And we’ve just described almost every last bit of a media sadly.
“South American shot after opening fire on police searching for illegal immigrant gang members”
FTFY
“Woman with no active warrants shot
by police searchingduring search for illegal immigrant gang members”I think this is how it would likely be reported. Making it a more passive action would shield responsibility.
Okay why the fuck did this post get deleted.
Was it deleted? It seems fine on my end though I might be missing something. My best guess and the only logical thing to suspect. Is that pointing out fascists would gleefully kill anyone who resists them was somehow mistaken as call for violence. Not just simply acknowledging the behavior of fascists.
I’m not a big advocate for arming in general. In a just Civil Society there should be no need for weapons and guns. However we don’t live in such a society at this point. And I think it’s a good idea for everyone especially the vulnerable and minorities to arm themselves in the face of the fascist. But I certainly will not scold them for not doing so. Because it absolutely could escalate things and cost them their life. It’s going to happen at some point though. I don’t want it to, but if people keep failing to put the fascists down. It will
Might have been “because repost.”
To your other points, everything good must be backed up with “We’ll fight you to the death over this if we have to.”
Indeed.
I’m sorry but at this point I would be too embarrased to be an American citizen and migrate the F out lmao, a second term Donald Trump? So embarrassing 😭🤦🏻♂️💩💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀
What country are you in, and what have you done to make it easier for people to claim asylum there?
If only it were that easy.
I am embarrassed to be American. But I’m also too poor to do anything about it
And that’s what the rich want! The rich getting richer and the poor getting poorer! It’s the new American way sadly!
That’s kind of an asshole take. As a US citizen, there’s no country that would take me in right now. I’m just not eligible to work in any of the other countries I’ve looked at.
First, I only know English. I know a bit of French because my parents paid for lessons when I was a kid, but I’ve had zero chance to practice after college. Many Americans have no foreign language experience at all.
Second, what skills can a typical American market? If you don’t have any good skills, it’s hard to apply for work visa in another country. You could try applying for asylum, but other countries don’t really see things as bad enough to take in Americans yet.
Third, how long would it take to apply? A year is typical. Again, you could try asylum which may have an initial time allocation to stay until your hearing. But that only works once countries start accepting Americans’ asylum claims.
A lot of people can’t afford to move.
And a lot of people want to stay and fight.
In November I woke up ready to bail. but upon reviewing my options, I determined that nowhere was really better.
There seem to be precious few countries that aren’t flirting with authoritarian parties right now and leaving this one, where I have my social safety net (friends and family, if not government aid) and at least a small amount of power to vote for my values, to go somewhere where I am an immigrant or refugee and lose the power to change policy seemed to be a poor choice. so far. I’m white, straight and middle class, though, so that may be entirely different math for other people.
I’m choosing to stay and fight.
We are the illegal immigrants now.
Genocide abroad <—> Genocide at home
Thanks to the people that didn’t vote or threw away their vote, we’ll get both.
So you are saying that crooks could just type up fake ICE warrants and rob rich people?
Yup, just need a van with ICE on it, and someone to sneak in and hide that the fake ICE will find and now you also have a reason to take that rich person’s phone as “evidence” as well so they can’t contact anyone for help.
Heck, if it’s a particularly daring gang, they could then “arrest” said rich person, and get them to tell you the name of a fellow rich person they can contact to post “bail” for them by paying to a virtual bank, then transferring that money to foreign banks to them convert into a cryptocurrency, to get even more money.
I bet ICE would be reined in if rich conservatives got targeted…
As much as I want to blame ICE agents for this, they’re really just pawns in a much greater scheme.
No, I will direct all my ire towards the ruling class and their families. They are the ones who are conditioning everyone else to hysterically chase ghosts as a distraction from their exploitation.
ICE wanted to do this. Plenty of other agencies have resisted Trump’s orders in court. In contrast, ICE was given permission to be the version of themselves they always wanted to be, and this is what it is.
Why did they want to do this, though?
You know how police are regularly accused of having racial prejudice? The common joke is that you join ICE if you’re too racist to be a regular cop.
It’s not a joke tho.
There are certain types of cops who take the job because they get to do stuff like this. I personally don’t understand the mindset at all and I’m not going to try to explain it. It’s just very clear that they relish the opportunity to do it.
So you’re saying if you ended up in this line of work, you’d just, “follow orders”?
No. I’m saying a good deal of the people choosing to do this have actually had that decision made for them without realizing it.
They’re adults, not fucking children, so how are they “having the decision made for them”? They could literally not comply at many points along the way.
Most people can’t think for themselves, child or not, and are just doing whatever they think will make them look good in front of their peers.
Hopefully I don’t have to write on essay on how the people who stand to profit from sowing this divide manipulate us into thinking we value things that we really shouldn’t.
“They’re NPCs” isn’t the defense you think it is.
Saying they’re NPCs is an oversimplification for silly memers like yourself.
What I said was the truth, whether you want to accept it or not.
Now, go off and do whatever you think will make you look good in front of your peers 👍
I legit can’t tell if you’re trolling or if you legitimately believe this asinine position you’re pushing.
There are some branches of government you can try and put that on, like soldiers who joined to “serve their country” and end up in a war in a country that they didn’t belong into, but ICE literally only does one thing like they have been worse lately but that’s because they can without consequences
No need to feel sorry for “soldiers”. But I do feel bad for the brainwashed children exploited by the military.
I know. I’m trying to see things for what they are and acknowledge that a lot of people will end up joining ICE because of their conditioning by the ruling class to chase ghosts.
“It’s not the people getting rich off of exploiting me for why my life sucks, it’s those damned immigrants!”
The fact is that most cops are just bad people. No need to blame anybody else.
There’s plenty of ire to go around, in my book.
Every ICE agent that follows these orders is also to blame. These people are the foot soldiers of fascism.
We had police just following orders during WWII in France. This is not a proud moment of our history, we pardon but we do not forgive.
They were just following orders, right?
Good ol’ Nuremberg defence.
Pawns don’t have to move.
It’s ICE bootlicker.
Don’t blame ice because of blank. Blame blank and blame ice. blame the tools as well as the fools.
“Don’t blame the SS. Just following orders. Blame the leadership!”
Well, they’re not entirely wrong. The participants should, of course, be accountable, but not exclusively the direct participants. After World War II, we did hold those leaders to account, which is a history lesson that Merrick Garland apparently missed.
Why in the hell would one move to a shitty red run welfare state? ICE is the neo Gestapo or NKVD.
ICE needs to be abolished. If they can’t do their job effectively and legally then they shouldn’t have jobs.
ICE needs to be abolished.
If they can’t do their job effectively and legally thenthey shouldn’t have jobs.FTFY
Racism and ethnic cleansing are not “jobs” that should be done at all.
No shit. But immigration laws are important for good reason at the same time.
Yea it keeps people hating one another simply for being born somewhere else and ensures class warfare amongst the population.
What good reasons?
Immigration laws exist to manage the flow of people into and out of a country, regulating who can enter, for what purpose, and for how long. These laws are based on principles like family reunification, providing humanitarian aid, and recognizing skilled workers who benefit the economy. Additionally, they serve to ensure national security and public safety.
Nice chatgpt reply
Gotta love how lazy people are that they can’t even argue their own point without asking a machine to make it for them.
I get tired of repeating myself
Exactly how much arguing with people on Lemmy do you do that you find it too tiresome to do it yourself, but rather than just not engaging, you have a machine do it for you? Tbh, sounds like some shit a troll factory would do.
go back to reddit please. save us the pain of downvoting you
If you’ve said it before you could just copy and paste it
I think everyone here gets tired of you repeating yourself.
The solution to not repeating yourself is to stop talking, but you just love the attention whether negative or positive
So they exist to solve problems that wouldn’t otherwise exist. Got it.
They exist because governments need to understand who the hell is in their borders for numerous reasons. If you don’t think that borders should exist… well then countries don’t exist… and so on…
You can easily administrate a region without walling off that region
This is paranoia not reality. The US has had very open boarders for a long long time, the boarder between Mexico and the US only had check points for commerce for most of my life until W started the fever dream that people moving across the boarder is going to get all the white women killed. This isn’t reality. There aren’t droves of Mexicans raping and killing white women, in fact, immigrants commit the least amount of crime out of any group of people in the US. This isn’t a problem if you aren’t a fucking racist paranoid idiot.
Countries should not exist, duh!
I’m going to disregard that first sentence because you’re explaining what they do, not giving good reasons for why they exist. In the second sentence, you indicated the principles that their existence is supposedly rooted in, but still fail to provide a good reason. Now, the third sentence: How do they ensure national security and public safety? Is there meaningful, demonstrable, or statistically significant evidence that this is the case, or are you taking it at face value to be the truth?
No, they’re mostly bullshit actually.
The cruelty is the point. ICE is the refuge for assholes too racist even by normal Texas police standards.
The first item of the hiring rubrik for ICE is literally; “JERKS ONLY!”
They need to be dissolved. In acid.
You really shouldn’t want them to be doing their jobs to any degree at all. Effective or otherwise.
then they shouldn’t have jobs.
for the rest of their lives. and no gov backed living either, they need to be forced to live under the bridge
Their job is to cause terrorism they do it well
Civil Asset Forfeiture. It’s legal in most states, but some are better than others. Oklahoma is dog shit:
https://ij.org/report/policing-for-profit-3/?state=OK
Seriously people, don’t move to Oklahoma, or really most southern states.
Do not move anywhere in the US, just move out.
LMAO why do people always say this.
If it were that easy, the entire population of every authoritarian country would have already moved out.
At least you won’t get shot or tried (looking at you NK). It is not easy, but not impossible, and there is a tipping point, which is different for everyone as people have different values and scales.
For someone, paying 10$ an egg is survivable as long as their family is close.
I don’t want weak cowards anywhere in my nation, so yeah, you can leave buddy, don’t let the door hit your ass on the way If you are even in this country, I have a feeling you are not.
Weak coward for MAGAts, common sense for everyone else.
Does not apply to DHS agents.
If you think that’ll stop them, I have a bridge to sell you. In case you hadn’t noticed, the law doesn’t mean anything any more to the people in power.
You mentioned southern states, but I just checked a few other states, because I was thinking maybe they’re blue, liberal, and it may be better:
HI: D- IL: D- MA: F WA: D-
Oops!!!
For comparison: OK: D- TX: D+
TX scored the highest out of these states. We’re fucked!
Yeah unfortunately it’s no guarantee that blue states are better. Many are, but not all. Colorado, California, and New York all score a ‘C’, still not great but much better.
Police in Oklahoma kicked me out of my house at my ex’s request. No police report, no idea why.
Curious how they felt they were entitled to seize their electronics and savings. AFAIK “search warrants” are typically isolated to specific people and property, not a free-for-all where they can just take anything they feel like taking. However, I saw it mentioned in a previous post about this that these agents aren’t even getting search warrants but a “writ” and that agents are intentionally conflating the two in the media in order to provide a false sense of legitimacy to their illegal and unconstitutional actions.
Welcome to the world of civil asset forfeiture. That family will have to prove that that money was not the proceeds of a crime to get it back. And yes, that is a reversal of the standard: the money is guilty until proven innocent.
The US justice system has been subverted long before Trump to enable absurd shit like this that are obviously in violation of the 4th amendment.
