The woman who actually lives in the house had just moved to Oklahoma City from Maryland with her family about two weeks earlier.
“I keep asking them, ‘who are you? What are you doing here? What’s happening,’” she said. “And they said, ‘we have a warrant for the house, a search warrant.’”
She said they ordered her and her daughters outside into the rain before they could even put on clothes.
“They wanted me to change in front of all of them, in between all of them,” she said. “My husband has not even seen my daughter in her undergarments—her own dad, because it’s respectful. You have her out there, a minor, in her underwear.”
Marisa said the names on the search warrant were not hers or anyone in her family.
“We just moved here from Maryland,” she said. “We’re citizens. That’s what I kept saying. We’re citizens.”
She said the agents didn’t care.
“They were very dismissive, very rough, very careless,” she said. “I kept pleading. I kept telling them we weren’t criminals. They were treating us like criminals. We were here by ourselves. We didn’t do anything.”
Marisa said the agents tore apart every square inch of the house and what few belongings they had, seizing their phones, laptops and their life savings in cash as “evidence.”
“I told them before they left, I said you took my phone. We have no money. I just moved here,” she said. “I have to feed my children. I’m going to need gas money. I need to be able to get around. Like, how do you just leave me like this? Like an abandoned dog.”
Before they left, Marisa said one of the agents made a comment.
“One of them said, ‘I know it was a little rough this morning,’” she said. “It was so denigrating. That you do all of this to a family, to women, your fellow citizens. And it was a little rough? You literally traumatized me and my daughters for life. We’re going to have to go get help or get over this somehow.”
Now, Marisa said they have, quite literally, nothing.
“I said, ‘when are we going to get our stuff back?’ They said it could be days or it could be months,” she said.
Marisa said she is left with nothing but questions.
ICE needs to be abolished. If they can’t do their job effectively and legally then they shouldn’t have jobs.
You really shouldn’t want them to be doing their jobs to any degree at all. Effective or otherwise.
The cruelty is the point. ICE is the refuge for assholes too racist even by normal Texas police standards.
The first item of the hiring rubrik for ICE is literally; “JERKS ONLY!”
ICE needs to be abolished.
If they can’t do their job effectively and legally thenthey shouldn’t have jobs.FTFY
Their job is to cause terrorism they do it well
then they shouldn’t have jobs.
for the rest of their lives. and no gov backed living either, they need to be forced to live under the bridge
Racism and ethnic cleansing are not “jobs” that should be done at all.
No shit. But immigration laws are important for good reason at the same time.
No, they’re mostly bullshit actually.
What good reasons?
Immigration laws exist to manage the flow of people into and out of a country, regulating who can enter, for what purpose, and for how long. These laws are based on principles like family reunification, providing humanitarian aid, and recognizing skilled workers who benefit the economy. Additionally, they serve to ensure national security and public safety.
I’m going to disregard that first sentence because you’re explaining what they do, not giving good reasons for why they exist. In the second sentence, you indicated the principles that their existence is supposedly rooted in, but still fail to provide a good reason. Now, the third sentence: How do they ensure national security and public safety? Is there meaningful, demonstrable, or statistically significant evidence that this is the case, or are you taking it at face value to be the truth?
Nice chatgpt reply
I get tired of repeating myself
If you’ve said it before you could just copy and paste it
go back to reddit please. save us the pain of downvoting you
Exactly how much arguing with people on Lemmy do you do that you find it too tiresome to do it yourself, but rather than just not engaging, you have a machine do it for you? Tbh, sounds like some shit a troll factory would do.
I think everyone here gets tired of you repeating yourself.
The solution to not repeating yourself is to stop talking, but you just love the attention whether negative or positive
Gotta love how lazy people are that they can’t even argue their own point without asking a machine to make it for them.
So they exist to solve problems that wouldn’t otherwise exist. Got it.
They exist because governments need to understand who the hell is in their borders for numerous reasons. If you don’t think that borders should exist… well then countries don’t exist… and so on…
You can easily administrate a region without walling off that region
This is paranoia not reality. The US has had very open boarders for a long long time, the boarder between Mexico and the US only had check points for commerce for most of my life until W started the fever dream that people moving across the boarder is going to get all the white women killed. This isn’t reality. There aren’t droves of Mexicans raping and killing white women, in fact, immigrants commit the least amount of crime out of any group of people in the US. This isn’t a problem if you aren’t a fucking racist paranoid idiot.
Countries should not exist, duh!
Yea it keeps people hating one another simply for being born somewhere else and ensures class warfare amongst the population.
They need to be dissolved. In acid.
Mistakes do happen, there’s no need to overreact or blow things out of proportion.
Username checks out
It should be illegal…
But with alternating between Republicans and neoliberals for 50 years, no one has ever actually put in serious effort to reign in police. Asset seizure is 100% legal and since they’re “charging” the money/property there’s no presumed innocence.
Biden didn’t fix policing, Obama didn’t, and under Clinton it got worse in large part due to a bill Biden wrote.
Obviously Republicans have been worse, but the point is shit doesn’t ever get better.
We have a good DNC now, that won’t block good candidates, but that’s a very recent development
Quick edit:
This meant to be a reply to someone else, but something weird is happening
We have a good DNC now, that won’t block good candidates, but that’s a very recent development
Wouldn’t be so sure about that. Ken Martin is out there trying to stop David Hogg from primarying incumbents.
Good, Hogg has no traction and never will win an election. He should be the last choice for the left.
Huh? He’s not running for election; he’s using his PAC to support young progressives primarying Dem incumbents in safe blue seats.
You said he was primarying incumbents, led me to believe he was running
The bigger issue is that you felt it necessary to comment via assumptions rather than even doing a cursory google search. Without knowing anything about charisma or policy you said he should be the last choice for the left? Do you think the incumbents are doing a good job?
No I don’t think incumbents are doing a good job, but I know David Hogg, his policy positions, and public outlook. He is not a good candidate in my opinion. I was surprised and thought he was running with the way he worded his comment.
Not to mention both Obama and Biden not only failed to abolish ICE, but had higher deportation numbers than Trump in his first term.
I made it legal. It’s all like legal now. It’s so beautiful. No unnecessary things like due process.
Not any more
The US GeStaPo does not care about illegal. For them, the only illegals are their targets.
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Illegal search and seizure. Where’s the nra? The various groups that swore to uphold the constitution?
They’re probably at a klan rally.
They were already there, doing the seizing.
The NRA gave up their ‘jack-booted thugs’ rhetoric and started kissing Republican asses when Bush Jr. was president. Bush very publicly renounced his lifetime membership over LaPierre’s–very, very reasonable and measured–stance that the feds were shitty people. The NRA caved rather than continue to speak the obvious truth, and they’ve had a fetish for licking cop boots ever since.
“Marisa. Sounds Mexican, she deserves it probably.”
-NRA
Her name is Marisa.
Even Mexicaner
Fairly sure it’s Italian/Spanish actually. But, most republicans probably think of them as the same thing.
You know an awful lot about them foreigners.
I think you are one too.
Naah probably just one of them uppity college professors. I bet they don’t even like football.
They wish they had our Mediterranean good looks.
You’re right! Idk why my brain deleted the S when I went to write it out, thanks!
Unironically enough for MAGAts to call for deportation.
“What if I would have been armed,” she said.
What, indeed.
She’d be dead but possibly celebrated.
“Woman with no active warrants shot by police searching for illegal immigrant gang members”
–Mass media
“South American shot after opening fire on police searching for illegal immigrant gang members”
FTFY
“ICE Agents life SLAMMED by ILLEGAL immigrant gang member murderer”
- Fox News
The fecklessness of the mass media, and anyone that believes journalism is just repeating/reporting on what was said is certainly without end. Any journalist or Outlet that frets over access to groups or individuals because of their reporting aren’t involved in journalism. Just complicit in aiding propaganda. And we’ve just described almost every last bit of a media sadly.
“Woman with no active warrants shot
by police searchingduring search for illegal immigrant gang members”I think this is how it would likely be reported. Making it a more passive action would shield responsibility.
Okay why the fuck did this post get deleted.
Was it deleted? It seems fine on my end though I might be missing something. My best guess and the only logical thing to suspect. Is that pointing out fascists would gleefully kill anyone who resists them was somehow mistaken as call for violence. Not just simply acknowledging the behavior of fascists.
I’m not a big advocate for arming in general. In a just Civil Society there should be no need for weapons and guns. However we don’t live in such a society at this point. And I think it’s a good idea for everyone especially the vulnerable and minorities to arm themselves in the face of the fascist. But I certainly will not scold them for not doing so. Because it absolutely could escalate things and cost them their life. It’s going to happen at some point though. I don’t want it to, but if people keep failing to put the fascists down. It will
Might have been “because repost.”
To your other points, everything good must be backed up with “We’ll fight you to the death over this if we have to.”
Indeed.
A lot of communities now have local organizations with armed volunteers ready to show up and stop ICE.
Try to look around for your local leftist orgs, if one isn’t already doing this then it’s probably coming soon or just one comment away from realizing it’s a good idea.
Find your local orgs, stay in contact, stay organized, and stay armed.
ICE is going to finance itself by stealing any money they can find. It’s Mob rules from the government under Trump.
Sounds more like a typical homeinvasion robbery using ice disguises
Biggest gang showing off their thuggery.
ICEholes in action
The agents had a search warrant for the home, but the suspects listed on the warrant do not live in the house.
The woman who actually lives in the house had just moved to Oklahoma City from Maryland with her family about two weeks earlier.
Right house, but different residents.
What if you have your money in a safe? Are you obligated to open it? If they call a locksmith, hope the locksmith checks the address on the warrant?
Depends on the safe, but the people executing a search warrant, if it’s a proper search warrant, will either take the safe with them or stay there until it is opened. The locksmith is also (likely) going to be covered because he was acting at the direction of the police. That means he’s going to drill it, and probably won’t be looking at the search warrant as confirmation. A proper search warrant means you’re fucked unless the cops do something stupid, like looking in your cupboard when the search is for a cow.
It’s bogus how heinous the government can be over small crimes.
steals their life savings
Everything new is a forgotten old, Wallenstein’s turn.
But yeah, more such stories, more rougher reactions.
I think Lemmy public will reconsider their gun rights stance after a couple of years.
I think Lemmy public will reconsider their gun rights stance after a couple of years
I used to think anti gun people would face reality at some point. Then January 6th happened, and blue conservatives still wanted to disarm the people.
Even after repeatedly demonstrating they or the justice system will never defend us. We are on our own.
And yet, those who want easy access to guns argue its to protect themselves from tyrannical power. They are also not doing that. Perhaps, in part, because the power disparity between military, police, and a civilian gun owner makes personal guns little more than display pieces.
Gun ownership is a hobby. Most of the dialogue around them is theater. Those who enjoy guns own far more than is needed for ‘defense’, because it’s enjoying ownership that they’re actually defending.
Perhaps, in part, because the power disparity between military, police, and a civilian gun owner makes personal guns little more than display pieces.
So it’s better to let it grow more, right?
Gun ownership is a hobby. Most of the dialogue around them is theater. Those who enjoy guns own far more than is needed for ‘defense’, because it’s enjoying ownership that they’re actually defending.
That’s obvious, hard to do a lot of what you don’t enjoy if you can avoid it. Of course it’s theater. Most of the dialogue around karate is theater. It still somewhat prepares one physically for various events.
I wrote a Gemini (small web) client in the last 2 days, of course it’s theater, I don’t have a modus of using Gemini yet, but it was useful. At least I have a client convenient for me personally, I’ve gained some experience (ok, it’s a simple task, but), some self-confidence.
With guns - of course it’s mostly a very cool toy, people also do historical fencing with swords. But they also learn things about military history and something about using small arms. Better than nothing, sniper rifles still have a place in warfare, even if typical “assault rifles” are almost like a bayonet in WWII, still has uses, but very secondary.
Learning is the root of any achievement. Learning is helped by joy. Why should this be different for defense?
Civil Asset Forfeiture. It’s legal in most states, but some are better than others. Oklahoma is dog shit:
https://ij.org/report/policing-for-profit-3/?state=OK
Seriously people, don’t move to Oklahoma, or really most southern states.
You mentioned southern states, but I just checked a few other states, because I was thinking maybe they’re blue, liberal, and it may be better:
HI: D- IL: D- MA: F WA: D-
Oops!!!
For comparison: OK: D- TX: D+
TX scored the highest out of these states. We’re fucked!
Yeah unfortunately it’s no guarantee that blue states are better. Many are, but not all. Colorado, California, and New York all score a ‘C’, still not great but much better.
Does not apply to DHS agents.
If you think that’ll stop them, I have a bridge to sell you. In case you hadn’t noticed, the law doesn’t mean anything any more to the people in power.
Do not move anywhere in the US, just move out.
I don’t want weak cowards anywhere in my nation, so yeah, you can leave buddy, don’t let the door hit your ass on the way If you are even in this country, I have a feeling you are not.
Weak coward for MAGAts, common sense for everyone else.
LMAO why do people always say this.
If it were that easy, the entire population of every authoritarian country would have already moved out.
At least you won’t get shot or tried (looking at you NK). It is not easy, but not impossible, and there is a tipping point, which is different for everyone as people have different values and scales.
For someone, paying 10$ an egg is survivable as long as their family is close.
Police in Oklahoma kicked me out of my house at my ex’s request. No police report, no idea why.
Definitely cant see any comparisons to the SS there 👍
some fucking gestapo shit
That’s how Kristi Noem gets all her walking around cash
Technically, it was the correct home, just the occupants changed.
Man, if only there was some way to determine who the correct residents are BEFORE doing a raid… 🤔
