It’s fascinating how the new world now desires to be just like the old.
So I occasionally check the Fox News site just to see what the idiot commenters say because I find it sad yet entertaining…anyway for the article that was posted about htis issue several people were like “this is a good thing, because sepration of church and state isn’t in teh constitution” like bruh have you read the constiutuion? It’s literally stated in teh first amendment xD
Amendments aren’t part of the constitution… except the 2nd!
but someone think of the jobs lost in the comedy industry! it is not fair to take away all their jobs. i thought maga would help pick cotton, but no…
Trump needs a bunch of people willing to believe anything told to then and the religious crowd seems to have an endless appetite for rage inducing bullshit.
Christian here.
Trump can fuck all the way off with that bullshit.
Your religion is rotten. I judge it by its fruit.
I know quite a few atheist pieces of shit.
Good for you. What does that have to do with Christianity being rotten?
Well we are just lumping groups together by their “rotten fruit” aren’t we?
No, we’re describing a religion and what its followers behave like. Atheism isn’t a religion or a group. It’s a choice to refrain from belief in a god. Christianity has churches, pastors, and now presidents who lead their followers into morally reprehensible behavior. One is rotten fruit, the other is rejecting rotten fruit. It’s not the same.
Ok, so no room for me to prove I’m a good person?
None whatsoever?
I’m judged because of my beliefs, not my behaviour?
I said nothing about you as a person. My criticism is of your religion. If you’re taking it personally, that’s on your own conscience, and perhaps something you should reflect on.
A good person doesn’t support their religion when their religion is creating fascism in their country.
A good person stands up and says to trump: Despite my beliefs, I denounce what you are saying and cast you out of my religion you heathen.
But this is not what we are seeing, is it? You are against trump, I assume, yet you still defend religion before you fight fascism. Maybe ask yourself why that is.
Good luck defending what trump does in the name of religion.
The main difference between Christianity and atheism is that atheism is no organised movement. We don’t have a pope (no matter what Christians say about us, I don’t follow any of the so called “leaders” of the atheist movement like richard dawkins and his positions on the trans right movement for instance) and we don’t have a centralised structure, we simply don’t believe in ANY god.
On the other hand there is Christianity and all organised religions which, as the name suggests, are ORGANISED around a central set of dogmas which are intended to be accepted as gospel by all their members. If you’re part of one of such religions you implicitly accept all their teachings as true and you support their message and actions. If you don’t want to be lump in with all other cultists following these directions please remove yourself from this specific group or shut the hell up.
Thank you for coming to my ted talk, I’ll be here as long as needed
I know quite a few human pieces of shit.
Christ, if he was at all like his stories, was a pretty cool guy.
Shame Christianity co-opted his name.
Yeah, that’s why I said the religion is rotten. If I say an apple is rotten, people don’t usually respond by saying “Yeah but it came from a cool tree”.
That’s not helpful right now.
Calling out Christians on their bullshit support of a fascist criminal that completely disrespects all of the values of their religion isn’t helpful?
@Inanimate_Carbon_Rod obviously doesn’t support that fascist. We need all the allies we can get, and you’re pushing them away.
He supports a religion that supports that fascist.
That’s whats great about spirituality, no one person can say what you believe other than you. Similarly, Christianity doesn’t have a single voice of authority.
We’re not talking about spirituality. I’m spiritual. We’re talking about organized religion, that has an awfully genocidal and hateful track record, with one halfway decent prophet who said some nice things, and also some completely incoherent things about being one with the hateful God of this religion.
The separation of church and state protects the church from the state at least as much as the state from the church. Christians should fear a “Christian” state.
This. All the Christians that support a theocracy need to stop and realise that there’s no guarantee that their particular denomination is going to be the one running said theocracy. The whole concept of freedom of religion depends on the separation of church and state.
How about go fuck yourself.
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What about kings and emperors?
Fuck no, not even wannabe ones like Turd.
What about kings and emperors?
Witcher 2 opening scene comes to mind. (time stamped)
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No gods, no masters, no slaves.
Are we building an underwater city?
Yes!
Is this just a map link to all of Florida?
No masters=no slaves. It’s self describing.
Fair point. I’ve only seen the phrase written as, “No masters, no slaves.”
The anarchist term is: no gods(atheism=free spiritually) no masters(no slavery=free in reality).
No gods, no masters" is a political slogan associated with anarchist and leftist labor movements, expressing a desire for freedom from both religious and secular authority. The phrase is a rejection of all forms of oppression and hierarchical structures, including those based on religion and power. Elaboration: Origin: The phrase “no gods, no masters” likely has roots in a 15th-century German proverb and gained prominence in the 1870s through a disciple of Auguste Blanqui. Meaning: It signifies a rejection of all forms of authority and control, including religious, political, and economic domination. Anarchist Context: The slogan is a core principle of anarchism, which advocates for a stateless society based on self-governance and voluntary cooperation. Leftist and Labor Movements: The phrase is also used by leftist and labor movements to express opposition to capitalist structures and to advocate for worker empowerment and social justice. Other Meanings: The phrase can also be used in a more general sense to express a desire for individual autonomy and freedom from external constraints.
A common theme of MAGA is inventing problems that they can solve.
The idea that Christianity in the US is under threat and needs additional protections, is some epic persecution complex.
I had an old boss tell me that Christians are the most persecuted people on earth. They truly believe it and get off on it. All while existing in a country where you almost have to be Christian or at least Jewish to be elected to national office. It’s pure mass delusion propaganda.
A common theme of MAGA is inventing problems that they can solve
That they can pretend to solve.
when your only skills are being angry and stupid you have to get creative
Their skill is making other people angry, and that anger makes them stupid and easily manipulated.
Under threat? Because it’s declining in popularity? Sounds like the will of the people if you ask me.
That and the least amount of their privilege being questioned/ignored/dethroned is what they hate the very most.
They don’t WANT people to have a right to choose to ignore their little book club. They don’t believe in this country, which is secular. They want xtian Shariah law to be the law of the land, which violates the very principles of this country.
…but I’m Jewish…
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It’s incredible that the U.S. is having this discussion again. What’s the point—bringing creationism back to schools or stoning prostitutes?
The Christian Right wants to make Christianity supreme and use it as the basis to take away rights of minorities including Muslims and LGBT. They want this as cover to take away sex ed and ban pornography and rap music and a long list of other stuff. Project 2025 laid it out pretty explicitly.
Watch some of the people they interview in The God Who Wasn’t There. One of the guys thinks you should be able to execute homosexuals. Just casually talks about it and you realize how the people that talked about the Nazis and the banality of evil, you are watching it.
Old-ish movie now, but if someone wants to get an idea of what we are dealing with, the interviews with some of the xtians are off the chart…if you don’t talk to xtians much, or live in a different country, or live in a more metro area that is not filled with this kind of delusion, this might be the first time someone comes across this kind of thing.
Trailer:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=73_IjNPmIEI
Full thing:
The point is replacing a somewhat transparent legal system with an arbitrary mess which makes everyone that isn’t exactly on the politically desired line feel uneasy all the time due to uncertainty of state actions.
- Cruisin’ down the center of a two way street
- Wonderin’ who is really in the driver’s seat
- Mindin’ my business along comes big brother
- Says, “Son, you better get on one side or the other.”
- I’m out on the border, I’m walkin’ the line
- Don’t you tell me 'bout your law and order
- I’m try’n’ to change this water to wine.
- After a hard day, I’m safe at home
- Foolin’ with my baby on the telephone
- Out of nowhere somebody cuts in
- Says, “Hmm, you in some trouble boy, we know where you’ve been.”
- I’m out on the border
- I thought this was a private line
- Don’t you tell me 'bout your law and order
- I’m try’n’ to change this water to wine
- Never mind your name, just give us your number
- Never mind your face, just show us your card
- And we wanna know whose wing are you under
- You better step to the right or we can make it hard
- I’m stuck on the border
- All I wanted was some peace of mind
- Don’t you tell me 'bout your law and order
- I’m try’n’ to change this water to wine
Yes.
well i do like my prostitutes stoned…
GOP politics and agenda are all about control. And religion historically has always been a means of control. Add a more aggressive form of indoctrination instead of education in schools so that you have young people just smart enough to profitable but brainwashed into not being free thinkers who go tribal against anyone against their tribe. Once you have people replacing morality with religion you can alter that religion to match what ever you want as a means of control.
As if the fucking Christian indoctrination wasn’t already bad enough here.
No. It’s the woke that was doing the indoctrination.
Now, against the wall so we can inspect your purity.
It is not going to teach Christianity but to end it.
You haven’t seen anything yet. They’re trying to build their own Saudi Arabia.
There is hope that the backlash from this will be brutal. It will take half a generation to get here. But overall Christianity is not gaining more net followers, especially not the asshole flavors that so vocally seem to represent it.
overall Christianity is not gaining more net followers, especially not the asshole flavors that so vocally seem to represent it.
Thank God for that.
A poor mans Dubai.
With just half of the cards and only one ugly male hooker called Krasnov.
Nah, first Amendment trump’s Trump, regardless of his bullshit, he’s a citizen. He can hold an opinion, just like that can be a dead fucking wrong opinion.
Power changes the equation. There is power behind his words. Take him at them and respond accordingly.
True enough!
The final form of conservative regimes always resorts to imposing religion and rigid moral codes in order to suffocate any form of dissent. Conservatives have been painting themselves as the “rebels” in their manufactured culture wars and the warriors of freeze peach, but in the end it always funnels back to this: Bible authoritarianism. They will use this argument for push for more censorship, information control, stripping away rights and oppressing every community they deem against their dogmas. The writing has been on the wall for a decade now.
I am hoping that America’s new implementation of this “Christian state” proves to be grotesque enough to serve as a warning for the rest of the world that even had the fleeting thought of going down this route. And I while am not very hopeful for Americans, I wish they find the strength to resist and revolt against this movement.
Meanwhile the vast majority of the leaders don’t give a shit about christianity except when it comes to elections and a means to an end. Anyone who tries to say Donald Fucking Trump is a christian is in a cult.
Bible authoritarianism.
Based on one very specific “interpretation” of the Bible that nobody is allowed to argue against.
We are going to be required to interpret the bible as justifying conservative power hierarchies, which requires ignoring surface level interpretations of most of the book.
The fascists have done a damn fine job of consolidating power in the church by grossing out most of the leftists into not attending, now the physical place designated for moral and ethical debate and community organization in society is dominated by the right.
If you are a self proclaimed leftist in America i implore you to get your butt into a church pew and integrate with their community, only tithe if you are confident the money is serving the community, and lead everywhere you can.
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This is the kind of separation needed!
Each separation of church and State? I was in the impression that the USA was a country that made people sweat on the bible to take a serment, that evocks God in its political speech and discours and even in its moto.
That comment is not sarcastic. I actually feel I miss something to understand the situation.
Swearing on the bible is a choice made by the individual being sworn in. The actual swearing is to the Constitution and the interests of the people. You could swear on a copy of The Origin of Species if you wanted.
The shit about having god on our money, motto, and pledge didn’t come about until the red scare of the 1950s. A way to separate the country from the godless communists, and one of the earliest violations of separation of church and state that I’m aware of.
