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We’ve done it, we got rid of another soulless right wing politician!
Peter Dutton first made his party lose this election and now also lost his own seat much like Pierre Pullover
We’ve still got a government that green-lit new coal power plants in it’s last term, screwed over the Aboriginal community with a poorly run referendum, and still doesn’t give a shit about climate change, but baby steps hey.
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This forward progress to the human race is brought to you by the color ORANGE.
We proudly demonstrated to the world the proper direction to go.
Our loss is your gain.
It must be stated that the Labor party here are anything but progressive. They are centre-right by the most recent assessment of their values and support a variety of cunts in toxic industries who fund their campaigns.
The libs (our very right wing major party) ran an exceptionally incompetent campaign, with Dutton as a key soulless idiot who can’t admit to mistakes when it hits him in the face. They had a bit of headwind from the global anti Trump sentiment, but it wasn’t like we were in the same situation like Canada.
Regionally we already ARE the 51st state of the USA, because we provide them with much needed Southern Hemisphere intelligence bases which Australians have no right to visit, and they are our protector against any major military threat in the region.
It’s a minor victory for any progressive minded person, as any mention of action on the climate emergency was stupifyingly absent from the entire campaign.
Ah yes that old chestnut. The ALP isn’t perfect so we shouldn’t vote at all. You do realise that we have to vote here in Australia so vibe based voter suppression techniques don’t really work here. The perfect shouldn’t be the enemy of the good.
Easy tiger. I voted yesterday. Pipe it down a notch.
it’s okay to criticise… i saw noting anywhere about anyone saying we shouldn’t vote, or even vote for ALP
It must be stated that the Labor party here are anything but progressive
I’m not sure how any of these things scream right wing:
- Nine out of 10 GP visits to be bulk-billed
- A rebate on household and small business power bills of $150
- First home buyers access to 5 per cent mortgage deposits
- Cutting a further 20 per cent off all student loans
- Delivering two “modest” tax cuts on July 1, 2026
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2025-03-28/election-2025-key-promises-labor-coalition/104717394
I’m not sure how support for universal healthcare, renewables and the party having a gender quota is ‘anything but progressive’ but sure, they’re centre right if your definition of right wing is anything right of the greens
Happy to have a bit of a debate over that. You can put them dead centre if that makes you feel better.
They certainly have some positives for the general public, and more so than the $.25 rebate promised by LNP. However, the majority of stuff they offer are stopgaps, instead of fixing the real underlying issues. High power bills aren’t going to go down with one off rebates. First home buyers 5% isn’t fixing the housing supply, or over demand, nor is it a solution to anyone over 40 who still hasn’t been able to buy, because a 5% deposit means you’ll pay for forever and then some. Same with tax cuts. Also Tax Cuts are right wing, though they are usually for the wealthy.
They are still all for really terrible corporate developments, they are still cosy with the coal lobby, they’re just smart enough to not bring a big beautiful lump of coal into parliament anymore. They won’t tax mega corporations fairly, they won’t do anything for the climate emergency, just boost green energy, without any serious international commitments or plans to reduce or go net zero in this term of this new government. None of that anywhere.
They tried one terribly worded referendum which probably blew the Aboriginal community a chance at some form of reconciliation for the next half a century, and there’s no more follow up. They have no solid plan for the housing crisis, just a few hand outs.
It’s not screaming right wing, and I didn’t say it was, and it certainly isn’t Trumpism, and our democracy is bar none one of the best and most secure in the world, but it isn’t progressive or left at all. It is fairly competent centrism, maintaining the status quo for corporate Australia, while minimally appeasing the plebeians, because thank fuck, it could have been so much worse. it is a shameful far cry from what we needed in order to really respond to the situation we’re in on the global timeline.
I’m a kiwi, so I only hear about Australia’s most significant developments, but even then, some of the claims you’re making are wrong.
the majority of stuff they offer are stopgaps, instead of fixing the real underlying issues.
They’re probably putting in stopgaps to make it less painful while the fixes to the underlying issues gain steam.
High power bills […]
This will probably be solved (or stop getting worse) as a side effect of Future Made in Australia investing in the Australian manufacture of renewable energy technologies, as Australian made versions are likely to be cheaper than global competitors (at least in Australia). It’s also important to note that rising energy prices is not just an Australian problem, considering NZ’s wholesale electricity price has risen >30% despite 80% of our electricity coming from renewables (and doesn’t have variable running costs).
[…] housing supply, or over demand, […]
This will probably be mitigated by the Housing Australia Future Fund as it is set up to be able to spend $500 million per year on housing in perpetuity without any additional funding. This means they could technically “sell” something like 2000 houses a year for free forever. On a more realistic note they could take a $50k loss on 10000 houses per year to help mitigate the housing supply problem.
[…] tax cuts.
It is technically possible to have tax cuts that benefit only those who are not already rolling in it, but those kinds of tax cuts are so uncommon you’re likely to see a unicorn before they happen. The tax cuts are probably going to be something like the tax cuts we saw over here where the only ones that benefit are the already very wealthy.
[…] they are still cosy with the coal lobby, […]
I was under the impression that they were majorly funded by the unions. Considering this winge piece complains about the mining industry paying 5x more in tax than they used to and makes the misleading insinuation that it is paying the majority of Australia’s tax share, I’d say that they’re probably not funded by the mining lobby. (Values from the Australian Treasury suggest that they’re paying <10% of the total tax income)
[…] they won’t do anything for the climate emergency [and they don’t have any] plans to reduce or go net zero in this term of this new government.
They appear to have this net zero plan I found on a .gov.au website? I notice it doesn’t target net zero within the next 3 years because that’s simply impossible. The climate action tracker suggests that Australia is doing better than NZ in terms of climate policy, especially considering our action is considered “highly insufficient.”
You make the claim that it isn’t progressive, but over here it certainly would be. Either way, we can still celebrate that it isn’t Trumpism.
ty mate, amazing response
We’re in the land of Democrats sucking on billionaires’ toes and Republican Nazis. There are very few things that aren’t left of our politics.
Albo himself is fairly progressive, but has been pushed further to the right by Labor.
Labor’s policies over time have become increasingly more conservative. Yes, they still have some progressive policies, but all of the things you’ve listed are a direct response to one issue that a lot of voters are struggling with - cost of living.
Telling people that they’ll be more financially secure is a no-brainer for any political party, regardless of ideology.
For more on Labor’s shift to the right: https://socialjusticeaustralia.com.au/labor-partys-shift-to-right/
Also is on the right, he’s part of the Right faction within labor and was one of the ‘faceless men’ that removed our best PM in living memory, Kevin Rudd.
I’m a huge Rudd fan but you have to admit he wasn’t progressive. The man ran on a technocrat platform and was just as in favour of the status quo’s policies as Gillard. He wasn’t exactly a Burnie firebrand
- First home buyers access to 5 per cent mortgage deposits
Damn. This one is pretty good. I wish Canada did this.
Australian housing market is possibly even more fucked up than ours is FYI
I had to look it up because we’re already able to get a mortgage with 5% down, this plan is to not require mortgage insurance on a 5% down payment loan.
- Nine out of 10 GP visits to be bulk-billed
Working in a GP practice. The deal they are offering to GP’s are pretty bad and the only ones taking the offer is the 5minute doctors
- Delivering two “modest” tax cuts on July 1, 2026
Lets hope it is not just to the wealthy
The ALP are hardly Whitlam-style socialists, but they’re somewhat more progressive than UK Labour, in that they at least purport to be progressive, rather than banking their capital, rewarding donors and distracting the public with culture wars inherited from the Tories.
Mind you, they do most of that when the Greens hold their feet to the fire. With Labor having a lower house majority, it will depend on the Senate to force them to do the right thing.
It must be stated that the Labor party here are anything but progressive.
Coming from a Lemming this means less than nothing.
Whiskey Tango Foxtrot mate?!?
The Canadian cons didn’t actually boot Polievre, instead they’re giving him an easy to win riding and a brand new seat in parliament so he can stay on. Which probably means he’ll stick around and win the next election. I hate it.
Edit: autocorrect
I said it a couple days ago that this election reminded me of our 2020 election and what followed. Center-right liberals are only good at driving people away since all they do is tell you what you want to hear and then go behind your back and do the exact opposite. It’s just diet Republicanism here in the US and sounds like it’s very similar abroad. Nobody likes diet Republicanism.
Yeah. I was really looking forward to not worrying about the CBC being shuttered. No such luck.
I dunno, I’d like to try to be hopeful. The NDP has a real shot to completely rebrand and come back swinging. Convince Charlie Angus to come out of retirement and lead the party, and spend the next however-long-this-term-lasts rebuilding support. I can’t think of a better outcome than having to Sophie’s Choice between Carney and Angus. Imagine having to choose between 2 legitimately good party leaders.
The deep mind 3D chess move to make here would be to found a better conservative party and split the conservative vote.
The good news is that the riding he has to run in is incredibly rural. He’s going to hate it.
Poilievre is a city boy. He grew up in the Calgary suburbs. Then he moved to Ottawa to become an MP. The only job he’s ever had involving physical exertion is when he was a paperboy as a kid. Now he’s going to have to spend some time in his new riding surrounded by farmers. The biggest “city” there has a population under 20k. Everything else is towns, villages and hamlets. Assuming he buys a house in Camrose, if he wants Thai food, he’ll have to drive over an hour to get to Edmonton.
Maybe because the conservatives have such an overwhelming majority in Battle River - Crowfoot, they won’t care that he’s a carpetbagger and he won’t have to put much effort in there. But, I think eventually he’ll have to spend some time in his riding, and it will be a major culture clash.
A lot of farmers are just rich guys, basically, but smug on top of it because of the tough image they have. The ones that own land aren’t the ones that do the work, and the work that people who aren’t immigrants do tends to be the sitting in a cab kind. There’s not a lot of people between 20 and 45 here in rural Alberta anyway. The Hutterites are an obvious exception, but they don’t vote anyway.
From what I’ve seen they really liked Kurek, are mad Poilievre is an outsider, and doubly mad because he’s an Ontario city type, but it’s nothing a firm handshake and some rabble-rousing won’t smooth over. He might get only 70%
Wait what? Source please
Not op but https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/poilievre-to-run-in-alberta-byelection-1.7525104
Basically he asked a con in the highest % of con votes to step down to trigger a by-election. It’s an area where the other parties don’t even campaign, they just hand it to the cons.
There are already talks of “liberals rigged the election” so that he can deflect and not make it a personal failing that he lost a riding that’s historically always been conservative and lost a 25 point lead in the polls in a few months.
What even is the point of “representing your district” if they could just nominate a random person from across the country that never before stepped foot in that district?
Welcome to Canadian Parliamentary politics, where every good step forward has an equal and opposite step backwards.
While I still prefer it to the alternative system to the south; where it’s all bad steps. I’d be lying if I said our own system was perfect by any means.
Carney could deny the by-election or at least delay it, but that’d cause conservative tears so he’s avoiding the drama.
Oh god… We had Jacinta Pryce (extreme right winger in Oz) try the same here tonight. How do they expect this to work? I suppose because it worked for Diaper Don…
Imagine running a campaign so terrible that you lose your own riding, then running off to a province on the other side of the country to weasel your way back in.
It’s about 3 seconds of googling to find out that there will be byelection in Battle River-Crowfoot, which went 81.8% in favour of the Conservative candidate. Polievre will run there, get swept in, and pretend that he represents Canadians.
Telling people to google stuff is so fcking reddit mate.
Thanks for providing context.
Learn to search shit your self, or get off the internet.
No one owes you anything.
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The burden of proof lies with the person making the claim. Whether or not something is easily confirmable
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then it should have been very easy for you to post a source instead of arguing about it
Yes, but if we all did that there’d be no conversation here.
I don’t think a comment asking for a source is very interesting conversation.
I don’t think a comment stating that you don’t think a comment asking for a source is very interesting conversation is very interesting conversation, yet here we are.
Only if you respond with a link and no explanation.
What would you prefer? No sources? Talking only about insubstantial things that don’t need them? Obviously you’re here to talk about something.
Sorry, didn’t check back until now, but looks like it got sourced in the meantime.
Ya, and also the conservatives lost by 1% of the popular vote, and had excellent numbers overall. I really wish we kicked them to the curb, but that’s hardly the case. Sounds like Australia did a much better job.
That’s exactly what makes me believe they will win next time with little effort. Unless the LPC delivers big, people are not going to vote “anything but conservative” again.
If Carney is smart, he actually pushes for proportional representation. It would save the liberals next election, all the smaller parties would be on board, and even if he gets ousted after, he would have secured his place in the history books (not sure how susceptible he is to appeals to his vanity…)
We have a basic rule that the headline must match the article. Current headline reads:
“Peter Dutton to leave Coalition leaderless, conceding he has lost his seat of Dickson”
I’ll give you a fair shot to correct it before just removing it.
Just remove it.
People who do this shit are actively making this place worse.
Lol “the people actually making content are the problem” y’all are fucking clowns.
Can we just be loose with the moderation while the “top” posts don’t even get 2k upvotes.
It gave lemmy content, it led to engaging discussions, who tf cares if the title is bad.
Jesus Christ I don’t understand this mentality
You’ve made 3 posts in 2 years, op contributed to more fediverse in a day than you did in two years.
You really want to make this place better, then quit your bitchin or contribute more and your bitchin will be more understandable
Editorialized titles distract from the content. There’s enough crazy ass shit happening globally that the added sensationalism isn’t necessary.
Either way, maybe calm down a bit lmao.
maybe calm down a bit
While my tone wasn’t cordial it also wasn’t ALL CAPS SAYING KYS
You may be projecting a bit?
Regardless I’ve seen this garbage take on lemmy enough that I’m not going to politely point out the fault. I’ll check their Lemmy contributions and call them fucking clowns if they are saying silly shit like “remove content me no likey for pendantic reasons” while contributing nothing to posts.
It’s alotta reddit entitlement and I will attempt to call it out when i see it and I’m not going to be pleasant about it
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If you take an article title directly from a local newspaper and post it verbatim on World News, nobody will know what the fuck it’s about and regardless of its content, it won’t see the light of day. It’s important that the article title is relevant to the audience.
Okay, provided and example of this.
Jfc, it’s like I’m talking to kids lol.
Having civilized discourse on a topic is not childish. I’m sorry you feel that way.
At your service.
That’s what I thought about you when I read your message.
Man fuck em, thank you for adding to the fediverse OP! You should look at non .world communities. .world is the more shitty instance filled with “um actually…” Style users and mods
Done. Only because I respect you.
It doesn’t make sense that rule. But you’ll disagree anyway and there’s never a chance of winning a mod argument anyway.
The article headline you want is pointless and meaningless to the 99% of the world who visits this.
Peter Dutton to leave Coalition leaderless, conceding he has lost his seat of Dickson
I added context and a little bit of juice to it so it would make for a better headline for non-Australians. Did I add some anti Trump sentiment? Sure. Did that misconstrue the content of the article? No.
I understand the current rule makes it easy to mod the place, but it also means you don’t let the OP add context for Lemmy. The rule should be: you can’t misconstrue the content of the article.
Anyway, I appreciate all you mods do and I respect the rules that are in place.
I disagree.
Not modifying headings is a fairly universal rule.
Making it “easier to mod” is an understatement. If you let people “adapt titles to be more suitable for lemmy” or whatever you did, then you’ll spend all day having arguments about what adoptions are appropriate. It’s unworkable with volunteer mods.
It’s so pathetic that the top comment chain is discussing this pedantic issue instead of the actual article. Thank god for this moderation or my experience may have been slightly degraded.
It’s a pretty fundamental aspect of content aggregators. If posters editorialise the articles they post it becomes an echochamber for a very confined range of opinions.
Counterpoint. I posted an article from the Australian national broadcaster. They have their flaws but they aint breitbart.
While I sensationalised the title and added my 2 cents in the original OP I cross posted to this community, I linked to a nice source and created a more world context friendly title, yet far from disingenuous click bait.
The upvotes and the comments are largely based on that.
What this rule is currently accomplishing:
- people will just post sensationalist sources with clickbaity titles and questionable journalism
- or people will create sensationalist titles for neutral higher quality sources and then the top comment is always going to be about this level of virtue signalling.
What’s the point of a community if these are the rules? You’re asking for bad sources and at best or you’re just a comment section provider for legacy media.
Why has everyone started saying “counterpoint” all of a sudden. Every comment is a counterpoint.
Counterpoint. Hopefully people aren’t idiots that upvote sensational headlines.
Counterpoint. Everything I already said.
Counterpoint. You could make your own community where people sensationalise headlines.
Counterpoint: I haven’t noticed that being a trend until this thread.
Didn’t say moderation isn’t necessary, it is. What I said is it’s sad the top comment chain is about moderation.
I opened this post to read comments out of curiosity, I still don’t even know the context of this article because the top comment is about the title which I find sad.
If only there was some way to determine which content was shown on your device.
Like when there’s too much content to show at once, maybe it could be organised in a tall “page” and you could jump around to read different comments.
Although it would be tall enough it’s more like a scroll I guess. You could “zoom” up or down the scroll and read those comments you found interesting or engaging.
Actually, maybe you could get users to promote those comments they found most interesting and demote others.
It’s a shame nothing like this exists.
If only there was some way to determine which content was shown on your device.
Not really sure how to filter posts whose top comment is regarding moderation, pretty damn specific filter. Then again your comment is a large giant nothing burger that continues to ignore the point I’m attempting to emphasize so I don’t think you really thought it through in the first place.
Thanks @[email protected] ! I know the rules are a pain, but really it helps prevent shitposting. Imagine coming into a community and just seeing variations on “xxx is a dumbass/shithead/etc. etc.” all the way down. :)
All good. Thanks for all you do around here!
Your original headline was better. New one makes no sense to me M
I’m curious what your headline orginally was
You can see it in the crosspost
Ty! Makes a bit more sense as it does give context. The ‘booting to the curb’ was a bit editorialized. But if like me, you have no idea who Dutton and Dickson are it’s a lot clearer.
It’s also factually incorrect. While Poilievre lost his seat, he’s staying on as leader and attempting to win another in a by-election.
So he isn’t really booted to the curb because his party kept him. Or least for today, they’re supposed to hold a secret vote tomorrow.
WWIII teams are forming up
Hopefully more like Cold War II. And honestly, Australia’s in a pickle there - most other democracies are pretty damn far away from it. They might try to do the Finland thing instead.
Hoping must work better outside the US, all it got me was a government composed of nazi terrorists.
The way you phrased that makes it sound like there’s something I should personally do to make sure an inevitable conflict stays cold. If you have an idea, I’m all ears.
Anyway, hopefully Canada will open up asylum to Americans soon, in case things get really bad.
I really hope they do, but I feel like nobody is going to take American refugees until mass atrocities are well underway
Hey, we took in your draft dodgers. The main thing would be to not mess up our housing supply further. In any case, I doubt the safe third country agreement would withstand a court challenge at this point.
It’s going to be trans people who would be eligible first, probably.
It’s going to be so weird helping the Germans defeat Nazi America
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You know it’s going to make more sense on some level, though. We love talking shit about America, we’ve just never been able to channel it anywhere.
(Although if you’re closer to the border it’s probably different)
Same here (said the American)
Lol
Don’t worry, they are turning nazi too
Remember that the ultimate enemy are the Sociopathic Oligarchs, and their Corporations. They have nearly unlimited finances, so they have to be resisted in other ways.
A very nice change of recent trends across the world
Majority Labor and Potato lost his seat, blessed be the aussies.
Mot really, Labor did nothing over the last 3 years and get rewarded for that as well as Greens losing a few seats.
Best case scenario was minority Labor gov shared with the Greens.
The massive infrastructure project 5 minutes from my house is not nothing. I’m very happy Labour are putting my taxes towards constructing the nation.
gee i guess the fact that we scored 2nd in the world on the IMF balanced budgets globally is nothing! if you don’t win you’re a loser
Agreed but let’s be honest, that would’ve relied on people voting for their best interests and, as always, Australians generally vote governments out. The safest way to vote out Liberal is to vote Labor and, so, we have a majority.
Yes, the Labor Party have demonstrated they’re inadequate to solve our ongoing crises. The Greens appear to have kept their strong crossbench position in the senate so I can’t be too disappointed.
Almost the exact playbook as in Canada. Except it’s a close minority here. But the Maple Maggot, after losing his own seat, has decided to take over another MP’s seat in a by-election.
I know the chances are very, very slim, but I’d love to see the people of Battle-River-Crowfoot vote ABC and make that little weiner lose again.
There are so many hilarious opportunities with this by-election.
-91 candidates run and he comes in 91st
-Trudeau also runs there and wins
-He runs, loses, and repeats the process until the Liberals have a majority
The riding he’s chosen to run in is one of the most conservative in the country. The guy who’s stepping down won something like 80% of the vote.
But, the Liberals should run someone who actually lives in that riding and keeps reminding the voters there that Poilievre doesn’t live there and doesn’t know anything about his new riding. It won’t be enough to keep him from winning this time, but there’s a chance that over time it will start to matter to voters that their MP doesn’t live there and knows nothing about their riding.
Dude I’m clearly not serious with that comment and am just writing a sitcom in my head
Trudeau might be the first candidate to ever achieve a negative number of votes if he ran in Crowfoot.
Ok that’d be hilarious too 🤣
He runs, loses, and repeats the process until the Liberals have a majority
No repetition necessary. The Liberals are one seat away from a majority.
Foreign elections being won based on real opposition to Trump and those that style themselves after him. Democrats can do this, but it means they would have to stop trying to make deals with nazis.
L + rato
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Congratulations Australians!
Well done. The the rest of the world has learned from the Trump catastrophe in the US.
This is so good to hear. At least some good is coming out of my country being completely fucking destroyed.
Hell yeah who’s next? I need some more good news. Getting a literal ulcer over here…
Some good news, ulcers can usually be treated with a simple round of antibiotics.
I will refrain from finishing this thought in order to keep it good news
Good!! Some hope for this world is left.
🇨🇦🤝🇦🇺
As an American working on moving to Australia this was great news to wake up to!
Make sure you open a Seattle style teriyaki joint there!
Don’t think I haven’t thought about it! I joke with my wife I’m going to open Cascadia Teriyaki in Australia and introduce them to Seattle style Teriyaki and Marionberry pie.
