Back in January Microsoft encrypted all my hard drives without saying anything. I was playing around with a dual boot yesterday and somehow aggravated Secureboot. So my C: panicked and required a 40 character key to unlock.
Your key is backed up to the Microsoft account associated with your install. Which is considerate to the hackers. (and saved me from a re-install) But if you’ve got an unactivated copy, local account, or don’t know your M$ account credentials, your boned.
Control Panel > System Security > Bitlocker Encryption.
BTW, I was aware that M$ was doing this and even made fun of the effected users. Karma.
All in the name of national security *wink
Thank you for the word of warning. Does this affect Windows 10 as well?
Might be, so better check like this user did:
Just checked my wife’s laptop. Local account, secure boot off, windows 10. It had a message telling me to setup a microsoft account to ‘finish encrypting the device’. I clicked turn off, and it’s currently decrypting the hard drive. Blech.
Does this affect Windows 10 as well
IDK. 10 has bitlocker, so I’d check.
I just checked and it is not on by default.
In your region and device
I still don’t understand why there is no other mainstream os in competition alongside MS except IOs, I wouldn’t call Linux mainstream of course, don’t you think that’s a bit weird?!
no, most users just dont want to put in any work in learning something new
Microsoft is almost good as dead. These days, Linux takes just as much maintenance as XP used to. They’ve got maybe 5 years left until laptops start shipping with alternatives to Windows. My bet is it’s going to be SteamOS.
Microsoft is thriving and will continue to do so, just probably on machines running Linux.
They get paid $$ per month per employee by most businesses in the developed world.
There is a mature alternative to desktop Windows now. But there isn’t for AD, Azure, Exchange, Kerberos and M365.My bad, I meant their consumer grade stuff.
I would generally agree with you on their cloud/server solutions. However, I do think AWS will get there some day.
Maybe SteamOS Lite if the device doesn’t have a proper GPU.
iGPUs are more than enough to play most indie games.
Even older dGPUs like the R9 270/270X or 280/280X, hell, even the R9 290/290X or 390/390X (R9 390/390X is just a faster 290/290X which ships with 8GB VRAM as standard issue), while admittedly pushing it a little, will also work fine for most indie titles and even truly ancient (as in DX9-era and earlier, think stuff like Silent Hill 2 which launched in 2002 for the PC) AAA stuff, you’ll just need to manually enable a compatibility toggle for GCN1 or GCN2 cards to work with AMDGPU in DIY distros like Arch or Gentoo while last time I thought some prebuilt distros like Fedora enabled it by default.
These are the compatibility toggles you’ll need to set in kernel parameters for GCN1 and GCN2 cards to work with AMDGPU if they’re not set already. GCN3 and newer natively supports AMDGPU without needing said toggles.
amdgpu.si_support=1 amdgpu.cik_support=1
I meant the Intel integrated ones.
There are already big brands offering laptops with linux in lieu of windows.
I have way less maintenance to do than on my old XP machine.
And considering all the shenanigans Microsoft does starting with 10, I guess this still holds up.
MS abused its monopoly in the 90s. The Clinton administration was too lenient, then the Bush admin kowtowed completely. Now, there’s largely no chance for another operating system to compete.
Why so! and what Clinton and Bush have to do with an operating system that is used globally!? I think you overestimate MS
Right wing politicians will always be in favour of big corporations, they pay good money
And big corportations will always pay good money, so long as it makes/saves them money in the future
I’m not sure how to explain the concept of walled gardens to people who grew up with four websites. In the 90s, most software was “shareware”, you could try it out for as long as you wanted, but businesses were expected to buy licenses.
MS used it’s dominant operating system to drive web browser competitors out of business. This is illegal. The whole concept of capitalism is built around competition, but MS used it’s power to stifle ’ innovation. The Clinton administration beat MS in court, then the Bush Administration dropped the case before the appeal was heard. If they hadn’t done that, instead had broken up Google, Meta, Apple, and the lot of them, the world would be a lot different now.
If you don’t just look at desktop computers, GNU/Linux and Android/Linux are the most used operating systems in the world (not sure which is in the lead).
If you look only at desktop computers, the most used OS is Minix, which is installed on most Intel CPUs and motherbords.
This is gonna happen to a lot more people with their password change.
Why do you have to use there? Nothing a cater. You can’t use Google or open source. I don’t get it. They suck.
Like I need more spyware on my phone.
What about people with landlines? Older people.
So they’re going to lose a huge market share when they force everybody to throw away their computer to run Windows 11.
I mean you can write your Bitlocker key down and store it safely or put it somewhere else safe… Lol
The main problem here is Bitlocker is being turned on by default on fresh 24H2 installs, most people that don’t know how to bypass the online account requirement are making burner Microsoft accounts (Boomers), therefore do not know the credentials in 3-4 years when their computer needs a repair.
This was the exact same situation I experienced with my old Surface 6. Started to look into Linux firmware on Surface devices and deactivated secure boot because it wouldn’t boot Ventoy at all and do nothing, so I figured to try again with no secure boot. It still didn’t work so I turned it on again, but was then greeted with this Bitlocker screen which I didn’t even know it had activated up until this point. I set up a local account so I had no key to reset or something and was literally not able to do anything besides reinstalling the entire system.
Luckily I had nothing important on it lol
Weirdly the activation was saved on the MS servers so I didn’t need to do that again at least (was a preinstalled system so I wouldn’t have known the activation key anyways, I thought “When it doesn’t work I’ll switch to Linux fully because I’m not paying for that garbage system”).
After I updated Ventoy I was able to boot again even with secure boot on, there seems to have been an issue with that specific version.
I had Windows on my device since I bought it (around 2018) only upgraded to W11. It never mentioned anything about Bitlocker before this incident so if I had important stuff on it it would have been so over. Well, never save important files on Windows without backup is what I got out of it
This caused me literally bigger problems than my switch to Arch Linux after having only used Windows the entire time xD
Upvote for a acknowledging karma
Windows 10 or 11?
They also do spyware. They just renamed it “AI.”
and also Recall
Can you remind me what that “recall” is?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microsoft_Recall
Basically takes screenshots and stores them, then scans them and makes the text searchable. There’s been a bit of controversy over it lately and how it deals with PII/PHI.
It logs literally everything you do with screenshots, then sends it to M$ despite their assurances that it would be local only.
Super invasive!
Thanks, it was hard to recall
I’m not aware of them uploading the screenshotted data, not for now anyways.
The data is indexed and parsed somehow. The last report on it that I saw had a picture of a semi-famous person be properly indexed under the person’s name, despite it being a picture that was taken by the person talking about recall, which means the image was not public. Whatever recall was doing, it analyzed the picture, and that’s probably not a local process.
It takes a screenshot every five seconds and runs an LLM over it to extract text. Then there’s a UI where you can query it for what you did in the past.
It came under fire when they wanted to introduce it last year, because it stored all that data on your disk in unencrypted form. Meaning if anyone manages to run malicious code on your system, they don’t need to do the collecting themselves anymore, but can rather just send off any screenshotted passwords or whatever other secret things you might’ve been doing on your PC at any point in time. In particular, Microsoft had claimed that the data would be encrypted and it wasn’t. Didn’t even need special permissions to access it.
No idea, if they fixed the encryption now, or if this is just a case of the shitstorm having died down, so they roll it out now. But yeah, even with encryption, the implications aren’t great. If your parents or boss or law enforcement want to know what you were doing on your PC, they now have an exact history. And Microsoft could still change their mind and decide to upload all your data at any point in the future.
Doesn’t that take a ton of CPU/Memory?
Yeah, good question. I imagine the screenshotting itself is largely negligible, although obviously not free either. I don’t know when the LLM gets to do its job. Theoretically, it could be delayed until some point where there’s not much going on on your PC.
At some point, Microsoft wanted to roll out these AI features only on PCs which have an NPU, which is basically an additional CPU with a different architecture optimized for pattern recognition and such. I don’t know, if they still hold onto that requirement, but it would mean that it wouldn’t hog your CPU at least.
They have been somewhat desperate to roll out Recall, because it was the only semi-useful out of a handful of features that they came up with to somehow integrate AI into Windows. So, that’s why I’m never quite sure, what requirements they’re still holding onto.
Open your mind!
Rectal is what it’s called I believe?
Microsoft Rectal
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My god it’s all true 🤯
Did they change it from “telemetry” to AI now?
Unless the “telemetry” has been removed, shouldnt there be “added extra” instead of “renamed”?
Telemetry is exclusively for internal data collection and the inevitable sale of it. Recall is also for data collection but provides a user interface to access a slice of that data under the guise of the whole thing being a “feature”.
Telemetry isnt always collected to be sold. Open source projects often collect crash data to improve the software
Sure, but we’re talking about Microsoft here. When was the last time they actually improved any of their software?
They added windows explorer tabs a couple years ago. Does that count?
I think they renamed everything to copilot
Office365 is now Copilot 365
Windows is still around???
yes, I have to use it at work - and it’s awful.
“do not redeem!” - microsoft, probably
Could you elaborate?
If you encrypted your disk/partition, the lock is stored in the luks header. But if that one is broken, you cant decrypt anything even if you remember your key and all data is lost.
Thanks!
As I understand it this shouldn’t concern me if my backups are full disk images via Clonezilla, as those should already include the LUKS header, correct?Correct.
Thanks!
🤔 shit… you right
I’ve been preaching about this for a while. Many modern systems are getting bitlocker turned on by default.
If your system gets messed up, or simply won’t start because of some security vendors bad update, goodbye data. You need the recovery key, and if you don’t have it, you’ll never see your bits the the correct order again.
You know, this is actually one Windows decision I agree with. Encryption should be default, especially on portable devices like laptops. For an OS aimed at people who want to use their computers, rather than understand them, you have to choose an encryption that works by default for most of your non-tech-savvy users.
If they want their data truly in their own hands, or full control, use Linux.
If they want to use Windows, but not rely on a Microsoft account for recovery, get the bitlocker recovery key and write it down (which you can do).
But I think this looks like a sane default.
(Full disclosure, I don’t use Windows for anything I care about!)
Would be fine. The problem is, Microsoft is encrypting drives and not telling anybody about it. Average users have no clue what any of this is and are completely unaware they need to create a passphrase for safe keeping.
Fair point.
Respectfully, hard disagree and terrible take. I work in IT, and your stance only makes sense if people have some tech knowledge. Which is never going to happen for the average person.
I can’t tell you how many older people I’ve had to tell that I can’t save their grandkids first pics because of bitlocker
That still happens without bitlocker. Computers are dropped. Facebook passwords are forgotten.
I acknowledge automatic encryption is going to make some more cases of lost data, but, with respect, I think the benefit of making fewer cases of stolen data is worth it. I agree with the other commenter that users should be made aware of it more clearly.
Also, as much as I hate the push to Microsoft accounts, I have to admit it helps mitigate this problem: if all ordinary users have an account looking after their master keys, then they can turn to that when they forget their login password etc. but the opportunistic thief on the train can’t (as easily). Not every grandma has a Millennial relative at hand to boot Linux to rescue files off her HDD. And for those who don’t like to trust their master keys to Microsoft/Apple/Google? There’s Linux. And external backups. And saving your password somewhere safe.
How many has it protected though? Maybe 2? It’s not logical to ask the user if you want to take over their data
The push to Microsoft accounts? More people, I expect, than I’d care to admit.
Locked out recoveries, yes, but I am fairly certain that encrypting data you don’t own without notifying is some kind of crime
Not nearly as much. If someone breaks their motherboard in half but the hard drive is okay, I can get their data unless they have bitlocker. Microsoft is encrypting drives and storing the keys in the TPM only, and it is insane. My grandma doesn’t have state secrets on her laptop, she doesn’t need encryption.
So, your grandma doesn’t need encryption. She might not need a seatbelt either. But it’s not only state secrets that are worth protecting. Does she have internet banking, with cookies stored in her browser? But many people do, and it’s either encryption for everyone, or for (almost) no one.
Hah is there a rash of nursing home break ins that I’m unaware of? I’m in the field, the way that is happening is phishing with fake ads and emails
Very few people are breaking into a laptop for cookies, it’s tremendous amounts of work, and is usually targeted. Motherboards die all the time, and take the TPM with them
Hah is there a rash of nursing home break ins that I’m unaware of?
I mean, not Windows user lives in a nursing home. I wish! But some lose laptops on the train, and some even throw their computers away!
Sure, most of the risk is remote through emails etc. Maybe you’re right. Maybe the balance is better the other way round: let all Windows Home users’ computers stay unencryptedv at rest, and keep encryption for Pro users. I grew up with a high focus on security; maybe I’m paranoid.
But phones are all encrypted these days. Obviously they’re more mobile and at more risk, but that suggests to me that laptops are subject to similar, if smaller, risks.
But wtf, all thiefs want is the device, why do they want photos of her grandson?
I get it, but as someone who has had to tell little old ladies their data is fucked, I am beyond pissed at Microsoft’s implementation. They should not be encrypting data without forcing lay people to have backup codes printed or on a flash drive or something.
They’re doing this because they want to force people to her Microsoft accounts, probably just to collect more data.
And for the record, I am very pro encryption The half assed way of encrypting even if there isn’t a Microsoft account connected and therefore no way to save keys somewhere is completely unacceptable
Meanwhile in Linux with luls, which I’ve had since a pre-pre-pre version somewhere back in the early 2000’s, I can have multiple keys, all works like sunshine, never had problems.
On windows… So we work with highly sensitive data, and ever since I came in I thought it insane that people working remote don’t have that highly sensitive data encrypted. We can’t switch Linux yet, so okay, we go for BitLocker.
Boy oh boy oh boy was that a mistake.
50 remote users, 5 get encrypted devices with BitLocker as a trial and within a month, 3 of them already got locked up permanently because apparently it’ll pwrma lock itself after x amounts of invalid passwords which is just incredibly stupid. But don’t worry, there is a backup key! Yeah, that is lie 48 characters that we’d had to pass by phone and they have to type it flawlessly.
Suffice to say, the remote users will be running Linux soon, like it or not.
hey, at least it tells you if you put in a typo every few chars.
apparently it’ll pwrma lock itself after x amounts of invalid passwords which is just incredibly stupid. But don’t worry, there is a backup key! Yeah, that is lie
If you only used TPM for bitlocker with no pre-boot authentication or something similar, it’s possible that you had the “MaxDevicePasswordFailedAttempts” policy configured. Apparently that is configured by default if you use the security baseline.
IMO it makes a lot of sense to lockdown and require bitlocker recovery if there has been a few failed attempts.
We use bitlocker on probably over 1000 devices I don’t believe we had any substantial issues with it. Of course users occasionally get locked out, but that should be planned for and a process should be in place to help them.
I suggest deploying windows hello or smart cards to reduce the dependency on passwords. Window hello for business is especially great since it’s free, secure and way easier and faster for users to use, especially if your devices have fingerprint readers or face recognition. I wish Linux and MacOS had anything as useful as Windows Hello.
Yeah I’m with you. I also manage about 800 devices at my current role and I’ve never had any major issues with BitLocker.
I’m tempted to think they’re just lying but that’s a little mean. Maybe they just didn’t know? I don’t know but BitLocker is not the problem here.
I suggest we move all our machines over to Linux, which is the actual plan. Fuck everything about windows
Also, permanently locking a device after x failed attempts is just plain silly, security wise. You know I can take that drive out and just try to brute force it a million times per second without that silly rule being in my way, right? It’s an anti security pattern similar to requiring password changes every week, it’s a bad idea.
It’s not permanently locked though.
Apparently it’s not configured like that by default and even if it is, just configure it differently if you want a different behaviour ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Moving over to Linux is a great idea, if you have found a good way to manage them and your users are accepting.
Either way, I have never noticed this issue and we manage hundreds of Windows computers
You know I can take that drive out and just try to brute force it a million times per second without that silly rule being in my way, right? It’s an anti security pattern similar to requiring password changes every week, it’s a bad idea.
Nah, not really. I get what you mean, but the feature is obviously intended to lock the drive after a few failed logins because the user’s password is generally way less secure than the bitlocker recovery key/encryption key. Brute forcing a 48 digit key is practically impossible while brute forcing a user’s password is child’s play in comparison.
So in my opinion it sounds like a pretty good idea to include that feature in the security baseline. It’s not really Microsoft’s fault that you pushed out security baseline settings without checking what they do first. But since you actually did some testing with bitlocker, the impact wasn’t that bad. So just adjust or disable the feature and move on.
Exactly. We’ll switch to Linux, finally have security and dependable devices, and then we’ll move on
Just curious, what management software are you gonna use?
P.S good luck configuring Linux if you can’t even manage bitlocker.
pass by phone
That’s a ticket I would go and overnight mail a pre configured IP KVM
Yeah, that is lie 48 characters that we’d had to pass by phone and they have to type it flawlessly.
Wouldn’t be so bad if everyone knew their Alpha Bravo Charlies
My one talent: alpha bravo charlie delta echo foxtrot golf hotel India Juliet kilo Lima mike November Oscar papa Quebec Romeo Sierra tango uniform Victor whiskey x-ray Yankee Zulu, typed using voice to text
You have a point. But Bitlocker recovery keys are all numeric. Really not all that hard to translate over the phone. Typically a secure email is what we use to deliver since 99% of employees also have email on their mobile devices.
The pinnacle of secure data is cryptographically sealed with a key in the inbox
Haha. You aren’t wrong. But just rotate the key after. Also, there are plenty of secure delivery methods and encrypted delivery options.
It’s best to generate a key with as many 420 69 in a row so you can memorise it
Alpha bravo charlie Delta echo foxtrot golf hotel Juliet Lima kilo Manhattan November Ovaltine Papa Quebec Romeo Sierra Tatooine uniform Victor wet ass pussy x-ray yokai Zelda
I’m a little fuzzy on some of them…
