This won’t stop until the job becomes too dangerous for them to do.
So they build an infrastructure, hire a lot of people, get the legal cover they need, deport millions…
Then they have this whole process ready to go with no immigrants left to deport.
Do you think it all gets shut down? Detention centers closed, ICE agents fired, etc?
Or will they feed the new machine with other groups? LGBT? Muslims? Political opponents?
Just food for thought.
In a different part of the world, about 90 years ago, dealing with undesirable people started with prototyping the framework on the weakest individuals.
People with mental disabilities would be shipped to the other end of the country, and there be gassed. Those gassings were in some cases proof of concept for the use of various gasses later on.
I do see the similarities. But I don’t believe that the US administration is actively exterminating immigrants. But “at least they’re not genocidal” is a pretty low fucking bar to clear. And I’m not sure that we’ve seen it all yet.
If I was living in the US, I’d get out ASAP. I mean sell my house, even at loss, and GTFO. If being latino with a knuckle tattoo will get you shipped to an El Salvadorian torture prison, what will happen when you post a comment about Trumpaloompa?
When did the German population learn about the gassing?
If you lived near one of the camps, you 100% knew.
Many of them literally called it the German equivalent of ‘fake news’ after Hitler spent many years persecuting the independent press, which he and Himmler would smear with the derogative term ‘Lügenpresse’.
One of the many reasons that Eisenhower forced Germans from towns nearby to tour the camps, and had army documenters and media film the camps to later force adult German citizens to watch while under occupation. Many of them simply chose to believe the obvious lies, and ignore all the evidence they’d seen - it was easier than the awful truth.
Hitler’s original plan was to deport all the Jews. Extermination then came as a matter of practicability. Don’t let it fool you, this absolutely checks out, they’re laying the groundwork for genocide.
“We don’t have to show you anything,” one agent reportedly shot back when asked for ID or a warrant.
“The crowd was unruly,” police said in a statement, claiming several individuals “put their hands on federal agents and Worcester officers.”
There’s no reason to believe that they’re federal agents if they refuse to show ID. And there’s no law against putting your hands on gang members kidnapping one of your neighbors while impersonating federal agents. These dipshits are out of control and fucking stupid.
I’m just pleading for them to do this to the wrong set of people who take 2A seriously.
Extremely surprising that it didn’t happen yet.
Liberals in America should be arming themselves and stockpiling ammo.
Without civil asset forfeiture and wasteful budgets, would be hard to militarize as much as many US departments
They’ve been playing Military Police for years now. Good news of course is the dozens of joints they’ve taken off our streets!
But that’s interesting in of itself. They’re not going after gang members or violent offenders, they’re going for non violent/dangerous people.
I was in several protests that were violently suppressed by police in the US, using tear gas, flash bangs, beatings etc. After threats and fascist violence, groups of armed leftists joined in more frequently. For whatever reason I can’t recall the police attacking while they were there. Like the IDF killing children, they only want defenseless victims.
“You die first, get it? Your friends might get me in a rush, but not before I make your head into a canoe, you understand me?”
There’s no reason to believe that they’re federal agents if they refuse to show ID.
This is what I don’t understand. What’s then to prevent literally anyone else claiming to be from some other agency to intervene and say they can’t take the person away? And then claim they don’t need to show ID?
people should start impersonating as ICE and start arresting ICE agents.
This isn’t even a joke. And I think this might actually happen at some point.
They won’t listen to reason. Only a good beatdown will convince them.
These ice agents deserve to be targeted. Yes, I am advocating violence against agents like this.
I fully agree. With the lack of respect for the law I don’t understand why there aren’t uprisings and riots in the streets by now!
Americans are being scarily apathetic to full takeover of fascism happening there. The constitution is already nullified if judges, mayor’s and those decrying fascism and authoritarianism are being locked away… the night is dark. They should be going by now but alas.
They’re not federal agents. At best they’ve been deputized. Even that’s probably overstating their legal status.
thats why they are wearing mask, so its harder to retaliate against them, people should consider pulling thier masks off.
People should start learning how to make thermite and how to immobilize vehicles.
Citizen sabotage was taught by the CIA as an effective way for insurgents in a country we wanted to topple to hurt their defensive and warmaking power.
The best tactic in this regard; incompetence.
Just get a job where you help them. But be bad at it.
Lose papers. Email things backwards. Leave messes. Pour the wrong chemicals in the wrong thing. Send messages on Monday instead of Friday. Spoil supplies by making them wet and letting them rot.
A man of culture I see.
add journalists and random civilians to military operation group chats
Isn’t that a little too obvious though?
Start seeding your social media history with MAGA five years ago (they’re smart enough to check that right, they only care about loyalty—forget competence)
Also be bad enough and presumably you’re a terrorist like a Tesla protestor (naughty naughty, only domestic terrorists don’t support Elron)
Good thing the enemy has already done half the work in this regard
What would’ve been much more useful in this situation is tactics like sticking together (to not be so easily picked out)
It’s way simpler than that. Gather styrofoam, rags and glass bottles from the alleyways. Get you some gasoline. The rest is known well. All you need is a shopping cart and a container to hold gas. If you have doubts watch news footage of the citizen response in Ukraine to Russian invasion.
So um… what’re you gonna do with the thermite?
No seriously, I used to do aluminothermic welding, trust me when I say it’s an extremely frustrating substance to use. And on top of that, it is incredibly conspicuous. Unless you both know what you’re doing and what you’re doing can only be done by introducing a huge thermal mass (for example, screwing up a precision bearing surface on a piece of equipment. Note that you can’t really cut through material with thermite without using a burnout mold), there are way better ways to accomplish the task. It’s just not a great choice, and everything a theoretical citizen resistance would feasibly be doing could be done better, faster and safer (for you) with either some gasoline or bolt cutters…
I don’t doubt your expertise and knowledge on the subject, but from veritasium videos on this I would have thought that putting it in a medium size clay flower pot (the ones with a hole at the bottom) and placing it on the car engine hood, it would probably not be a nice outcome for the car. Not total it, but it’s not driving away anyway. A can of gasoline is less logistically complicated (just one item, way easier to ignite) but it’s also bigger to carry around.
I’m just a person who watched too much youtube videos though.
… Just put the gasoline in a smaller container.
Really though, thermite will mess up a car (quite a bit less than you’d expect from how spectacular it is) but keep in mind that while you’re standing around trying to ignite that magnesium strip, there’s a bunch of ICE officers who don’t want their car burned up. Dumping a jar of gas in the rain gutter and tossing in a lighter takes way less time (and will probably have a much larger effect) than thermite, and nobody can just knock it off the car while it’s burning. Plus it’s much easier to have a plausible excuse for owning a jar of gasoline than it is bags of powdered aluminum.
You’re not wrong that it would work, it’s just not going to work as well as the alternatives.
Yeah you’re right an all points, I didn’t think about the rain drain.
Keep safe out there!
Thanks, and you too.
(Real advice, get a pair of 8"/10" compound bolt cutters - they’re useful for everything from zipcuffs to tire walls and work a treat for self defence as well, plus they’re small enough to be disposed of in an instant if need be. Much more practical to carry around than 5kg pots of thermite, too)
Once upon a time, in a distant land, a person arrived near a police vehicle while a crowd surrounding the vehicle was argumentative and loud. They dropped a few caltrops and nudged them under the wheels with their toe.
Once upon a time, in a distant land, a guy with a cordless drill disabled some police vehicles in a speed-run. Sadly they had no RC car to mount it on (note: some cleanliness, testing and engineering skills required) or they could have called it a “rig” and proclaimed “drill, baby, drill”.
The one story I read had the person doing those things leaving their phone at home and wearing things to shield their face. Some of the stories I’ve heard also include the main character putting a small rock in their shoe in order to alter their gait to avoid potential detection based on it.
Cool stories…
What’s to stop residents from doing a citizen’s arrest of these thugs who fail to properly identify and show a warrant? They’re bound to be shot by a good guy with a gun soon…
Tome to arm yourself america
It could have been conjecture but I read on her a few days back that an executive order had absolved ICE from needing to show a warrant, maybe even ID.
I understand that’s a massive erosion of American people’s constitution but, well, colour me shocked!
hmm if there is no need to show warrant or ID then everyone can impersonate as ICE easily.
How does America have so many cowards willing to do this job?
I’ve known plenty of them. They sign up specifically because they want to do this job. Rember the dumb bullies from school? Imagine what happens when they grow up.
They are too stupid and horrible to hold a real job so as long as they get paid they dont care…
And also so many cowards unwilling to do the OTHER job.
Are you kidding me? Think of every maga you’ve seen with aggressive, hateful, pro-Trump anti-biden anti-immigration signs and such in their yards and on the back of their cars.
Every one of them with any kind of prior training and probably thousands upon thousands more without would punch their mother in the face for the chance to be given a badge and paycheck to get rid of brown people.
They are probably turning down 10x more people than they could even consider hiring.
The US is full of bigots and white supremacists, and it’s more visible now than at any time in my nearly six decades of life.
I don’t engage with them being outside the US but we do have a ‘Maple MAGA’ here which is similar.
Terrifying to hear that there are many in the US that are eager to do this type of work.
Yeah I’ve been a little surprised to hear that there are similar types up there, I don’t know why - I suppose it’s human nature.
What I’ve seen in recent years here has shaken and changed me.
Unfortunately, many Western countries are inching towards fascism due to failed neoloberal policies and rising antiimmigrant sentiment.
Canada and Australia were able to at least delay it in their most recent elections.
As an Australian, did you want to maybe speak for yourself there mate? We haven’t experienced any major regressions of progressive policies or rights, and just saw our right wing of government shrink to a record low when they tried to import Trump’s culture war schtick. Historically our right wing has actually been fairly moderate. It was a right-wing government that instituted aggressive gun control laws in the 1990s, and a right-wing government that (for better or worse) was in power when same-sex marriage was legalised in the 2010s.
If anything, Australia is literally the poster child for “How Not to Inch Towards Fascism” that other countries should aspire too.
Exclusionary and traditionalist politics are gaining steam in Australia as they are in the rest of the Western world. This election was no doubt a good outcome but, just like in Canada and the US, support for conservatism and far right politics is growing among young Australian men. This will become problematic in the next 10 to 15 years as historically this demographic inherits control of the institutions.
What concerns me the most is what happens when you heap climate refugees on top of this mess. The forecast doesn’t look so great.
They’re a bunch of psychopaths.
Edit:spelling
“put their hands on federal agents and Worcester officers.”
They put their disgusting little hands on the officers, they deserve to be shot!
The officers do, indeed, deserve to be shot.
For context, this is in Worcester, MA. Fairly Democrat and progressive area. It’s not like this was happening in Ohio or Nebraska.
This is by design. Have it happen in select locations (Colorado, Massachusetts) so the rest of the country can dismiss it as, “well, at least they aren’t here,” or a detached, “they probably deserved it,” while the behavior is normalized. They’ve started in Tennessee now to get red states normalized.
It’s all a highly illegal long con so people don’t realize the country’s freedoms and laws being slowly eroded until it is too late.
Stay vigilant.
20k new ICE agents on the way too. Now all the gravy SEAL cosplayers can join up and hurt immigrants. Brown Shirts mobilizing. Authoritarian apparatus is gaining momentum.
This is not okay, and it is not a product of the legal system. When the system fails the people, it’s up to the people to deny the system its power. Good on those neighbors getting involved and pushing back.
The woman’s teen daughter was left holding the woman’s baby and stood in front of the car in an apparent attempt to stop it. After handing the child to another person, she allegedly kicked the car—and was also reportedly arrested on four charges, including child endangerment. Police have not disclosed what happened to the baby afterward.
fuck you
And the mayor had the audacity to say they don’t agree with what ICE did.
That’s great, but maybe get your police force to stop enabling their actions.
Even better, have your police force enforce the damn law. Arrest these men when they try to kidnap people without a warrant.
Yeah, police have a ton of latitude when they decide who to press which charges on and who they just let go with warnings or whatever, choosing to throw child endangerment at this girl is just straight up trolling
Like getting blood on a uniform and getting ‘assaulting an officer’ added
It’s a classic cop routine:
- Step 1: do some violence
- Step 2: realize it looks kinda bad, look around and arrest somebody else for what they just did
- Step 3: profit (time and a half for their trouble)
1: always be on lookout for slightest challenge to authority
2: arrest whoever possible
Obviously we’ve seen videos where the opposite is true too, not an absolutist, but ya def the MO for many
Pure evil.
Yeah i think she was the one endangering the child not the fucking trump SS agents
This is Trump’s America.
Notice how she speaks perfect English. This is clearly someone who doesn’t belong in the US /s
What a fucking joke of a country.
Speaking English isn’t a requirement to be in the country.
It’s not a requirement but it’s a good indication that she’s been in the country for a long time, it’s not like she just snuck in illegally from her home country. That was my point.
Tell that to the long haul truckers being arrested for not speaking English.
Yet
“We don’t have to show you anything,” one agent reportedly shot back when asked for ID or a warrant.
Actually, yea. You do. Or its just assault and kidnapping. Official paperwork is not privileged or secret. That idiot should be fired along with his chain of command.
Am I allowed to shoot in self defense if this happens in a stand your ground state?
Legally, absolutely, but they’ll kill you for it anyways
Yes. Will the court decide in your favor? Who knows, but I’d wager probably not. It’s better to try it and find out then let this happen though, or probably a better idea would be to get out ASAP and try to become a ghost if possible. Eventually this won’t be tolerated, but people need to see others stand up before they will usually.
Actually, yea. You do
For now.
No. They do no matter what. Once they tread on the Fourth the grumblings about resistance, rebellion, or revolt become a legal defense of our Constitutional rights. These people immediately get “promoted” and become a demest8c threat to the Constitution. It would then become open hunting season on ICE, with defending the Constitution becoming the legal defense. The only reason it hasn’t happened yet is because ICE is targeting weak willed areas. They are moving fast and they also happen to be getting a large percentage of illegals with only occasional “mistakes”.
We don’t know if they’re actually getting any “illegals”
There’s a court case right now. He’s suing the ability of federal judges to make essentially precedence matter.
If he wins this case in the Supreme Court, All executive orders are law until they are challenged in court, and if one person wins a judgment, It will have zero effect on other like cases.
So the playbook is he writes an executive order that ice doesn’t need to show warrants, ice doesn’t show warrant, each individual that is f***** over by this executive order has to take it to court individually, assuming they’re not already in a South American prison.
We’re a couple of judgments away from absolute dictatorship.
It’s also reported that Trump’s people are working on suspending habeas corpus. This would remove your right to challenge your arbitrary imprisonment in court. So they will be able to disappear anyone, forever, with no reason and no legal recourse. Effectively Trump will then be an absolute dictator.
Habeas corpus (/ˈheɪbiəs ˈkɔːrpəs/ ⓘ; from Medieval Latin, lit. ‘you should have the body’) is a legal procedure by which a report can be made to a court alleging the unlawful detention or imprisonment of an individual, and requesting that the court order the individual’s custodian (usually a prison official) to bring the prisoner to court, to determine whether their detention is lawful. Relief, when available, is generally governed by equitable principles.
One of the few criticisms of Lincoln is that he suspended Habeas Corpus during the Civil War. I expect that the MAGA Nazis will be invoking Lincoln’s name in this regard. They love to claim that they are the “Party of Lincoln,” and therefore he would support their treason.
They can make whatever laws they want. This is a constitutional matter. It can only be changed by a 2/3s majority vote of the house and senate.
ICE can say they don’t need a warrant. Fuck them up if they don’t have one … a warrant is required.
The president can say ICE doesnt need a warrant … fuck him, he doesn’t have the authority … they do.
The Supreme Court can say ICE doesnt need a warrant … fuck them, they do not have the authority … a warrant is still needed.
Source: The Constitution
If nothing physically stops them from doing what they say they can do, then they can do it, and the constitution is meaningless. This is what is happening, they are proving the constitution is meaningless.
Eventually ICE will stumble upon someone with a strong interest in the Second Amendment and get themselves physically stopped. Because ICE’s actions are unconstitutional they will be considered illegal, thus whatever is done to stop them will be legal.
It is only a matter of time and this story will be in the news. MAGA thinks they can tread upon the Constitution, but the Constitution lays coiled and has sharp fangs.
The Constitution only has meaning because you all say it has meaning. All of its enforcement comes down to the Executive branch. Congress doesn’t have enforcers, the Judiciary doesn’t have enforcers. Systematically, all of the people in the Executive branch that would stop this are being forced out. The people in power have decided the Constitution has no meaning, and it’s too late to stop them. Killing some ICE agents is what they want so they have the justification to declare martial law and subjugate the entire country by force.
I applaud your optimism. But anyone resisting ICE with armed force will be killed by a SWAT team and immediately branded a terrorist by all the media.
The Constitution is essentially enforced by the Honor System, which is easily ignored by people who not only have no honor, but consider it a weakness that should be ruthlessly exploited. A petson with ethics and integrity can be easily bested by someone who ddoesn’t respect those qualities.
Helpful neighbor: “No, I’m with ICE and I’m arresting you motherfuckers.”
*We all get to pretend to be ICE or whatever the fuck if there’s no requirement to prove who you are
I’m surprised armed plainclothes and or tactically dressed leftist groups, who’s goal is to specifically protect accused immigrants, haven’t popped up.
Fired? This guy will be promoted. Shake your head. Fight back.
I’m curious. Do they have toshow it to bystanders? To the person they are arresting sure. And I would think to family of that person… but maybe not. I doubt they have to show it to randos on the street. But, I think it is safe to assume they didn’t have it. Even if they did, thier history means they have blown any credibility on that front. As for ID. I do wonder about that. Anyone know the actual laws?
If they are expecting you to follow some sort of directive they do.
Certainly not. A cop can direct you to get out of a car without a warrant, and you are required to comply. And plenty of even simpler situations.
not if they don’t identify themselves. If they don’t they are not a cop. If some dude says pull over from a rolled up window you totally do not have to and if you are pulled over you can ask their badge number and name and to see it. This chain is not about warrants but about them identitifying themselves.
The comment that started this thread said ID or warrant. A badge is far from either. And apparently from other sources, in most states they don’t have to give you thier badge number or name. Seems a few states have a law saying they do, but only a few.
an ID is totally their badge. The warrant part was not saying something similar to an ID/badge as much as saying an acceptable alternative.
You can get a badge at the dollar store. Id, not so much. The ID has thier picture on it so that you know it is thiers. The badge… not so much. Most of us have decent idea what out state ID looks like. Maybe not enough to spot a decent forgery, but far better than a police badge which can be different. You have town, city, county, and state leos. And the all the feds. They simply are not the same thing at all.
Actually no. https://newrepublic.com/post/194442/trump-doj-memo-ice-arrest-search-warrant
Civil liberties have already been suspended
Just because Marmalade Mussolini or his DOJ wrote a memo doesn’t make it legal. The use of the Alien Enemies Act is already highly contested in federal court. (It remains to be seen if/when courts will enforce their rulings, but just today a Tufts University student was released from ICE custody as a result of a judge’s ruling.)
Fuck 'em up!
