This is Trump’s America.
Notice how she speaks perfect English. This is clearly someone who doesn’t belong in the US /s
What a fucking joke of a country.
Speaking English isn’t a requirement to be in the country.
It’s not a requirement but it’s a good indication that she’s been in the country for a long time, it’s not like she just snuck in illegally from her home country. That was my point.
Tell that to the long haul truckers being arrested for not speaking English.
Yet
“We don’t have to show you anything,” one agent reportedly shot back when asked for ID or a warrant.
Actually, yea. You do. Or its just assault and kidnapping. Official paperwork is not privileged or secret. That idiot should be fired along with his chain of command.
Am I allowed to shoot in self defense if this happens in a stand your ground state?
Yes. Will the court decide in your favor? Who knows, but I’d wager probably not. It’s better to try it and find out then let this happen though, or probably a better idea would be to get out ASAP and try to become a ghost if possible. Eventually this won’t be tolerated, but people need to see others stand up before they will usually.
Legally, absolutely, but they’ll kill you for it anyways
I’m curious. Do they have toshow it to bystanders? To the person they are arresting sure. And I would think to family of that person… but maybe not. I doubt they have to show it to randos on the street. But, I think it is safe to assume they didn’t have it. Even if they did, thier history means they have blown any credibility on that front. As for ID. I do wonder about that. Anyone know the actual laws?
If they are expecting you to follow some sort of directive they do.
Certainly not. A cop can direct you to get out of a car without a warrant, and you are required to comply. And plenty of even simpler situations.
not if they don’t identify themselves. If they don’t they are not a cop. If some dude says pull over from a rolled up window you totally do not have to and if you are pulled over you can ask their badge number and name and to see it. This chain is not about warrants but about them identitifying themselves.
The comment that started this thread said ID or warrant. A badge is far from either. And apparently from other sources, in most states they don’t have to give you thier badge number or name. Seems a few states have a law saying they do, but only a few.
an ID is totally their badge. The warrant part was not saying something similar to an ID/badge as much as saying an acceptable alternative.
You can get a badge at the dollar store. Id, not so much. The ID has thier picture on it so that you know it is thiers. The badge… not so much. Most of us have decent idea what out state ID looks like. Maybe not enough to spot a decent forgery, but far better than a police badge which can be different. You have town, city, county, and state leos. And the all the feds. They simply are not the same thing at all.
Actually, yea. You do
For now.
No. They do no matter what. Once they tread on the Fourth the grumblings about resistance, rebellion, or revolt become a legal defense of our Constitutional rights. These people immediately get “promoted” and become a demest8c threat to the Constitution. It would then become open hunting season on ICE, with defending the Constitution becoming the legal defense. The only reason it hasn’t happened yet is because ICE is targeting weak willed areas. They are moving fast and they also happen to be getting a large percentage of illegals with only occasional “mistakes”.
There’s a court case right now. He’s suing the ability of federal judges to make essentially precedence matter.
If he wins this case in the Supreme Court, All executive orders are law until they are challenged in court, and if one person wins a judgment, It will have zero effect on other like cases.
So the playbook is he writes an executive order that ice doesn’t need to show warrants, ice doesn’t show warrant, each individual that is f***** over by this executive order has to take it to court individually, assuming they’re not already in a South American prison.
We’re a couple of judgments away from absolute dictatorship.
They can make whatever laws they want. This is a constitutional matter. It can only be changed by a 2/3s majority vote of the house and senate.
ICE can say they don’t need a warrant. Fuck them up if they don’t have one … a warrant is required.
The president can say ICE doesnt need a warrant … fuck him, he doesn’t have the authority … they do.
The Supreme Court can say ICE doesnt need a warrant … fuck them, they do not have the authority … a warrant is still needed.
Source: The Constitution
If nothing physically stops them from doing what they say they can do, then they can do it, and the constitution is meaningless. This is what is happening, they are proving the constitution is meaningless.
The Constitution is essentially enforced by the Honor System, which is easily ignored by people who not only have no honor, but consider it a weakness that should be ruthlessly exploited. A petson with ethics and integrity can be easily bested by someone who ddoesn’t respect those qualities.
Eventually ICE will stumble upon someone with a strong interest in the Second Amendment and get themselves physically stopped. Because ICE’s actions are unconstitutional they will be considered illegal, thus whatever is done to stop them will be legal.
It is only a matter of time and this story will be in the news. MAGA thinks they can tread upon the Constitution, but the Constitution lays coiled and has sharp fangs.
I applaud your optimism. But anyone resisting ICE with armed force will be killed by a SWAT team and immediately branded a terrorist by all the media.
The Constitution only has meaning because you all say it has meaning. All of its enforcement comes down to the Executive branch. Congress doesn’t have enforcers, the Judiciary doesn’t have enforcers. Systematically, all of the people in the Executive branch that would stop this are being forced out. The people in power have decided the Constitution has no meaning, and it’s too late to stop them. Killing some ICE agents is what they want so they have the justification to declare martial law and subjugate the entire country by force.
It’s also reported that Trump’s people are working on suspending habeas corpus. This would remove your right to challenge your arbitrary imprisonment in court. So they will be able to disappear anyone, forever, with no reason and no legal recourse. Effectively Trump will then be an absolute dictator.
Habeas corpus (/ˈheɪbiəs ˈkɔːrpəs/ ⓘ; from Medieval Latin, lit. ‘you should have the body’) is a legal procedure by which a report can be made to a court alleging the unlawful detention or imprisonment of an individual, and requesting that the court order the individual’s custodian (usually a prison official) to bring the prisoner to court, to determine whether their detention is lawful. Relief, when available, is generally governed by equitable principles.
One of the few criticisms of Lincoln is that he suspended Habeas Corpus during the Civil War. I expect that the MAGA Nazis will be invoking Lincoln’s name in this regard. They love to claim that they are the “Party of Lincoln,” and therefore he would support their treason.
We don’t know if they’re actually getting any “illegals”
Helpful neighbor: “No, I’m with ICE and I’m arresting you motherfuckers.”
*We all get to pretend to be ICE or whatever the fuck if there’s no requirement to prove who you are
I’m surprised armed plainclothes and or tactically dressed leftist groups, who’s goal is to specifically protect accused immigrants, haven’t popped up.
Actually no. https://newrepublic.com/post/194442/trump-doj-memo-ice-arrest-search-warrant
Civil liberties have already been suspended
Just because Marmalade Mussolini or his DOJ wrote a memo doesn’t make it legal. The use of the Alien Enemies Act is already highly contested in federal court. (It remains to be seen if/when courts will enforce their rulings, but just today a Tufts University student was released from ICE custody as a result of a judge’s ruling.)
Fired? This guy will be promoted. Shake your head. Fight back.
How many cases were there where there were no furious residents?
Fuck 'em up!
Also arrested was Ashley Spring, a Worcester School Committee candidate and local resident, who police say pushed officers and threw an “unknown liquid” on them.
At least someone in the group stood up to them. If there’s a go fund me I’ll definitely donate.
She deserves donations a thousand times more than that Mangione fuckface.
Fuck off narc troll.
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What would’ve been much more useful in this situation is tactics like sticking together (to not be so easily picked out)
So um… what’re you gonna do with the thermite?
No seriously, I used to do aluminothermic welding, trust me when I say it’s an extremely frustrating substance to use. And on top of that, it is incredibly conspicuous. Unless you both know what you’re doing and what you’re doing can only be done by introducing a huge thermal mass (for example, screwing up a precision bearing surface on a piece of equipment. Note that you can’t really cut through material with thermite without using a burnout mold), there are way better ways to accomplish the task. It’s just not a great choice, and everything a theoretical citizen resistance would feasibly be doing could be done better, faster and safer (for you) with either some gasoline or bolt cutters…
I don’t doubt your expertise and knowledge on the subject, but from veritasium videos on this I would have thought that putting it in a medium size clay flower pot (the ones with a hole at the bottom) and placing it on the car engine hood, it would probably not be a nice outcome for the car. Not total it, but it’s not driving away anyway. A can of gasoline is less logistically complicated (just one item, way easier to ignite) but it’s also bigger to carry around.
I’m just a person who watched too much youtube videos though.
… Just put the gasoline in a smaller container.
Really though, thermite will mess up a car (quite a bit less than you’d expect from how spectacular it is) but keep in mind that while you’re standing around trying to ignite that magnesium strip, there’s a bunch of ICE officers who don’t want their car burned up. Dumping a jar of gas in the rain gutter and tossing in a lighter takes way less time (and will probably have a much larger effect) than thermite, and nobody can just knock it off the car while it’s burning. Plus it’s much easier to have a plausible excuse for owning a jar of gasoline than it is bags of powdered aluminum.
You’re not wrong that it would work, it’s just not going to work as well as the alternatives.
Yeah you’re right an all points, I didn’t think about the rain drain.
Keep safe out there!
Thanks, and you too.
(Real advice, get a pair of 8"/10" compound bolt cutters - they’re useful for everything from zipcuffs to tire walls and work a treat for self defence as well, plus they’re small enough to be disposed of in an instant if need be. Much more practical to carry around than 5kg pots of thermite, too)
Citizen sabotage was taught by the CIA as an effective way for insurgents in a country we wanted to topple to hurt their defensive and warmaking power.
The best tactic in this regard; incompetence.
Just get a job where you help them. But be bad at it.
Lose papers. Email things backwards. Leave messes. Pour the wrong chemicals in the wrong thing. Send messages on Monday instead of Friday. Spoil supplies by making them wet and letting them rot.
A man of culture I see.
Start seeding your social media history with MAGA five years ago (they’re smart enough to check that right, they only care about loyalty—forget competence)
Also be bad enough and presumably you’re a terrorist like a Tesla protestor (naughty naughty, only domestic terrorists don’t support Elron)
Good thing the enemy has already done half the work in this regard
add journalists and random civilians to military operation group chats
Isn’t that a little too obvious though?
It’s way simpler than that. Gather styrofoam, rags and glass bottles from the alleyways. Get you some gasoline. The rest is known well. All you need is a shopping cart and a container to hold gas. If you have doubts watch news footage of the citizen response in Ukraine to Russian invasion.
Once upon a time, in a distant land, a person arrived near a police vehicle while a crowd surrounding the vehicle was argumentative and loud. They dropped a few caltrops and nudged them under the wheels with their toe.
Once upon a time, in a distant land, a guy with a cordless drill disabled some police vehicles in a speed-run. Sadly they had no RC car to mount it on (note: some cleanliness, testing and engineering skills required) or they could have called it a “rig” and proclaimed “drill, baby, drill”.
The one story I read had the person doing those things leaving their phone at home and wearing things to shield their face. Some of the stories I’ve heard also include the main character putting a small rock in their shoe in order to alter their gait to avoid potential detection based on it.
Cool stories…
What’s to stop residents from doing a citizen’s arrest of these thugs who fail to properly identify and show a warrant? They’re bound to be shot by a good guy with a gun soon…
It could have been conjecture but I read on her a few days back that an executive order had absolved ICE from needing to show a warrant, maybe even ID.
I understand that’s a massive erosion of American people’s constitution but, well, colour me shocked!
hmm if there is no need to show warrant or ID then everyone can impersonate as ICE easily.
Tome to arm yourself america
This won’t stop until the job becomes too dangerous for them to do.
Big, strong, well trained men in tactical gear pushing, threatening and arresting women and children … and they wouldn’t go into any actual threatening situations to deal with actual violent crimes.
Bunch of cowards going after the weakest in society … classic yellow bellied fascism.
well trained
They are well trained in thuggery and how to evade legal consequences. 80% of cops wouldn’t know discipline or acting through adversity if it knocked their teeth out, and the 20% that do learned it in the military.
They def meant they are well trained in violence
Looks like Germany during the 1940s, when people were also dragged from their homes. Good luck y’all
Reporting in from Poland (Canada). We are so fucked I don’t think enough people realize it yet.
Yep, fascism has to have an in-group and an out-group. As they work through the groups of immigrants, trans people, Democrats, etc they need to find new ones to persecute. They’ll work through their own undesirables and then they’re coming for us.
It’s just like Nazi Germany in the 30s. It didn’t take long for Hitler to turn his eyes on Poland.
He will come for us. His talks of the 51st state are not a joke or a bluff. People are not taking it seriously enough.
I hope Canada nukes D.C. to protect themselves.
We don’t have any nukes.
Want some?
Looks like nazi germany
MAGA is the movement, GOP is the party and ICE is the goon squad. Deportation apparatus is operational. Media cooptation, military buildup and foreign bullying is incomplete, but underway. All in all, their evil campaign still lacks scale and foresight, but they’re getting there. Opposition so far is not much more than the eye movement of the deer in the headlights.
With enough time, people around the world won’t be comparing things to Nazi Germany anymore, but instead to Trumpian America
Just another day in this version of America. Wonder how those protest non-votes feel now.
Probably still something something genocide supporters
I see it. Avoid genocide by becoming literal nazis? Nazis probably didn’t call it genocide either.
MA state leaders are cowards, they know the cops support Trump and gladly lie to us about it
There’s close up footage you should watch because it’s madness. They throw the teen girl on the ground and assault a bunch of people.
Man I hope that when this is over, these thugs are hunted to the end of their existence and imprisoned, no matter their age. They should be treated like we treat Nazis of old. “Just following orders” shouldn’t fly.
They should be treated like we treat Nazis of old.
Hide them in Argentina while giving them top positions at NASA and the CIA?
Man fuck what that orange fucking pile of shit turned my country into. I hope he dies bleeding from the eyeballs.
