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F. The more fundamental problem is that these are all cars, not bikes. Fuck cars.
Well yes, but actually bikes wouldn’t even need a roundabout with rules like this in the first place.
Right, that’s the funny thing about roundabouts. They’re a marvelous solution to local motor vehicle throughput. That become completely unnecessary if your traffic is anything besides motor vehicles. In fact, for bikes and pedestrians and anyone else who can look at each other eye to eye and even just talk to one another if need be, no signals or signs are necessary at all.
They become more necessary in a bike-centric world… as velodromes.
I’m waiting til it becomes normal for individuals to use old school buses as their commuter vehicles. It’s the inevitable destination of the car size war.
It makes sense because that would also help alleviate the housing crisis.
I get in and out of those roundabouts as fast as possible
I don’t mind the design, I think they’re great and save time and reduce traffic congestion
I just don’t trust drivers of this generation to use them properly. We are currently in a transition period of generations … an older generation of drivers that didn’t grow up with these and a newer group who will think these roundabouts will be normal. As long as these old timers (including me) are around, these traffic situations will be dangerous.
Which is why, when I get to these roundabouts, I get in as quickly as possible and get out as quickly as I can
And the whole set of problems only exist because there are too many cars.
Alternative scenario: C starts entering, A decides to FUCKING FLOOR IT, slams into C
Replace the pink car with a bicycle an A is suddenly not being in the mood to yield anymore.
I was going straight once and had to go back in and do a full turn (180° + 360°) because of that.
I’m a daily cyclist and I think I’d be terrified to bike through a full roundabout. They’re absolutely marvelous designs for throughput that doesn’t require complex signal automation, but the flip side of that is they’re pretty hostile if you’re not a motor vehicle. Any truly good roundabout design should include pedestrian and cycle paths along the periphery that have priority when crossing the circles entrances.
On the other hand, I am not expecting a cycle path for me when I am going around the normal road speed. Just if people start understanding the cycles are also traffic and not something to be plo’d over.
But that’s not the thing either. It feels like people are just playing a game of ‘chcken’ all over the place.
All cars will yield to a bicycle in the UK, because less protected members of the road traffic always take priority.
Welp, I’m not in the UK.
Over here, people go with - what is the most threatening to themselves - and it really feels weird that people who have presumably passed the driving exam are worse at roundabouts than me.All cars should yield.
When I used to cycle, I’d just go on the pavements at large roundabouts. Not much point in being right but dead.
I personally never had any issues. British drivers are very polite and cautious.
I’m always D
etermined to keep my head up high, but it gets hard when I’m deep in a
cult
Wait until you see the magic roundabout in the UK. It’s a “close your eyes, pray and hit the gas” type of place.
It’s really five regular roundabouts circling one central roundabout.
Left side driving should be illegal
It is in the most places on earth.
Good.
That roundabout needs a speaker constantly playing Entry of the Gladiators on repeat
I drove through that one, not easy. I prefer the turbine design we use in Germany.
People will unironically see this and proclaim that it’s actually not that complicated…
Then you see the cars completely ignoring the sub-circles and driving over them or backwards to the arrows.
I’ve seen this so often before and I still don’t understand why they didn’t just build an ordinary roundabout. It’s just six roads that meet there. That’s not beyond ordinary roundabout capabilities. Who said “you know what, let’s just do a circular arrangement of five roundabouts here, that’s so much better than what people are used to”?
My money is on “the french love roundabouts so we’re not doing that”
Holy hell
No one will ever be able to invade the UK, they’ll get stuck in this horror.
AmeriKan drivers and traffic circles equates to an inefficient cluster fuck. When departing the circle, use your damn turn signal so I can enter!!!
Wheres the fighter jet?
I remember almost hitting a cop in a roundabout somewhere in my city because they didn’t follow the rules. It’s a double-wide roundabout, where the outer ring must make the first right they come to and only the inner ring can continue forward or make a right. I needed to make a right from the inner lane, the cop was in the outer lane and DIDN’T TAKE THE EXIT, and I almost turned into the asshole, expecting him to turn like he was supposed to.
ACAB
All Circles Are Beyond-my-ability-to-comprehend - the cop probably
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US. Which is probably the number 1 reason for this bonehead move; roundabouts are like unicorns here. Not only that, but they often are done in ways that are extremely stupid and often vary from one town to another so that there is no consistency in the rules. They would be the smoothest, fastest form of an intersection if they were consistent and encountered enough that people learned how to properly utilize them.
C is yielding to a pedestrian, but carbrain D cannot fathom yielding to anything smaller than their car.
There’s no pedestrian in the image.
Cars are bad enough as it is that we don’t have to imagine more problems with them.
Pedestrian would be safer crossing somewhere with a pedestrian crossing
A pedestrian would cross between C and D, or even behind D.
Were this a 2 lane roundabout, car d would be changing lanes to bypass car c, nearly striking that pedestrian
It took me three attempts to parse
We’re this a 2 lane roundabout,
Your mistake is even harder to type than the correct ‘Were’!
Autocorrect fucks me on were we’re all the time. I bet that’s what happened.
Yup. Swipe keyboard.
yall need real keyboards.
Nope, same level of difficulty since the swipe keyboard autocorrect added the unneeded apostrophe.
Hate it when that happens!
Pedestrian crossing without traffic lights at a 2 lane roundabout entry? That’s just murderous design.
Try a 3 lane roundabout entry. I cross that shit twice a day on my commute to work every fucking day. Other options are very far out of the way as to make them non-viable.
I always wave on traffic so that I may cross when it is safe. Sometimes, a car stops to let me through, and refuses to move. I won’t go, because I can’t see the other two lanes past the car that is stopped. Four times in the past year, that car was rear ended by a massive fuckoff truck. For whatever reason, they get pissed off at me, not the guy that rear ended them.
Does turning your head/body to face away from that car that refuses to move help much?
I only once encountered it in Czechia near Plzen with 2 lanes. Think it took me 5 minutes before I could/dared. Can’t imagine it with 3. Crazy dangerous situation. Stay safe!
Traffic lights on a roundabout kinda defeats the purpose doesn’t it? might as well signalize the intersection
Signalised lead ins are helpful to solve flow issues caused by an imbalance in traffic direction at certain times of day. When you get too much traffic building up that can’t enter the roundabout due to no gaps you activate the red light before the entrance dominating traffic flow to give a period where the other directions can move through. The actual roundabout works as per normal and you don’t have to deal with lights during non-peak periods.
Lights on a roundabout make it not really a roundabout but an unholy mishmash of intersection design. I’ve got one near me and the only thing going for it was that converting a roundabout was significantly cheaper than the flyover intersection it really should be made into.
There’s only one or two in my area that would warrant adding signals, but they’re only backed up during rush hour by people trying to take a “shortcut” around the highway traffic. So I consider them kinda self limiting due to the traffic. Not many more people try to take that route at that time when they’re aware that it’s clogged in the direction of rush hour traffic.
The other is right next to a private school and is only clogged because nobody uses their bus service, so, I don’t have any sympathy for the parents.
Tho not preferable, there’s cases where it can work. The roundabout layout still provides a better (easier) entry to the crossroads, the traffic lights can create a “cadence”. Technically not a roundabout anymore, it does use some of it’s qualities.
Anyhow, pedestrian crossings on 2 lanes right before any kind of intersection without any lights is way more dangerous than a roundabout with lights.
I’ve been car A and still had car D behind me beep at me. We hate car D.
The lion does not concern himself with car C. Car D should plough straight through them.
I love roundabouts as a driver and as a pedestrian. I do admit that the double laned ones can feel like an utter cluster at times though
Yeah I’m a fan.
My city has no traffic lights. Roundabouts everywhere. It’s not a particularly big city.
There are some problems but in general I think everyone gets where they’re going a lot quicker.
I have The Perfect Round-A-Bout for you.
It’s insane. It’s also brilliant.
Gotta be aggressive for those
you aught to try the kind that’s 3 lanes going to 5 different places and a tram running through the middle!
(this was the most dangerous intersection in my city for a while… they’ve added traffic lights… i do also very much love roundabouts)
Car C is really just waiting for the pink car to arrive so that they can slam the gas as soon as it does.
Car D is going to have to wait for car A no matter what
Assuming no cars come after yellow car, it doesn’t matter if car C goes or not.
Honestly it’s nicer because car D doesn’t have to move up a car length to yield.
Yes they could get screwed very hard though
Well couple of things.
You don’t know how long C has been incorrectly yielding. There may well have been enough time for them both to move onward.
Also there’s nothing to say that A isn’t a yet undiscovered C.
I’m from the UK so roundabouts are second nature. I’ve been an accidental C before. Where I had to wait for a lot of cars that had priority over me. When it finally was open for me I was zoned out. Luckily the car behind me was very polite and just used a short beep of the horn to bring me back to reality.
D could take the first exit while signalling
