Here we go boys! WW3! Lets watch the destruction of the world order AGAIN. I wonder which side Trump will take? The allies he hates or the autocrat he adores?
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So if the Russia sycophants use “NATO on their doorstep” as an excuse to forget Russia to invade ukraine wouldn’t this build-up on the border of a NATO country give NATO the same excuse? I’m sorry I have trouble keeping up with the “logic” of Russia apologists.
Russia has the world’s biggest border. That’s one hell of a doorstep. And it makes the bootlickers’ assumption that Russia is entitled to buffer states along that entire border manifestly absurd.
And here’s the other thing. It’s not the 1800s. Russia has a nuclear triad. Wtf is a buffer state for again exactly?
You dont have to. It is all vibe based ideology. Like all good fascist propaganda.
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Here is the article this article is using for its source: https://www.nytimes.com/2025/05/19/world/europe/russia-finland-border.html
Edit: Yes, the article isn’t great, and clearly has a Russian bias. I was just linking it becuase its the original, and more complete source.
This is one of the least informed articles I’ve ever read. Phrases like “From Moscow’s perspective, the Russians need to bolster their defenses to protect themselves from NATO expansion” is just a cherry on top. Lmao.
NATO expansion? 😂
If Russia hadn’t threatened Sweden and Finland, neither would have dropped neutrality and joined NATO.
Why? That is the stance Russia has been communicating for years.
And when countries like Germany turn around and say they want the strongest army in Europe and support the idea of spending 200 Billion yearly on defense, that is perceived as a threat.
It is classical security dilemma.
Because they don’t care about NATO nor they fear any kind of invasion they’ve left borders with with countries in NATO empty for three years. Germany is in their right to spend however they want. r*ssia delenda est
Again, this is the stance of Russia, as the NYT reported. Doesnt mean its true. But if the media would only report if politicians say true things, well the news would be rather short.
this is the stance of Russia
This is a flimsy pretext that nobody believes, including the Russians.
Finnish people love metal. I bet it helps them in battle. At least +10 attack.
Finnish Coma-Doof Warriors.
Russians storming a village with nice colorful houses. Suddenly the Deathmetal starts playing.
With what? Motorcycles and Ladas?
The image used here and in the NYT article shows a training ground, these are temporary tents for training troops.
“A likely excuse.”
I seem to remember, training exercises was what they told the initial troops that went into Ukraine was happening. So, while I really doubt they will do anything. That’s really not an indicator either way for Russia.
Fuck putin
My guess is they’re stationing troops up north now that the Ukrainian war is essentially over, I don’t think it’ll lead to a war. If it does, Norway and Sweden (not to mention Baltic states and NATO) have a great interest in defending Finland, and are not like Ukraine
War between Ukraine and r*ssia isn’t over and not even slowing down, what are you even talking about?
Then Russia calls china to help. China enters and starts with Taiwan. USA sits on its orange ass until late in the war (like ww1 and ww2)
China isnt USA, it wouldn’t enter a war halfway across the planet to destroy nations
Largely because they don’t have the capability.
You’re getting downvoted but I think what you need to understand is that China can do nothing, and that still helps Russia. Instead, they are trading with them and keeping their economy afloat. They don’t have to send men/material to help.
Probably trying to keep their valuables far away from Ukrainian drones.
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How many times do we have to teach you this lesson old man!?
I’m just surprised they still have equipment to build up there.
If they’re going to attack a NATO member (humongous if), it definitely isn’t going to be Finland. It’s gonna be one of the Baltic states.
I kinda hope they’d be dumb enough to get their shit kicked in by Finland AGAIN. Gonna find an entire nation of Simo Häyhä’s waiting, this time with javelins and drones.
Yeah they are really forgetting how badly they’ll get their asses beat. Because not only do they have NATO, they have the EU, plus most of the british commonwealth, and so many more countries ready to come fuck their plans up incredibly hard.
gotta be bluster.
Their bases have been about where the tent villages now are for decades. They’re training grounds for new conscripts until they’re moved to die in some ditch in Ukraine. Who knows why they’re more active now, maybe Ukraine is getting pretty good to hit their targets deep in Russia so they need to move further away from the front line or whatever.
This has absolutely nothing to do with Finland, beyond the fact that our border just happens to be nearby. And should they actually try start an active war with NATO from there, these grounds are mostly in reach of Finnish artillery and our artillery is pretty damn efficient on what they do.
they were dumb enough to try it in the winter war.
I somewhat vaguely remember reports from the beginning of the invasion of Ukraine and talks about Finland joining NATO, that the region around Murmansk is a somewhat problematic spot for Russia. They have a huge military presence there and it’s also one of their bases equipped with atomic bombs that threaten the west/NATO. But on the other hand land based access is only possible along the long and thin stretch of land along the Finnish border in an area that presumably is hard to defend.
Murmansk is few hundred kilometers from Finnish border and it’s been there for “a while”, it’s no more bigger problem now than it has ever been. And Norway border is slightly closer than ours and Norway has been a NATO country for quite a while.
Yes, there’s the border to Norway (and thus NATO) nearby. But look at the map. There’s a small part of border with Norway and a huge border with Finland, which was a ‘neutral’ border back then. Now it’s all NATO.
which was a ‘neutral’ border back then
There’s quite a few unmarked graves along that border and immense effort from my countrymen to keep the border where it is. It hasn’t been “neutral” for too long. And being prepared to keep that border where it is plays a part on why our president from a small country is on discussions with Ukraine, EU leaders and that orange clown across the pond today.
Right, it gets into Russia’s navy problem, which they’ve had for centuries and have never had a very good solution. Murmansk is one of the few (only?) ports they have that can reliably get ships out to the Atlantic. Black Sea ports have to go through the narrow channel at Istanbul (controlled by a NATO country, Turkey), and then you have to go through Gibraltar (England) or the Suez Canal (Egypt) (and you’d have to go around Africa if you go that way).
St Petersburg and Kaliningrad are on the Baltic sea, which is surrounded by NATO countries now. Even before then, the narrow opening in the North Sea could be easily blockaded.
Everything else is too far away. The sheer size of the country is both Russia’s greatest defense and their biggest headache.
See also, this Drachinifel video about the Russian Baltic Fleet during the Russian Japanese War, where the fleet traveled the long way around, nearly starts a war with England, shoots up a bunch of civilian vessels and themselves, only to be curb stomped by the fledgling Japanese navy once they finally got there: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Mdi_Fh9_Ag
Yeah, Czar Nicky Two was a bad ruler. Putin has made some boneheaded decisions, but he’s a political genius next to Nicky.
I once told my wife “I love you more than Russia loves warm water ports” and they were absolutely smitten with the nerdiness. Which is why I married them.
This is why they invaded Afghanistan in the first place. Their next step after what they thought would be a quick toodly-doo over the Afghanis was presumably to take a piece out of Pakistan in order to get a warm water port on the Arabian Sea.
It’s also worth noting that you lumped St Petersburg and Kaliningrad together somewhat, but they are vastly different. While St Petersburg has challenges getting to open ocean, it’s not the full-on exclave that Kaliningrad is, completely surrounded on all sides by the baltic states. I’m sure you know all of this, so this is for folks that don’t. It wasn’t entirely clear from the way you worded it.
