- cross-posted to:
- [email protected]
- cross-posted to:
- [email protected]
You must log in or register to comment.
deleted by creator
It’s beautiful, thank you.
i have a “save webp as” firefox extension that is good as well… sorry no link Im too busy
peace and love peace and love
sorry no link Im too busy
Got a chariot race to win or something?
That’s what the movie Ben Hur was about, right?
spoiler
yes… well, its about this guy, you know? his name is ben hur, and his childhood friend from rome comes back to and ben hur wont help him take over his homeland. then tiles fall off of this roof and then the roman guy uses it as an excuse to jail ben hur’s sister and mother to get him to help, but it only makes him freak out. so, he gets consigned to a slave ship where there’s a battle and he saves his captor’s life, which endears him to his captor, so the captor takes him back to rome where he ranks up a bit and has high status as a horse racer in the colosseum. ben hur leaves to go find his old roman buddy and take revenge, and he meets this arab horse trainer (played horribly embarrassingly by a white dude in brown face) and they make friends. ben hur goes back and basically fucks his old slave woman, then challenges the roman dude in a massive horse race where he basically kills him. turns out all this time the mother and sister were in prison they contracted leprosy, so ben hur goes and gets them from the leper colony. jesus is crucified nearby and his blood drips off the cross and cures the mother and sister of leprosy.
its three and a half hours long. its super campy and over-acted. it used to be on tv when my wife was a kid and now we get high and watch it around easter. its fuckin hysterical…
oui, merci
Fuckin why
the situation the meme describes?
It’s a format meant for web browsers. If you want your web browser to ignore performance and focus on universally reusable images, I guess. But that’s me making leaps not in the “meme”
Stop trying to make .webp happen. It’s not going to happen.
It’s already happened.
Found the Google guy
Tap for spoiler
/s
Doesn’t matter who made the format, it’s already widespread.
Maybe we should try to make it happen harder
this post is so git fetch https://github.com/webmproject/libwebp
They use it on their server side to save data, they don’t give a rip if we don’t use it. If they wanted us to use it, they’d have cancelled it already.
Lemmy uses webp for profile pics.
I’m working on a project which generates images in multiples sizes, and also converts to WEBP and AVIF.
The difference in file size is significant. It might not matter to you, but it matters to a lot of people.
Here’s an example (the filename is the width):
Also, using the
<picture></picture>element, if the users’ browsers don’t support (or block) AVIF/WEBP, the original format is used. No harm in using them.(I know this is a meme post, but some people are taking it seriously)
Just use jxl; it is better and not created by shitty googol.
Is the quality the same? If so how do you know? I mean it’s better, I’m just curious.
Tldr: as we deal with a problem long enough we find more effective ways of dealing with it
Has some info on what it does
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/JPEG_XL
Technically details might be more what you are looking for
https://jpegxl.info/resources/jpeg-xl-test-page
And a test page, if you don’t see jxl images then you should look at updating your browser
So you have no hard proof (no critic here, I’m just curious)? Not that it’s better but that your test images has the same quality.
For the rest, thank you for the links and the time but that only explains how the compression works.
If you want to know you could do fourier transform and see which kind of signals are cut out in one for example.
Quality improvements are that you can upload/download it without getting artifacts/pixel bleeding. JXL’s algorithm ensures that it’s a 1 to 1 transfer
But if I draw a stick person 512x512, there isn’t an image format that will make it anymore than it is. That’s why we look at compression
You mean there are no longer the 8x8 jpeg “boxes”?
Yes, other formats have less noticeable deterioration but Jxl fully fixes the issue
There are no browsers with jxl support and won’t be for many years to come.
Again - no browsers support jxl. Firefox “support” is only basic rendering of a few basic features. It’s not just browsers, there is literally no software which fully supports jxl. And won’t be for a long time.
For most of the images that I tried you can only see differences with the images side by side. It’s really subtle.
I do have one example for which my config must be bad, compresses a lot but introduces a lot of noise
I’ve mentioned this topic in regards to animated images, but don’t see as big a reason to push for static formats due to the overall relatively limited benefits other than wider gamut and marginally smaller file size (percentage wise they are significant, but 2KB vs 200KB is paltry on even a terrible connection in the 2000s).
What I really wish is that we could get more browsers, sites, and apps to universally support more modern formats to replace the overly bloated terribly performing and never correctly pronounced animated formats like GIF with something else like AVIF, webm, webp (this was a roughly ~60MB GIF, and becomes a 1MB WEBP with better performance), or even something like APNG…
Besides wider gamut, and better performance, the sizes are actually significant on all but the fastest connections and save sites on both storage and bandwidth at significant scale compared to the mere KB of change that a static modern asset has.
This WEBP is only 800KB but only shows up on some server instances since not every Lemmy host supports embedding them :
Is that last webp animated? Asking because I know jerboa (Lemmy client) doesn’t play animated images
Yea, it’s animated for me on a web client. Looks quite good tbh.
It’s animated for me using Thunder
It’s pronounced GIF
but 2KB vs 200KB is paltry on even a terrible connection in the 2000s).
You still need to resize the images and choose the right ones (even if only for the device’s performance).
So we might as well do that small extra step and add conversion to the process.
What I really wish is that we could get more browsers, sites, and apps to universally support more modern formats to replace the overly bloated terribly performing and never correctly pronounced animated formats like GIF with something else like AVIF, webm, webp (this was a roughly ~60MB GIF, and becomes a 1MB WEBP with better performance), or even something like APNG…
Isn’t that the users’ fault? And of the websites for allowing those huge GIFs.
Apparently browsers have supported MP4 for a long time.
How are you auto converting images to webp?? What is this magic. My company uses Visual Studio 2022 and our creative guy is having to save everything manually in multiple formats. Then our devs put in the webp first with a jpeg fallback, but it’s all so manual.
Funny you call it magic, what actually does the conversion is Imagick.
In my project I have it integrated in the upload process. You upload a PNG/JPG and it does its thing. Since it’s written in PHP (my project), and PHP has an extension to call Imagick, I didn’t need to write any complicated code.
You can see on this page if your programming language of choice has any integration with Imagick.
But there’s always the command line interface. Depending on your process it may be easier to create a script to “convert all images in a folder”, for example.
Very cool. Thanks for sharing!
I’m mad tho! I have technical issues with a format that works for hundreds of millions of users daily with the only impact being their website loads faster! RAGE!
How is the size difference after gzip compression? Probably pretty much the same, but I wonder how large the difference is then. Since a lot of folk make sure the contents is gzipped when served to the user.
Even using the highest compression levels, barely any difference. Not worth it
If I understand correctly gzip, brotli and similar are best used to compress text.
Font files also shouldn’t be compressed. A TTF file compresses a bit, but a WOFF2 file will be even smaller than that (and WOFF2 also doesn’t compress well). So might as well use WOFF/WOFF2
If I understand correctly gzip, brotli and similar are best used to compress text.
Compression algos should be used on uncompressed data. Using them on already compressed data (most video, images, music formats) is generally useless.
Thanks, very interesting results
But why webp over jxl
We already have the solution
Because jxl is a bunch of bollocks. There’s no way it will gain any support any time soon.
Webp is supported in browsers. Jxl is not, unfortunately.
(Well, I have the Firefox extension for it, but most people can’t see them…)
People should still use it tho, with the fallback of webp or avif
Firefox just hasn’t enabled the setting (well they haven’t made the setting enable jxl support yet even though the setting and support has been there for years). This means their forks support it, that’s why I switched to Waterfox
Safari supports it
Chromium removed support for it 2 years ago to push webp but it’s just a reminder to not use Chromium browsers
I don’t know if the client is the issue, but I am using the Voyager android app and this image failed to load
In case you still can’t load the image, for the largest width the JPG file has 229.9KB, WEBP has 123.5KB, AVIF has 72KB.
Works for me with Voyager on mobile.
Now that I view your reply it loaded. It seemed to be another problem. Sometimes images just don’t want to load
Literally just today solved a problem of delivering analytics plots over our internal chat system. The file size limit is 28Kb and I was just getting ready to say screw it, can’t be done.
Lo and behold our chat system that doesn’t support svg does support webp. Even visually complicated charts come in just below the size limit with webp.
Why 28Kb though?
Honestly no idea. It’s funny though. The API allows us to either read it directly from our lakehouse with the 28Kb limit, or allows us to encode it in a json object. It actually recommends using the json method if we want to send larger files… but then complains it’s too large if it’s over 28Kb 🤷♂️
I think it was probably originally only intended to allow attaching icons.
Feels like a bug where someone forgot the 1 in 128kb. What chat app is this?? In Slack, custom emojis can be up to 128kb in filesize
It’s apparently PowerAutomate Adaptive cards.
It’s MS Teams with their PowerAutomate flows from Fabric. The limitation might not exist in the direct rest API, which I could have used through Python; but it’s a hackathon, and my other team mates know PowerAutomate. Faster if we each coordinate using what we’re good with.
What is being implied here? That Website A encourages you to download an image from them in WEBP format, but you cannot then upload that image to Websites B through Z because those sites do not support WEBP?
Not just websites, but software as well. Like image editing software. Which is quite bad.
Here’s the original clip from The Simpsons episode: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g4XZxHXSHko
Yes
Now try to find somewhere which accepts apng or mng. I’ll wait. ;)
I have never heard of those formats.
My point exactly.
Just checked, our very corporate and much antiquated website does accept apng (sadly not publicly visible as it’s b2b only). We do deal with photography though, so we do expect multitude of formats and mostly either pass them unchanged or just feed them to ImageMagick and forget about it. The bane of our existence is mostly DNG which Adobe breaks every year or so by introducing breaking spec changes.
EDIT: Haven’t found a place to even get an mng sample, though. Do you have any?
MNG is a bit of an oddity; it was originally supposed to replace GIF but was itself replaced with PNG, Flash, and SVG. I have no such files available but ImageMagick can supposedly make one out of a number of PNG or JPG files if you’re interested in toying with it.
in my honest opinion, it’s a real shame that webp isn’t widely supported. it’s actually really great: it has awesome lossless compression, it’s so much smaller than a png while not losing any quality, it supports animation and loops, etc. it’s like jpg, png, and gif rolled into one format.
it’s like jpg, png, and gif rolled into one format.
and therein lies the problem.
one tool should do one thing, and do it well.
deleted by creator
Real men use .ico
How many people that are clinging to JPEG are also hating anti-AI people for being “Luddites”?
It seems I pissed off the right kind of people yet again.
“Anti genAI? Move on with the times, boomer!” and then “Why is image not deep fried and can’t be opened in Real Shit Movie Editor 2003?”. (Note: genAI is boomer technology.)
I hate it so much. Just stick to jpg.
Wait am I the only one who actually likes WEBP and is cheering for JPEG to finally die ? 😭
If webp didn’t come from google I might cheer it. I refuse to adopt any standard made by google if I can help it. If google made it, they made it with some reason or ability to alter it that’s nefarious and anti consumer. They wouldn’t make an improved open standard that wasn’t going to allow them to do shady shit.
They made it because better image compression means less storage is required for images. Even if it’s a small upgrade, over trillions of images or exabytes of data saved translates into millions of dollars saved. This is the same thing for the delta format as another example
By making .webp an open standard, more people will use it, thus more space savings will be had by default
That makes it sound like webp is the only option, it isn’t.
I’m sure Google literally doesn’t care, as long as a more effective compression algorithm is used. That’s why they made it an open standard, use whatever you want but don’t demonize .webp unnecessarily
I’m sure google doesn’t …
Said everyone who’s never experienced google doing google things.
Use whatever you want, but remember Google gets to decide what Chrome supports and if Chrome doesn’t support it…
No, I’ve heard there is dozens of you, dozens!
Webp can die. JpegXL is better in every metric and can losslessly compress existing jpeg images. The chromium team has been notably trying to kill JXL because they spent so much time on AVIF and Webp despite neither offer anything close to JXL.
skill issue
deleted by creator
unless they recently changed it you can’t add an image using GOOGLES image format in GOOGLES PowerPoint thing
Happened to me literally last week
This has been an ongoing problem.
Tbh, for myself I either want lossless (eg. professional photographs for an app) or don’t care about size, due to small volume (eg. my own pics and vids) and also kinda want the originals. And in today’s time, bandwidth isn’t lacking (for most people, including me). So everything’s just a png.
As is in the name, the format is meant for web.
Oooh baby I like RAW
Not just any RAW, but a multi exposure DNG!
Always save as RAW
