I mean, it’s more nationalism. Not all conservatisms have been nationalist, and not all nationalism is conservative.
All nationalism is conservative by definition. Nationalism is based on order and cultural/national idealized traits which are the hallmarks of conservatism.
Nationalism and communism have had pretty heavy overlap over the years, even if it didn’t start that way. If you accept communism as being possibly conservative, sure, I guess you could argue that.
Dog, “Communism” as practiced has always been (or at least quickly devolved into) authoritarian conservatism. Idk how that is even a debate. We have not had a successful communist movement yet.
Depends whether you’re talking about Marxism or whatever the fuck the USSR etc. was doing, which was a very different thing.
The Nationalism usually ends when they want cheap labor. Then it’s okay for foreigners to come in, unless they advance their status through hard work economically and socially
That’s actually pretty unusual in the big picture. I’m guessing you’re North American, maybe European? In east Asia, no such thing ever happened, and even in the West, historically (pre-WWII) immigration and free markets were championed by the liberal parties. Ditto from what I know of conservatism in other regions.
In that case they wouldn’t be complaining, most of the international students are in grad school aka some of the cheapest labor available lol.
Yes, but you assume they know literally anything about the academic system at all. They think anybody who works at a university is an “elite”, and is therefore somehow being treated better than them.
Until they graduate
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Having actually worked in academia, though, this actually does have a kind of fucked up capitalist answer (and it really isn’t merit) which is most true in public universities more so than Harvard: international students pay more. A lot more, in fact… so much so that my alma mater of UCLA has marketing campaigns in places like China.
As others point out, though, this isn’t zero-sum. More money theoretically means more subsidized US students (and more seats in general). At UCLA, this is especially true since any Californian making less than a certain amount can pretty much get a free ride (and even if not that, highly discounted tuition). I myself being a beneficiary of that, too, btw.
Now, private schools on the other hand, they probably pocket that cash. USC being my most local example, but I bet Harvard does the pay to win shit, too. I think it’s correct to take issue with how they operate, but MAGA is misleading people as they always do in any form of class warfare.
surely, to a capitalist, having people come to the country for 3-4 years, pay loadsamoney and then leave again is the dream?
I mean, it’s actually healthier to an economy to keep the well trained immigrants but you know how racist af people are. These aren’t just professionals, they’re pre-wealthy professionals and often have seed money to lead start-ups, lol
But racism and xenophobia are self destructive.
So their solution is to make college free for everyone, therefore putting everyone at equal footing where only merit decides admission, right?
Nobody tell this guy he’s advocating for DEI, he’ll have a stroke.
lmao at the idea of any foreign national coming to the US for a medical procedure they could have performed for free at home.
And this dolt is all “yeah, fuck those guys!”
Well damn!
Well to be fair i do see the pictures nt in saying “harvard exists to serve the people here in usa first”.
But that’s not the argument they are really making.
In my many years on this fucking planet, my conclusion is that Conservatives, in many countries, are either selfish (this includes racism I think), gullible or rich. Just takes one, but a mix is not rare at all.
I also thing those traits come or are caused by a lack of introspection, self-awareness or empathy. Not sure what is it exactly, but you can smell a conservative from across the street…
“Rich” is just “selfish” with luck added to it.
To clarify…my concept of “rich” is somebody who has a lot of money, and the majority of it isn’t from a cash salary. Except for the CEOs with 7-digit (or more) cash salaries, not even trying to hide it by a modest salary and a bunch of stock and non-cash perks. Fuck those guys too.
You’re right, being rich basically means that you are selfish and made it.
Just an asshole asking asshole questions
they forget often that women, people of color, etc at one point were “dei” to someone, too. their family, on coming here, was “dei” to someone else already here.
the nation they want is one where genocide is ok, women are nonpersons, young women are brides, and people of color are slaves to be used for profit.
It’s the conservative ideology: they see everything as a zero-sum game. If anyone gets something, whether it’s food stamps, medical care, or a place in a college admission, in their minds, that means it must’ve cost somebody else that thing.
That’s just not how the world works
Well they definitely weren’t taking his spot at Harvard, that’s clear
also being hypocrites when they are frothing at the mouth about food stamps, while they are using food stamps and medicaid themselves. probably the most common diseases amoung conservatives is type 2, and heart disease which also related to having type 2 diabetes, being a very expensive disease. only type 1 is more expensive, but thats a seperate cause.
The moment that you call them out on hypocrisy, you’ve already lost. In conservatism, hypocrisy is only a problem if it can be used as a bludgeon against an opponent. Otherwise, it’s a privilege or something to use to rub it in the face of the out group that one has power over them.
The ideology is fundamentally about rigid socioeconomic hierachies that allow cognitive loads to be outsourced to one’s “betters” and power to be exercised over those lower in the hierarchy. The ideology is almost completely opposed to meritocracy - one is supposed to know the station that they were born into and not try to reach too high. And a fun thing that many moderates and center-left folks still don’t get is that conservative morality is based upon the person and their standing in the hierarchy, not their actions (unless they oppose the hierarchy). This is why they don’t give two shits about electing a convicted felon and rapist. And this is also a major part of why neoliberal centrists do everything that they can to prevent laws from applying to said felon and rapist - as someone high in the socioeconomic hierarchy, he’s supposed to be above consequences for any actions, the laws only apply to their “lessers” (plus, allowing them to be applied would put virtually every career politician at risk of prosecution for the crimes that they’ve committed).
Conservatives are perfectly capable of understanding positive-sum games when they expect the privileged in-group to be the benefactor. What is a labor contract, if not a positive-sum game where the corporation sucks up all the positive gain?
Game theory as a cental tenet of the human condition is a liberal concept, which conservatives will happily discard if it doesn’t suit them. Conservatives may cloak their disapproval in the guise of liberal concerns so that they’re in a stronger debate position in liberal-dominated social circles, but what they’re really upset by is the negation of the conservative world order - a strict hierarchy with narcissistic men at the top of clearly delineated nations, struggling for dominance through pettiness and violence.
They will accept any negative sum game, they will ruin their own livelihoods and their own lives, if only it helps sad little kings of sad little hills.
They will accept any negative sum game, they will ruin their own livelihoods and their own lives, if only it helps sad little kings of sad little hills.
I’m reminded of that book about Authoritarian Personality Types. They did like a model UN / Civilization game kind of thing, where the players represented different countries and could make decisions about policy, war, and so on. There were two groups. Unknown to the players, the people running this experiment put all the people who scored high for authoritarian personality in one group, and everyone else in the other group.
The group with low authoritarian personality scores? Basically everything was fine. They solved the ozone layer crisis. They were solving world hunger. One guy tried to be a dick and the rest of the group brought him in line.
The high authoritarian guys? Nuclear apocalypse. They made them sit in the dark for five minutes to think about what they’d done, and let them have a do-over. They still did a shit job. Petty squabbling. Stealing. Out of control climate crisis.
I don’t think there’s an ethical way to do this in real life, but I do think if you just didn’t allow people with that kind of personality to have any real power, we’d all be much better off.
It’s also possible i mangled the story because I rewrote it here from memory, but I believe it was in this book: https://theauthoritarians.org/
See it’s descriptions like that that make me think conservative ideology is actually a mental health issue, not a political one.
Its a private university you know, they can enrol anyone they like, they don’t “owe” anyone anything.
You forget: conservatives believe that they are entitled to whatever they want
ask them if foreigners buying American products is denying those products to americans
Don’t give them another idiotic justification for the tariff wars.
That’s a bad comparison because it’s generally easier to scale up production lines than it is to increase university capacity.
The most expensive part of product development is the R&D, because that’s where all the university grads go. Manufacturing, on the other hand, can often be automized, and generally only requires basic education. University educators, on the other hand, usually require at least a PhD, and class sizes are limited not only by the number of teaching staff, but also available classrooms, dorm rooms, and, depending on the subject, lab space, all of which is very expensive.
Gaxxz angry! Gaxxz isn’t likely to pass the first educational hurdle to get into a top flight university. I possibly wouldn’t either. Taxes however find metric to make him look clever!
I thought the one saving Grace to American Healthcare was that you get treated no matter what as long as you’re willing to go into crippling debt
You just need to understand how to talk to them:
We bring the foreigners in, give them a first class AMERICAN education and then send them back into the world. They now are effectively a double-agent, preferring to deal with Americans in business, promote American superiority in the world by telling everyone what a badass they are for getting into Harvard, and have been indoctrinated on American values which they then seed into whatever population they are returning to. This is one of America’s effective long term methods of world domination in action and it would be stupid to halt it.
And then make up some fake examples of it paying off big time.
Republicans: Our values are for Americans only! Those immigrants may prefer to deal with us afterwards, but we real Americans prefer to deal with Americans only! The only method for world domination that Americans need is American weapons and American boots on the ground until the only people left alive are Americans only!!!
They don’t understand soft power.
