cross-posted from: https://lemmy.ml/post/30792652
Support for Windows 10 ends on October 14, 2025. Microsoft wants you to buy a new computer. But what if you could make your current one fast and secure again?
If you bought your computer after 2010, there’s most likely no reason to throw it out. By just installing an up-to-date Linux operating system you can keep using it for years to come.
Installing an operating system may sound difficult, but you don’t have to do it alone. With any luck, there are people in your area ready to help!
5 Reasons to upgrade your old computer to Linux:
- No New Hardware, No Licensing Costs
- Enhanced Privacy
- Good For The Planet
- Community & Professional Support
- Better User Control
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Linux has gotten incredibly better for gaming. Now Bluetooth controllers connect just as easy as Windows, and Steam has Proton built in so that when you run a Windows only game, Steam will automatically install the appropriate Proton and Wine software – just make sure to turn on compatibility mode in the Steam launcher settings. Every game I ran so far runs fine on Linux.
It couldn’t be a better time to switch to Linux.
Xpadneo is baked into Ubuntu 25 now? I noticed it was in Fedora 42.
If you can’t switch to Linux for whatever reason, 0patch does security updates for windows versions all the way back to 7 for just $25 or so a year.
I am just going to keep using 10 regardless of whether it has support or not. Yes its missing features yes there is some potential for security issues but I think the chances that my computer on my lan could be remotely compromised to be relatively slim. Other security threats would require that I visit some kind of malicious website or application which I think would be unlikely. I don’t even think running win XP or win 7 on a secure lan would be a significant concern since it is behind a firewall anyway. I do intend to switch to Linux at some point but the lack of support from Microsoft is not enough to convince me to upgrade to 11 or make the switch.
Can I bother anyone in this thread to help with suggestions for a Linux distro that works for a gaming PC that won’t require me to have a computer science degree? I’m not afraid of some troubleshooting here and there, but I’m
kind ofdumb.Edit: I should have known there’d be a shotgun load of different distros, good thing I’ve been gifted with e-“waste” for years, I’ve got some tinkering to do. Hyper-fixation, here I come.
Bazzite is generally the go-to for gaming.
Thank you!
Bazzite is phenomenal. Just know that it works a little differently than what I’d call “legacy” distros. So when googling things, just know that a lot of instructions for Linux won’t work for you.
If you run into trouble, hop on the discord and someone will help you.
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I’d say anything mainstream and not esoteric should do the trick. I’m talking Ubuntu, PopOS and so on.
My partner is currently running PopOS. They somehow managed to combine the chronically outdated Ubuntu packages with a rather counterintuitive UI.
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oh… never actually tried it myself. welp too bad, it seemed like a fair distro to check out. nvm…
I’m on PopOS and my experience is the exact opposite. I love the UI- it’s the main thing I like about it actually. Never had an update fail.
I don’t use gamescope, just run everything from Steam or Heroic and never had an issue gaming.
YMMV
Yes, most times gamescope isn’t required. Thing is, sometimes it is and not having the option is an inconvenience in the best case and makes games unplayable in the worst case.
I just looked it up and people are saying you can install the Ubuntu PPA with no issues.
It may not be (probably isn’t) the latest release, but that option exists at least. I’m glad I never had to use it. What games have you had to use it for? Do you have an AMD GPU or Nvidia?
I just wanted people to know that not everyone thinks Pop-os is shit. Part of the issues you experienced may have been due to the fact that they are currently hard at work writing their own DE (Cosmic) using Rust and they are waiting on that to be finished before upgrading to the newest LTS release of Ubuntu. We are currently still on 22.04.
If you want all of your software packages to be on the bleeding edge, I wouldn’t recommend PopOs. But I definitely would recommend it for someone who just wants a solid distro and doesn’t ‘have a computer science degree’.
YMMV, but from my personal experience using it for almost a year now it’s been rock solid.
Edit: I just realized that my post said “Don’t use gamescope” when what I meant to say was “I don’t use Gamescope.” I wasn’t intending on advising people not to use it. My bad.
Edit2: I also forgot that I stopped using “Pop!_Shop” for updates and software search. That was getting really slow. I would advise your partner install the “COSMIC Store” instead, it’s way better :)
I installed mint on a new laptop recently and it was completely painless. To be fair I’ve used Linux before but it’s been over a decade and I didn’t have any major hiccups. I installed steam and was playing games within 15 minutes of finishing the install. The UI is very familiar and comfortable for windows users and the entire ux seems to be designed around not making you use the terminal unless you have to. I highly recommend trying it out.
Maybe Q4OS, but if you a Gamer, which want to play the most recent games (logically in a Gaming PC), Linux sadly isn’t the best option, the most modern games are Windows only, the advantages of Linux are others. In this case the best option is to use Linux in dual boot with Windows. I hope that it change in the future.
My journey was: Kubuntu -> Tuxedo OS -> Garuda Linux.
Kubuntu was painful, lots of issues. Maybe just got unlucky, but cannot recommend it.
Tuxedo OS was phenomenal until I bought a GPU. Then stuff broke left and right. I wasn’t able to get Steam to launch anymore so I switched.
Garuda Linux is the one I still use. I had it for 53 days and had no severe issues to date. There’s still a bunch of stuff that needs ironing out, but that’s the case with all Linux distros, it’s never “fire and forget” like Windows, in my experience.
I chose Garuda because it’s advertised as “the Linux for gamers”. It’s packed with extra goodies that make life easier - you can pick and choose popular apps to be installed right away (things like Lutris, Steam, Heroic Launcher, Proton, Vivaldi browser), and you get an application that helps with maintenance.
The only major issue I had was due to my ignorance (but I kind of blame it on the OS because it was supposed to be “noob friendly” and this bit was very much not so) - just after installation and updates you’ll get the system maintenance app ask you to “merge pacdiff files”. This shows up a comparison window of two files, and if you’ve never used Linux you have no clue what’s going on. When you get that, just don’t overwrite the one on the right with the one on the left - you’ll break the entirety of your package manager. :D
Other than that: I’m having a great time. The OS looks pretty, games run great. 9/10
If you bought your computer after 2010, there’s most likely no reason to throw it out.
Frist of all, how dare yo u
The average retail store where I live is still selling computers with 6+ years old CPUs as “gamer edition”.
That was only 14nm+++.
I need Microcenter to branch out internationally so these retailers can finally stop this bullshit tactic.
I just toss it in a lake so the fish can have internet.
Coral habitat
Ain’t no coral in lakes!
Technicalities
Corel draw joke in there somewhere
Excel is the most important tool I need for my work. :/
LibreOffice?
LibreOffice is good as a standalone software, if you’re not looking for MS Office compability. I use LibreOffice, and my sister suddenly ask me to help edit their MS Office document. It was nightmare. There are a lot of hidden gotchas that rarely reported. It’s absolutely not recommended to constantly changing software if you’re editing your document.
Also, at the moment, Excel has more advance feature than LibreOffice Calc.
did you try running excel on wine?
I have not and I’ve heard it works, but it seems to defeat the purpose of switching. :(
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it doesn’t.
you’re free from Windows and you can still use Excel which is necessary for your work.
LibreOffice has LibreCalc. It’s free and there’s a Windows version you can try.
IIRC there is browser support for excel
Yeah but it sucks and has nowhere near the same level of festurs
It’s pretty bad at anything with large amounts of both data and formulas.
As an example, if you try to make a spreadsheet for managing resources of any basic Colony Sim game (something with a list of items and recipes to turn them into other items and keep track of quantities), then you’re already beyond the computing capacity of the browser based excel.
To be fair, if you’re using large amounts of data and formulas as a power user, you should probably be instead writing some python or something to handle CSVs.
As for your particular example, LibreCalc would work just fine.
There is web support, but it lacks most actually useful functions. Libreoffice is great, but is not 1:1 compatible with excel. Then there’s Onlyoffice, which is very compatible, but also lacks many functions.
Bottom line is, if you’re an excel power user, you’ll need to learn Libreoffice Calc, or you’re out of luck. If not, Onlyoffice should suffice.
if you’re an excel power user, you’ll need to learn Libreoffice Calc
Let’s be honest…most people who are Excel power users probably need to interact with other users. Sending and receiving documents and templates, etc. Simply learning Calc yourself isn’t going to suffice, you’d have to convince your entire business to switch.
Your logic is spot on, and it does apply to most power users, but not to all.
Everyone has a different use case and experience, I think we speak based on our own experiences.
I believe OnlyOffice may be problematic from an ethical perspective if I remember correctly because of Russia or something. But it’s FOSS, has a linux desktop version, and its compatibility with Excel has been absolutely rock solid for me.
As you said, it’s FOSS, so why would its country of origin cause ethical problems?
I don’t know much about OpenOffice, but virtually all open source apps are developed by specific individuals who ask for donations or get paid for enterprise use. If you just download and use the app quietly, there’s probably no problem, however, if you talk about it to anyone, you’re promoting it and that may lead to others donating, generating more visibility, leading to more contracts, and so on.
Yes, but it’s considerably slower and extremely frustrating to use for a power user.
Not FOSS but maybe this might work for you: https://www.freeoffice.com/en/
Interesting! Thanks.
No problem! FOSS alternatives are really good as an office suite on their own but when it comes to Excel, things might go tricky. I hope they’re as compatible as they claim.
I’m seriously considering trying to become a contributor.
Well, they appreciate any kind of contributions. Thanks for considering this.
Or run it on Win10 VM. I don’t think MS will drop support for Office apps on Win10 for some time at least.
Definitely another option.
It’ll probably work for a good decade or two before it goes out of date. They still need to support the enterprise LTS version, which I think includes excel.
Is there some easy way to find devices that don’t support win 11 on ebay? Hoping for cheap laptops for surfing.
sort by cpu model or filter by no os. windows has a list of unsupported cpu models, but the vast majority of stuff getting dumped on eBay is corporate salvage. an older Thinkpad or used G3 workstation is (65 - 80$). 20$ SSD and you should be good to go. if you’re in a pinch for cash, an old monitor and thin client can be under 60$, m+k under 10$.
Well, my niece and nephew do need a minecraft machine… 🤔
Alright, what do people like for gaming? And can I play helldivers on it?
For gaming you can just use steam. You can see which game works and the corresponding distributions/configurations on ProtonDB; Helldivers 2 get’s a GOLD status (https://www.protondb.com/app/553850).
Steam OS is out on desktops now?
You don’t need SteamOS to play games via Steam on linux. Just use any linux distro (preferably one that supports newer gaming hardware), install Steam, go to Settings > Compatibility and “Enable Steam Play for all other titles”. There’s a drop-down that let’s you choose different Proton Versions (some work better than others, hence the config-reviews on ProtonDB to see what works).
Hmm Windows 10 LTSC and IOT will still be supported until 2027.
Debian Trixie, now is the time to shine, release soon please.
You can already switch to it though. Why wait?
Maybe he made a typo and meant Debian 13
Yeah, Trixie is Debian 13, that said, Debian 12 is perfectly capable, and Arch is already better on a Gaming PC anyway.
Arch is already better on a Gaming PC anyway.
I may agree because it’s easy to get gaming packages on Arch(i use a arch based distro cachyos with chaotic aur repos)
Not that I’m against doing this, but just so people are aware, running LTSC or IoT is essentially a violation of EULA unless your license of Windows is Enterprise or Education. Home and Pro aren’t valid for this. Yes, there are activation scripts available online, but personally, if Microsoft doesn’t want me to run Windows, it’s their loss, not mine.
https://remedybg.itch.io/remedybg
I’m currently using this software, what kind of replacements do I have for it on Linux, that have an actual GUI, and not just command line?
There are probably loads of debugging software on Linux, also probably the one you are using will run just fine through wine.
What if I want to develop for Linux?
Lots of open source tools for that too.
If anyone is interested to try out Linux distros, you can do it in your web browser at https://distrosea.com/
The only thing keeping me on Windows is Teamcraft for FFXIV. It has packet capturing on Windows, but not on Linux because of the way they’re doing packet capturing. There have been people who claim to get it working, but it’s still not 100%. I could even use plugins to get ACT (DPS meter) working, but sadly no plugins for Teamcraft…
What do you use it for?
My main game: final fantasy XIV. It takes packets so I don’t have to put in the items I have each time when I want to craft and lets me know what inventory they’re in.
Don’t let this hold you back.
Legitimately it’s this and COD that keep Win10 LTSC on one of my drives it’s that useful for the game
That’s interesting because pcapping is definitely not some windows exclusive feature, and the means are pretty transferable. I wonder what the hold up is.
Yea, that’s very weird. It’s open source so anyone could make changes to it, but still.
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The game uses wine, but the packet capturing just doesn’t work.
I worked on this myself: there’s no way to get it working no matter what anyone says they managed to get working
You can force team craft to run on the same wine prefix (XIV launcher makes that ezpz) and everything fancy related to that and it just doesn’t work
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Why 2010, is it cause of 64bit processors?
I believe it’s TMP 2.0 support
I assume it was a generalization, just few weeks ago I installed 32-bit Linux Mint to two laptops from 2007 or 2008, now my kids have their very own and fully functional computers. They do lag a bit sometimes, but learning patience is just good for the kids.
The other nice thing about Linux is that there are several Live versions you can try out on your computer without making any changes to your Windows installation.
This also lets you see if check and see if Linux fully supports your hardware (just in case you have a weird network or audio card). If the Live version of Linux works, the installed version will, as well.
Most installers let you set up a dual boot on the same hard drive, too.
I love this. I recently set up a “Linux flight” with various distros on a bunch of thumb drives to test drive the latest. I decided to stay Kubuntu but it made experimenting so quick and easy.
I have some friends and family that cant upgrade from Windows 10, so I’m going to keep the flight and walk them through trying out some personally selected distros.
Using Steam, Heroic, and Bottles you can even run Windows software almost perfectly, too. There’s never been a better time for regular folks to make the switch.
There are tools for enabling one to save a bunch of ISOs on a single USB thumb drive so that you don’t need a whole fleet of thumb drives. One such tool is called Ventoy, and there’s another one out there, although its name escapes me atm.
Oh, I will check that out. Thanks for the tip!
Even if your audio or WiFi card doesn’t work automatically in the live environment, that doesn’t necessarily mean that you are out of luck either. My WiFi card manufacturer doesn’t support Linux (Last thing I buy from them), but I was able to find a driver that was built by the community for a very similar product that works flawlessly.
This may be more complex than some people are willing/able to solve, just wanted to put that out there for people who can so they aren’t discouraged by a bad experience with a live distro.
You can still install a 32 bit distro on your pc but it’s not that common (For example: LMDE)
