at night with brights. how about 10mph until they rage on by.
Important context is missing. If traffic is light and you’re cruising in the passing lane at the same speed as the rest of traffic, get out of the passing lane.
Edit: I’m enjoying the upvote/downvote ratio. 1/4 of people feel justified in creating a rolling roadblock. The other 3/4 of people would like them to change lanes.
Why the hell is speeding so normalized?
Because people don’t like to obey rules mostly
Because most speed limit zones have little to do with public safety and more to do with enforcing monetary ticket infractions.
But tailgating is and will always be a dick move
And why the hell is effectively running stop signs and red lights so normalized too?
If you are in America, its because our police fucking suck. There are no consequences until an accident happens.
Yup, US; and yup our police are mostly worthless or worse. I’ve never seen consequences even for DUI offenders.
I haven’t seen this in Sweden, while speeding is fairly common.
That makes sense, this is what I see in the selfish US. Be vigilant and keep your country and cultural mindset the way it is or better.
This.
I drive by the limit, and every time I say this a bunch of folks jumps in saying I am the problem when I stop my lane and poor poor speeders have to adapt and not crash into each other.
Speed limits are there for a reason. Speeders love to say shit like “they’re outdated”, but this is also wrong, they are up to date with vehicles on the road.
Drive. By. The. Damn. Limit. Those who installed them are more informed than you about risks and dangers on this track, and no, your car brakes are not as good as you think they are (and also there’s likely someone behind you with worse ones).
Technically speaking, speed limits are set for worst conditions.
As in very rainy, very windy, poor visibility, etc.
So no, in your day to day life in ideal conditions — you do not need to follow the speed limit. Am I saying go double the speed limit? No. 10 miles above the speed limit is fine, though.
That being said, people who tailgate others can go fuck themselves. There’s never a good reason to be so close behind another car.
For worst conditions, it’s a common recommendation to slow down even further.
You do not want to drive by the limit when the road is slippery, the side wind blows your car away, and visibility is 10 feet.
Nah. Drive by the flow of traffic.
Unobservant people who are “following the rule” in dynamic situations usually create more danger than people adapting to the situation.
Especially when they get all the way in the left lane to drive 65mph while others are passing them on the right.
The danger is created in the first place by normalization of speeding.
I am aware that, technically, if I’d drive by traffic at any given time, accidents will be less likely. But this danger of variable speed is not created by me moving too slow, it’s because of others moving too fast, because speeding is normalized in the first place, which introduces the problem that wouldn’t otherwise be there. The lane speed should be within bounds of speed limit, the rest is not and should never be my problem or fault.
Now, don’t get me wrong, if my actions can prevent an actually imminent accident (such as speeding up to let someone return to lane before reverse traffic traps them) - of course I will. But for regular driving, I strictly adhere to the rules and regulations. If this gets someone who breaks the rules in an accident - that’s on them, maybe it’ll teach them a lesson.
The “normalization of speeding” is because human beings didn’t evolve to travel at the speeds available to anyone with a driver’s license. In other words, you’re asking for a revision of human nature, which is simply not a practical solution. What would be practical is a system of public transportation that makes individual cars moot, or at least less of an intrinsic necessity, but in the US, there are moneyed interests who will fanatically push back on any alternate options. Car makers, insurance companies, bars and restaurants, and even the “healthcare” industry all profit from people having to own a car and use said car to navigate living in this country. You’d need to provide a broad and low-cost alternative, while dismantling those entrenched interests to make a new paradigm stick.
So, in the meantime, it sounds like your driving habits are stick-in-the-mud and you likely create impediments to the flow of traffic, as others adapt around your unwillingness to modify behaviors to the situation. The fact that you see yourself as some kind of shining example of driving purity and hope that other drivers get into an accident as some weird punitive recourse is really troubling. Maybe you should talk to a professional about your moralistic judgementalism and anger issues.
No, I’m asking drivers to follow the rules designed to make driving safer, which is something a human is fully capable to do - and does whenever repercussions appear, like near the speed cams. If controlling that means installing speed cams at every corner, I’m all in. As long as it’s not that, we have what we have to enforce those limits.
I also fully support and actively use public transportation and only engage in driving when necessary (which is actually quite little).
And please, do not jump to the conclusion about someone’s mental health based on a comment on the Internet, this is rude and likely inaccurate. All I strongly state there is that it is insane to blame someone who follows the rules on the road instead of those who routinely break them out of habit and convenience.
Hmm. Well, I can explain it to you, but I can’t comprehend it for you.
You believe that you are right, and can’t, or won’t consider that you could be applying an overly rigid perspective to a problem that requires a great deal of flexibility. Moreover, you seem fixated on punishing those who “break rules.” That’s simply not a very effective way to affect change across human society.
Best of luck to you.
Because on a lot of highways the speed limit is a joke. The 4 lane one I take to work is completely straight for like 30 miles and they have it set at 60mph. Many vehicles can (and do) easily go 80-90 on that without an issue. Proper lane usage and adhering to a safe following distance are far more important in terms of safety. There shouldn’t even be a speed limit in my opinion considering the wide variety of vehicles on the road. It’s pretty simple, drive as slow as you want just do it in the correct lane unless you’re passing. Signal. Pass in the passing lane. Don’t tailgate.
If they need to write tickets for revenue they can get people for cruising in the wrong lane all day long.
I wish vehicles made it harder to go above 65 MPH.(Like a mandated regulation to have the foot pedal feel harder to push past 65). Like I want to save money in this economy. Going above 65 is mostly a complete waste of money and will more likely than not save less than a minute or none at all because we all will hit the same red lights on the city streets. I hate how normalized we all become to it. I now mostly drive city streets with either electric vehicle or electric bike. Rent is criminally expensive, people really expecting me to waste money driving 75 on the highway? Fuck that
in a multi lane highway, nobody expects you to be blazing when you’re on the outside lane. people only get pissed when you’re driving limit on the inside lane. if u wanna drive comfortably, just use the right lanes so people can pass you if they want. if it’s a single lane highway, don’t give a shit about others as long as you’re not way under the limit. there are almost always overtake sections of those highways where you see the “slower traffic use right lane”.
plus, there are roads with limits higher than 65 all over the place and there are recreational things you might want to do with your car.
I already am, don’t worry, plenty of people like to ride my ass, even when we can’t go any faster.
Maybe if you have a short commute. I can knock 15-20 minutes off my driving if traffic is light. That time is more valuable than the extra pennies I’d save on gas by driving slower. Why do you need the medal to tell you when you are pushing past 65? Just watch your speed.
Plus saving pennies on gas? Sorry but that is the nature of a gas vehicle. They have a really short window of mpg between granny driving and rocketing at 75+.
I calculated it plenty. when driving 65 MPH, the air resistance is good enough for you to get 28 to 30 mpg. Let’s keep it simple and just say 30 mile trip. At 75+ MPH, your efficiency starts taking a major hit. You will likely be traveling at 25 MPG. That is a +20 percent increase on gas consumption. If you think of it, that is a consistent 18% to 20% loss on gas.
At $3.50/g(my current market) with an additional 20% increase of fuel usage so, $3.50 * 1.2 = $4.20
For a 15 gallon tank, you are burning $63 worth of fuel on average.
While on electric vehicle, it depends on types of charging. If you have solar then it’s free, I don’t. If you have simple home charger, my current rate is 20 cents per kWh. If you fast charge, then it is 50 to 60 cents per kWh.
Most of the time I am getting between 3.5(above 65 MPH) to 4.5(below 65 MPH) Miles per kWh. With 30 mile trip that is 8.57 kWh to 6.67 kWh usage. This helps translate to cost of gas because 1 gallon at 65 MPH is about 30 miles. So if I do only home charging that is $1.70 to $1.33 for electric. Fast charging that is about $4.70 to $3.67 for just the 30 miles.
15 gallons of gas can get you 375 miles at 25 MPG, or 450 at 30 MPG. Remember $63 for driving at 25 MPG vs $52.5 for driving at 30 MPG. With electric driving, to get 375 mile at 3.5 miles per kWh or 450 miles at 4.5 miles per kWh. we can translate them over.
(Above 65 MPH) 375/3.5 = 107.15 kWh * $0.20 = $21.42
(Below 65 MPH) 450/4.5 = 100 kWh * $0.20 = $20.00(Above 65 MPH) 107.15 kWh * $0.55 (fast charge) = $58.92
(Below 65 MPH) 100 kWh * $0.55 = $55.00See now how crazy expensive that becoming for gas while electric is barely taking a hit? Makes little difference for electric vehicles, but gas? That is not pennies.
I tested this on my car as well. I gain about 3 MPG by using the cruise control and adhering to the speed limit vs. Just driving how I want. It’s not worth the difference. Changing to shitty tires was a bigger hit to my MPG than that.
That is pretty significant difference between what I had experienced, i guess not much more mpg for your vehicle for you vs my own eco vehicle. sorry your car doesn’t experience more efficiency gains. I am good where I am at. My suggestion wasn’t to stop you from achieving what would be higher speeds but rather you will feel the gas pedal be much harder to push. That is all
Too bad going electric is so cost prohibitive, living situation prohibited, and so on… Hard to put a charger in an apartment for example.
It is just plain math, we all living with what we can do. If you are stuck with gas, I hope you can save up cash for a house. My sister finds houses for rent that are about the same rental cost as an apartment. I also found apartments that have a garage for me to park into. Similar rent cost but added 150/m probably not going to save money on gas but at least there are options my family has found to accommodate our needs.
At the end of the day, driving electric or riding my bike, I save enough cash that I am able to save 150 to 300 a month.
Distance where going 75mph vs 65mph is 15min faster:
(d / 65mph) - (d / 75mph) =.25h
75d / 4875 - 65d / 4875 = .25
10d = .25 * 4875
d = .25 * 4875 / 10 = 121.875 mi
Pretty long commute
I was assuming the 15 time savings is two way, or else 120 miles one way is just insane and abnormal to expect from others. He can go cry me a river.
Ha, what kind of commute are you doing cross country? That is a wildly long commute. If you find that you need to do 50 to 60 mile commutes then it’s not the norm here. Most of my commutes are within 5 to 25 miles. Driving on the highway at 75 saves as I said, with 1 minute or none at all just because I will hit the same red lights at the same time as others, mind you I do notice when someone flies past me on the fast lane and we reach the same exit ramp stop light.
The pedal isn’t telling you, it’s basically making it so that you have to consciously push harder to go faster.(A natural deterrent to those who like to just push the car faster and faster without feeling).
Sorry if you like going fast, and your unnaturally long commute is required. I rather save money instead of living like I never can save any money. Prices went up, I felt the economy lose control. You think Trump is going to lower them? Not really confident in that myself.
I will hit the same red lights at the same time as others, mind you I do notice when someone flies past me on the fast lane and we reach the same exit ramp stop light.
Maybe over a short distance you will. Even then they’d be at the front of the line instead of stuck behind who knows how many idiots that are going to be staring at their phone when the light switches and cause you to get stuck behind it for a second time.
We are now discussing what ifs, and honestly that is valid. Still not worth it in my book. Rather blame the traffic controllers who don’t check to make sure all cars are going through the light or straight up there is just too much traffic which isn’t solved by everyone driving 75+ MPH. It is solved if we instead offer better public transportation. At the end of the day we have different views here. I firmly believe in my own and do not think it is going to change anytime soon.
The nice thing about my view is that it doesn’t preclude you from adhering to yours. Everyone can go exactly as fast as they want as long as they utilize the different lanes properly.
Like I want to save money in this economy. Going above 65 is mostly a complete waste of money and will more likely than not save less than a minute or none at all because we all will hit the same red lights on the city streets.
Then drive in the general purpose lane on the right AKA the “slow lane”. If anybody is mad at you for driving slowly in the slow lane, they are stupid and you shouldn’t trouble yourself over them.
Just don’t do it in any other lane, and you’re fine.
I’m pretty sure those who have set it at 60mph have calculations you didn’t consider.
Maybe there are places on the road where someone may suddenly appear, be it human or a wild animal? Maybe the road can get slippery? Maybe the cars going above 60mph create too much noise in the neighborhood? There are many more reasons one could set a road at that, and many may not even come to your mind.
And no, this is almost certainly not about tickets. If it is - screw them and follow the rule!
Had one doing that while I was going the same speed as the 10 cars in front of me on the highway during traffic time. He was flashing his lights and when there was an opening on my right he changed lane and then I saw… The guy was in a full size truck and was pulling a 20’ trailer and was trying to pass me on the right and squeeze between me and the car in front of me so he would have been stuck behind them instead. I didn’t give him enough space, he got back behind me even more angry than before and 3km later reached his exit so he wouldn’t have saved a single second if I had let him through.
It’s crazy to me how many pickup trucks with trailers drive so recklessly, it’s like they don’t know they are hitching something. I see other cars being accommodating to them by slowing down more than usual to let them merge in.
I’ve seen one stuck sideways on the highway with his trailer flipped on its side and another driving in the middle of the night in the fog without any working lights on the trailer… Maybe they should require an exam before you can tow…
Was driving on the highway and it was packed. It wasn’t stop go, but we were under the speed limit with cars lined up as far as you can see.
I look in my review and I can’t even see the headlights of the guy behind me over my bumper. (I’m in a sedan, not a high bumper by a long shot). This is a dangerous situation so I ease off the gas and move over as soon as I get a chance.
This guy then proceeds to pass me, move in front of me, and slow down. I’m sorry, I thought you were in a rush considering how much you were riding my ass, but looks like you have plenty of time to be an asshole.
Next gap in the left lane and I pull over and accelerate, he doesn’t have room to get in front of me, and doesn’t have room to get behind me again due to all the cars.I have no idea how long he had to wait to get back into the left lane, but for someone so impatient he was very effective at wasting his own time.
this always makes me think about logic and math.
speed limit is 70. that INCLUDES the passing lane. if I am passing someone who’s going 65, at most I can go 70.
I am NOT camping in the passing lane. I’m just not willing to get pulled over and possibly shot. Guy behind me can deal with it.
Would probably be best for overall traffic efficiency and safer for you too to slow down to that 65 than pass going 70
sure in the same way it would to just stay home.
I meant more in the traffic situation but if that’s an option for you then sure why not
no see i meant the ass who expects me to speed to pass someone because they drive like they gotta poop and are holding a mug of hot soup at the same time.
stop. speeding. washing your blood off the road is keeping me from sleeping back at the station.
i meant the ass who expects me to speed to pass someone
In the situation you described that’d be pretty much everyone. 70 vs 65 would be a bit ridiculous.
right. if i am going 70, passing someone going 65, and someone zoops up trying to do 80 they can wait until I move back over.
It’s just that passing so slow and when the limit is 70 makes it a bit dangerous to you (and others) since you know that others aren’t going to be traveling at that speed or passing that slowly.
Would be less of an issue if someone was going 50 and you were passing at the speed limit at 70.
It’s the same when there’s a BMW, Audi or MB behind you. You can’t go fast enough to get them in your neck.
I’ve had people tailgate me in the right lane for miles before deciding to pass, even with a completely open left lane. And it’s usually a pickup.
most people are brain dead cruise control zombies. i stay as far away from all cars on the highway as possible.
… there’s nothing wrong with cruise control
no there isn;t. there’s a problem with zombie drivers though
Why not just pull into the empty left lane and have them pass on the right? One less thing for you to think about.
Because the safest thing for everyone is to drive predictably, and that means following the rules and you don’t pass in the right lane.
Being able to drive safely also means being able to prioritize. It’s not to anyone’s benefit to be so blinded by the rules that you’d drive into a brick wall if one appeared in the road.
Spineless drivers are nearly as dangerous as arrogant drivers.
Who said anything about being spineless.
FYI, everyone who drives near you hates you.
Definitely not true. I drove a cab for 12 years, it went great. I don’t tailgate, I don’t get in people’s way, and I don’t drive like a feckless confused imbicile.
you don’t pass in the right lane
Unless you’re in Houston, where you often get passed on the right even when you’re in the right-most lane.
I did this recently, scared the shit out of them and they quickly found a spot to turn off and park. I think they thought I was trying to do some kind of pit maneuver to get behind them or something, when I just wanted them off my ass.
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Move out da way
I’m a school bus driver and I love to be tailgated … because I can’t even see a fucking car when it does this. I don’t know what these dipshits imagine they’re accomplishing.
Time to engage cruise control on exactly the speed limit.
You bet your sweet ass if youre driving like a dick, im slowing down. Flash your light? I flash the little red ones on the back of my car to let you know that i saw you. Every time your lights come on, so do mine!
that’s just how i drive normally, makes life very easy. only costs a couple minutes.
I do +5, just below fine limit. Haven’t had one in years.
On most cars I’ve used that would mean a real speed of around 4-5 km/h under the actual limit.
The one thing that I really care about is consistency. If you want to do 60 in a 65 on the hwy, and you’re in the right lane, that’s fine. What I hate more than most things is when you pass me doing 75 in a half mile, and then I pass you again after that. I hate that so much, I just want consistency and predictability.
Couldn’t agree more. Consistency and predictably; I wish more people would think - and drive - like that.
I used to have a longish commute on the highway and would use cruise control the entire way. It’s bizarre how often I’d encounter some that we would pass each other 3 times because they can’t decide what speed that want to go at. My speed hasn’t changed.
This but me going the legal limit on an e-scooter on a road-bikelane with a truck riding half of the lane right behind me.
The left lane is for active passing. It’s not a long distance cruising lane. If you have someone behind you, be courteous and let them pass. It’s not that hard.
If you think this post is about being tailgated in the passing lane, instead of the crazy amount of (usually truck) drivers that tailgate in every lane and on every road, then it’s very likely you are the problem being discussed.
Yes, in theory, everyone should be in the middle lane at all times except when actively passing the car in front of them, and they shouldn’t use the left lane as a, “fast lane.” In practice, virtually everyone uses the passing lane as a fast lane, and dropping in and out of the right lane over and over again is going to create more traffic than just staying in your lane.
Sure, if someone is barely going faster than the middle lane, and there’s no one in front of them, then they’re being a lane hog and need to move over. But if there are multiple cars in the passing lane, all going significantly faster than the middle lane, then that’s just the speed of traffic and you need to accept that. Just because the passing lane isn’t passing as fast as you’d like, that doesn’t mean you’re justified in forcing a car to change lanes every 50 feet.
The driving lane is the rightmost lane. All other lanes on the left of it are for passing. Do not just cruise in the middle lane. You exacerbate the problem.
No, that is not correct. The rightmost lane is for slower vehicles and exiting. The middle lane is often called the travel lane because it’s the one you’re meant to be in when cruising.
Yes so then in areas of height limited lanes where there are 3 lanes, a semi-truck can only travel in the middle lane unless exiting or entering? Makes total sense…
I suppose on a 2 lane everyone travels in the left lane, because the right one is to exit and enter too. Yup. No existence of a merging lane designed to get up to the speed of flowing traffic. Nope.
In areas of height limited lanes, you should follow the directions regarding height restrictions no matter what. That’s common sense. In most states, 2 lane highways treat the left lane as the passing lane and the right lane as the travel lane (though people seem to mostly just travel in the left lane anyway). On a three lane highway, the left lane is for passing, the middle lane is for cruising, and the right lane is for vehicles that are exiting, entering, or otherwise need to go below the speed limit. The right lane should not be used for cruising when there are three or more lanes. Check with triple A if you don’t believe me
No wonder NA has traffic issues 😂
Exactly. There’s a difference between ideal operation and practical reality. In reality, three-lane highways induce three lanes full of cars. And if I’m going 80 in a 60 in the left lane, the guy behind me going 90 can fucking relax. Likewise I’m not getting bent out of shape by the guy in front of me who is also going 80. We’re all going really really fast, as is.
Yeah, and if you want to be even more technical, most states only allow you to go 10 to 15 mph over the speed limit when passing, and then expect you to return to the middle lane and resume driving the speed limit when done. Some don’t even allow that exception, which means you can (presumably) only use the left lane if the car in front of you is driving slower than the speed limit. No one uses the lanes this way, least of all the people who justify tailgating because, “the left lane is for passing.” If the left lane is going significantly faster than middle lane, as you said, “fucking relax.”
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No, that’s incorrect. For example, here’s a law from Minnesota that explicitly states you may exceed the posted speed limit by up to 10 mph when passing:
Subd. 2a.Increased speed limit when passing.
Notwithstanding subdivision 2, the speed limit is increased by ten miles per hour over the posted speed limit when the driver:
(1) is on a two-lane highway having one lane for each direction of travel;
(2) is on a highway with a posted speed limit that is equal to or higher than 55 miles per hour;
(3) is overtaking and passing another vehicle proceeding in the same direction of travel; and
(4) meets the requirements in section 169.18.
Not every street has multiple lanes
If I’m on a road that isn’t the highway and someone is tailgating me I literally just pull over and wave them by. Same with people blasting me with their high beams. It is infinitely safer.
don’t know why you’re getting downvoted for this. probably because lemmy is full of children that never learned how to drive.
bro still thinks hes on reddit
It always seems like white dudes in pickup trucks are the biggest assholes in the world
they give white women in SUVs a run for their money
(disclaimer am white woman. don’t drive SUV tho. moped/ebike)
Especially when there’s a free passing lane.
