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Big respect.
Wishing them success next time
Okay, that’s definitely suicidal though. Like, is she actually expecting to get through? The Israelis are executing medics and children over there.
Let’s not call being ready to give your life for a cause being suicidal. Desperate, sure, but not that
I don’t think the expectation is they will get through. The goal is to create a scandal that will increase international attention and pressure to make them stop.
If they hurt Greta I predict there will be a lot of backlash due to her fame and popularity.
Also a great way to interconnect the climate and Palestinian struggles
I don’t think sinking this aid vessel would do anything to change the public conversation. The people who are aware already either condemn Israel or support the genocide. The unaware will not care about a handful more dead innocents.
The bottom line is that Israel is openly and proudly committing atrocities and the international community is not willing to stop it. Only a military intervention could dissuade the IDF.
Stop giving Israel weapons that enable them to commit their murders, and they’ll stop.
They are making plenty of those themselves though.
With imported fuel, metal and more advanced parts.
Yes, of course, but I believe a broader trade embargo will be even harder to sell than a weapons embargo.
Publicly murdering a well-known pretty white girl is the kind of thing that might get the public on-board with military intervention
“she shouldn’t have been there anyways”, “must have been the houthis with their magic long-range rockets”, etc etc.
Good on her for standing up to what she believes in… but I don’t really see it changing anyone’s opinions if she’s unfortunately murdered, but I hope I’m just pessimistic.
If they hurt Greta I predict there will be a lot of backlash due to her fame and popularity.
There will be a lot of “thoughts and prayers”, a lot of “how dare you”, also lots of “this is a diplomatic incident” sprinkled with maybe sanctions if ever… and that’s it, just words.
I hope i’m wrong.Hasn’t her fame faded a bunch in recent years though?
Also, if executing medics, responders and children won’t cause a scandal, this won’t.
The media stopped reporting on her for the most part. She’s still going strong for the people paying attention
I wish I could agree with you, but the situation in Gaza looks more and more like something we’ve seen before. After the end of World War 2, the world reacted with shock at what had been done to the Jews - murder has never been committed on such a grand scale and in such organized fashion. Jews had been dehumanised in public long before, being equated to rats and other vermin. The Zionists currently holding on to power in Israel are using the same kind of rhetoric against Palestinians. However, one difference between then and now is that the Rwanda genocide taught us that the world is entirely capable of sitting back and watch the horror unfold, even though we’re all fully informed of what’s going on. A ship of brave volunteers being sunk would cause a stern letter or at best sanctions. Israel can act with utter impunity as long as they’re backed by their big brother Uncle Sam.
Israel can act with utter impunity as long as they’re backed by their big brother Uncle Sam.
What is to be done? In WW2, partisans helped stop the holocaust. Palestine is such a controlled area, far from the homes of most of us, it feels like there is no action that we can do to even slow the murder we are watching, while our governments cheer it on. So it’s not surprising when people start shooting Israeli embassy staff or attacking anything connected to Israel they can find.
I don’t think people want to sit back, this violence strikes a chord in anyone with empathy for innocent people. We can’t directly stop the IDF, but there are people, companies and manufacturers in many countries that are supporting this. We need to stop the supply of weapons and components at their source, most of which comes from the US.
And the American arms industry is the backbone of the military industrial complex, bringing in vast amounts of money to the US every year. The world’s biggest arms exporter can only benefit from someone else’s war. Without that industry, my guess is the United States treasury would become completely overwhelmed by their sovereign debt and collapse very quickly, so the government on either side of the aisle will protect it with all their might.
I keep imagining Israeli soldiers screaming “it’s anti semetic!” just like South Park “It’s coming right for us!” to excuse every hail of bullets.
The amount of stuff she’s been involved in she definitely has main character syndrome and fully believes this’ll work out well.
I don’t want it to sound like im belittling the effort. Its brave as all shit and the best cause I can think of, but still.
Maybe it will work out. You know what won’t though? You doing nothing and very much belittling her on the Internet.
Im just saying nobody with all their marbles would seriously believe it will end in anything but their own death.
They may just block the ships with warning shots or board and capture them.
But considering how blind with power and impunity they’ve been as of late… yeah the kid’s soon to be dead.
Pretty wildly demeaning to take someone doing something brave and putting her body on the line for people in need as “main character syndrome”. What have you done lately?
What have you done lately?
what they have done lately has zero effect on whether the discussed move is smart or not. that is not how stuff works.
This has wildly more impact than anything you’re doing and what most people like you are doing (voting for more genocide)
So when someone doesnt vote they’re the problem, and when they do vote they’re the problem?
How’s the average person supposed to do anything?
Nobody said either of those
It was the part where they said (voting for more genocide) that made me think they said either of those. Sorry. I’ll work on my reading comprehension I guess.
oh no. i didn’t give up to logical fallacy so now i am voting for a genocide? now that is some debate championship stuff. how was kindergarten today?
We were not talking smart or not, the discussion was about main character syndrom/brave.
brave
I was talking about the fact that “what have you done” is childish effort to protect yourself from an argument.
and there is thin line between brave and stupid. only the person with main character syndrom will try to shield a grenade with their body hoping the plot armor will protect them.
Some people are willing to die for others. They don’t think they have plot armor, they are aware that they will probably die. It’s not stupidity, it’s bravery. I find it sad that people tend to belittle this kind of action.
they are aware that they will probably die. It’s not stupidity, it’s bravery.
if you expect to die and still go through with your plan, that it is the definition of stupidity. if you think you are so important that your death will move millions and finally change things, that is the main character syndrome that is being discussed.
in reality, she will get two news cycles and that will be it. nothing will be changed and she will be dead. if she really wants to do something, it is much smarter to do anything where she does not die in the process.
I agree. Thunberg is a real hero. I feel like a coward in comparison. We owe it to the people standing up and fighting back
Imagine sitting on a bus and looking at a woman who refuses to move to give up her seat and thinking “man, she must have main character syndrome”. If only we had you back there to diagnose her, maybe history would be different now.
Yeah wo/mxn imagine having a time machine
Edited to fix pronouns likely to cause offence
Wow because someone wants to get of their ass and do something to try to better the world they have main character syndrome. Well then I wish more people had it so they could get off their lazy asses and try to better the world.
No i was more thinking that because she’s become the face of planetary eco-warriorism she’ll have started to internalise the concept that she has plot armor. Which isn’t real in real life.
That is happening entirely in your head, not reality
EDIT (2025-06-02T06:55Z): I think I’m overthinking it 😆 please disregard the following comment.
[…] She tried the same about a month ago and her ship was bombed in a drone strike.
Depending on exactly what they mean by “her ship”, this is either false or misleading. Presumably, they are referring to the incident that occurred on 2025 May 2 [1] where the Conscience was struck while still at anchor in Malta [1.2]; however, Greta Thunberg was not on board that ship during the incident [2], but she was supposed to board it [2]. Therefore, it would be false if, by “her ship”, they meant she was physically present on the ship during the incident, or it would be misleading, imo, if, by “her ship”, they mean that she was supposed to be on it. Another possible option could be that they meant that she personally owns the ship; however, if so, that would also be false, as it is owned by a Turkish NGO [1.1].
References
- Type: Article. Title: “2025 Gaza Freedom Flotilla incident”. Publisher: “Wikipedia”. Published: 2025-05-30T03:31Z. Accessed: 2025-06-02T05:28Z. URI: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2025_Gaza_Freedom_Flotilla_incident.
- Type: Text. Location: §“Background”. §“Freedom Flotilla Coalition”. §“The Conscience”.
[…] the vessel is owned by the Turkish non-governmental organization Foundation for Human Rights and Freedoms and Humanitarian Relief (İHH). […]
- Type: Text. Location: §“Incident”. ¶1.
[…] The boat was on its way to Malta to collect more aid and pick up 44 passengers. According to reports, while still at anchor, the vessel was struck shortly after midnight local time on 2 May by what were described as missiles launched from two drones. […]
- Type: Text. Location: §“Background”. §“Freedom Flotilla Coalition”. §“The Conscience”.
- Type: Article. Title: “Was Greta Thunberg on the ship that caught fire off Malta after alleged Israeli drone attack?”. Publisher: “The Times of India”. Published: 2025-05-05T21:02+05:30. Accessed: 2025-06-02T05:34Z. URI: https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/world/europe/was-greta-thunberg-on-the-ship-that-caught-fire-off-malta-after-alleged-israeli-drone-attack/articleshow/120904802.cms?hl=en-US.
- Type: Text. Location: ¶1.
[…] as clarified by Greta in her statement, that she was supposed to board the vessel but was not on it. […]
- Type: Text. Location: ¶1.
“Her ship tried the same a month ago” would be slightly better.
Hrm, idk. I think I would just avoid the reference altogether. It feels, to me, like the reference emotionally charges the reporting too much for my liking. That being said, perhaps something more like this: “A month after a ship with the same destination that she was to board was allegedly bombed, Greta Thunberg sets sail to Gaza.”.
You’re taking the sentence way too literally, you need to chill a little, dude. They mean the ship she was due to travel on. It’s longer to say it that way, so they say “her ship”. Similarly, if you were going to fly on an airplane, people would say what time does your plane land? They don’t think you own the plane. You had a misunderstanding.
[…] You had a misunderstanding.
When I first read it, it felt, to me, like they were insinuating that she was on board and in transit while it happened, but on second thought perhaps I read too much into it.
Similarly, if you were going to fly on an airplane, people would say what time does your plane land? They don’t think you own the plane.
I think that’s a fair point!
- Type: Article. Title: “2025 Gaza Freedom Flotilla incident”. Publisher: “Wikipedia”. Published: 2025-05-30T03:31Z. Accessed: 2025-06-02T05:28Z. URI: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2025_Gaza_Freedom_Flotilla_incident.
I was in my mid 30s when Greta came onto the world stage and I want to be like her when I grow up…
She was also immediately identified as such a threat to status-quo that a lot of effort went into associating her name with “cringe” and people pushed that kind of reaction real hard and it worked. I cannot believe how many arguments I had with other environmental leftists and liberals on places like reddit who hated her but had no idea why.
“Her message is great, but maybe we don’t want her representing these causes” is the line a lot of people defaulted to, and when pressed, proceeded to drop the flimsiest and most half-assed reasoning like “Well her parents are wealthy so it looks bad” or “she’s going to be a distraction” and other nonsense where people simply couldn’t connect the lines and realize they were already influenced by manufactured “online reactions” and memes that associated her name with a “child doing public speaking” which makes people really uncomfortable.
Now she’s an adult, she’s remained consistent in her tone, messaging and passion, and people STILL connect her to “child making an ugly face while shaming grown ups” and this is why she’s in so much danger right now. She’s a threat to power and they used a lot of their bigger cards to smear her enough that a large portion of the world wouldn’t mourn if she were “accidentally” killed in service of her messages.
She’s not the first to try. Israel doesn’t want a repeat of the Gaza Freedom Flotilla from 2010. Israel will sabotage her boat so she can’t sail. Greta won‘t get anywhere near Gaza.
Breaching a naval blockade in times of war is very serious business.
but by placing notable people in there (who are genuinely risking their lives) will bring more attention, deter an attack, and bring so much more attention if there’s one.
True bravery is using yourself as a human shield. unlike the mosquito protocol
You hope. It isn’t the ones who know who you are that push the button. You hope…
Well, the previous attempt was already attacked by drone strikes, most plausibly Israeli drones strikes or strikes by another terror state allied to Israel.
OK Greta used to get on my nerves. but this bitch is legit. Fuck yeah… *edit after reading the comments and looking up that she wasn’t on the original ship it seems that this is just libturd propaganda. Greta can eat my woke culture war idendity politics red team blue team tribalism hateing arse. Kenetic revolution is the only way
this is the second time she’s been about to board a ship to break the blockade… part of me is jaded and saying she’s just attaching herself to the latest cause célèbre… the other part says it’s good she’s doing something, even if only attaching her celebrity to an important issue….
Gatekeeping advocacy against a genocide is the wildest kind of lib brain
you have no idea what gatekeeping means… liberal
Attaching herself to the latest cause célèbre? Are you clinically insane? She is boarding a ship not liking an Instagram post
she already “almost” did this a couple months ago, but then didn’t get on the boat.
let’s see if she’s on the boat this time.however, you’re clinically insane if you can’t possibly understand the extremely simple concept i’m writing down.
you need to tolerate thought. As i said in my post, that was one thought i had, balanced by a different competing thought. And i have reserved judgement for now….
this isn’t a cult, we’re allowed scrutinize and to ask questions… to reserve judgement until evidence… this isn’t just green maga….Oh I remember your username now. Yeah, its never worth talking to you is it.
no, it’s apparently not worth talking to you… please block me and stop talking to me.
Wtf?! Are you guys against the genocide or not? I get not everyone getting on a boat and dareing two countries to bomb you, but to judge someone who would for a good cause is beyond bull shit.
I don’t care if she was the most self centered person ever, seems to me she is walking the walk and using what fame she has, that she got by doing this kinda thing in the first place for the most pressing cause. I don’t know what more you could have asked for
a: i’m not part of any “you guys”.
b: like i said, part of me is jaded, part of me is impressed…
i don’t know, because she already almost did this once and then didn’t get on the boat. That isn’t walking the walk…
you greta fanboys are nuts.
i don’t like her because she convinces her followers to drop out of school, when an education would give them a lot of power to actually change things.
protests are great and all, but we DO need more environmental scientists. just because she dropped out doesn’t mean it’s not worthwhile to understand environmentalism from a scientific point of view.
i don’t see her so much as walking the walk as much as a very very privileged white girl, who wrote some okay essays and is doing more harm than good.I didn’t mention wether or not she got on the boat before, She’s planning on going on one now where you have law makers making veiled threats on her life. And i can not find anywhere that she told people to drop out of school. She recommended people to go on strike from school for a specific event, and then protest every Friday thereafter. She finished her schooling in 2023 afterward. She never argued that we don’t need more climate scientists, but fucking news flash, nobodies even giving them the time of day let alone any media presence, that’s not her fault. And you dismissing her previous efforts because she is a privileged white girl is wild, unless you expect only disempowered minorities to fight against a god dammed genocide.
All these false talking points and lies smell of right wing am radio trash.
All these false talking points and lies smell of right wing am radio trash.
you’re just like maga. not everyone who disagrees with you or asks questions is Rush Limbaugh, and these aren’t “talking points” that i’m getting from a list handed out to right wing newscasters, this just me, a human, talking about thoughts and my inner conflict regarding greta.
do you even know what “talking points” means? or is that just some way that you can discount a person’s perspective entirely.
i’m engaging in a discussion, not making proclamations.
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you clearly missed it but i DO respect her, her values and what she’s doing… just not like, completely worshipping her as some green deity like you.Your inter thoughts and conflict fed by outright lies. You won’t answer me correcting your slander? I wonder why. It’s those lies that are talking points and they were fed to you from somewhere. You misremember? Then you have to reconcile the premise of your position! Also what is it about her being privileged and white that makes her unable to fight against a genocide? I am not going to let you just shrug that off as if your “discussion” has any merits.
you’re an idiot and misrepresenting everything you’ve said.
every question a loaded one.
every conclusion, the most extreme and rage addicted version of reality, twisting….
jesus christ your name is wraith gear?
fuck off, edge lord….
none of the words you’ve said are true, you are completely divorced from reality.go sail a boat and shut the fuck up
We’re talking about it 20 years later, hope more people read it. RIP.
Guess that’ll be a similar page for Greta soon and 20 years later someone will post that and a lot will comment back with “Who?”.
She already has a page, it will be a larger section on her many achievements.
Damn, I never heard of her before, thank you for sharing
They celebrate her death in Israel by making pancakes.
Deeply unwell society.
Following the incident, an Israeli military investigation concluded that Corrie’s death was the result of an accident and that the bulldozer operator had limited visibility.
We investigated ourselves and found that we didn’t murderl her, and that we aren’t committing genocide. Hurray!
It’s clear that the israelis are free to murder who they like. Only the risk of negative publicity dissuades them and since most corporate media is Zionist supporting, this really makes everyone who stands up to these monsters a potential target.
Only the risk of negative publicity dissuades them
What? Killing journalists, medics and shooting at diplomats is positive publicity?
No of course not but these killings tend to be swept under the rug by the media or get drowned out in the sea of atrocities being committed.
Somebody like Greta being killed would cause a media storm which is why I don’t think the Zios would try as much as they would like to. Killing female activists is a specialty. See Rachel Corrie.
See Rachel Corrie.
Which i hadn’t known about until today.
israel is concerned about losing the support of the west, after trump called for ceasefire and started make deals with saudis and Qatar
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Hey, someone trying to do something that isn’t for themselves. No wonder conservatives hate her guts.
Omg she is gonna get herself killed
Omg
sheIsrael is gonnaget herselfkilledherStill it’s pretty probable when you go over there and I always liked her so that sucks
It’s about framing for me. Too much blaming the children not enough blaming the Israeli Drone Smart Bomb (brought to you by the US Government & Microsoft).
Not to mention all the people already talking about her in the past tense.
She’s what gives me hope for my generation.
I hope she will not die at the hands of
Oof, they got him
Better watch out for
Oh shi
Poor girl, I hope she lives through this.
Why the use of the word “poor”? She’s being brave as hell and using her publicity in a very productive manner.
And she’s hardly poor for sure.
Not really a girl anymore either. She’s an adult. She is a woman.
Please don’t ask me to explain my use of english 🙈
I hope for the best, but I know how this world works. Her death will not move mountains, just add another name to the list of innocent people that have died from this “conflict”. It will be a blip across the screen for maybe a day, and then the next horrible thing will happen to take it’s place.
Thank you for the explanation. I don’t think you’re wrong, but I do think you underestimate the protective power of name recognition. It’s stupid it works this way, but simply by being there she offers some additional protection to all the other brave individuals participating and thus reduces the chances that they all become names on that list.
I wish others in her position could realize that fact and be brave enough to put themselves in harms way to reduce the risk us mere mortals face.
Save the obituary for if it plays out that way though. Letting your mind run wild with pre-emptive defeatism depletes your energy without giving you any productive results. I’m sorry if I sound patronizing but I see so much of this lately and I think we need to address it more because so many people are paralyzed in fear and hopelessness at a time where maintaining one’s agency is crucial.
It’s so often the first comment I see on an article… Sad and defeated. Kind makes me feel apathetic. So I appreciate you posting that
Thank you for posting this comment - I fully agree.
Pre-emptive defeatism certainly depletes energy.
Waaa look at mee i make entire comments over semantics!
technical correctness is the best kind.
I’d encourage you to read the reply from SassyRamen and the subsequent discussion there. It’s not about being “semantically correct” it’s about understanding.
I understand why people are pedants
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