Why is everyone jumping to the psychopath narrative? Is there background on this guy? Why bring up crying children? This feels like a Phy Op to me and some people replying in this post are glowing a bit…
Edit: Finally after everyone spent all day being mad at me for asking for information, one of you got me some. Thanks alekwithak!
The moral highground is an addictive drug. People are desperate for it.
Because killing animals, especially over petty shit, and especially especially in front of others while disregarding their reactions is literally psychopath shit. Your insistence that this is some kind of ‘Phy Op’ just makes you look like one, too. Edit: and to call people out for ‘glowing’ is not helping your case, either.
How do we know they intended to kill the bird and not give it a light bonk? Where did you see he disregarded their reactions?
I’ve given light bonks to my wife before. It’s a shame the judge won’t see reason.
Thanks for self reporting your spousal abuse I guess.
Hey! You’re supposed to be on our side!
The wife-beater bird-beater consortium will hear about this.What is happening right now? Are you writing a book? Is this roll play?
You know, if you have some information or an augment against my point. You can just say it. Wrapping it in sarcasm or whatever that last post was, doesn’t help me and others understand what you are getting at. Also, it doesn’t make you look very good.
Look, man. I just talked to Chris Brown. He told me you will be sanctioned and put into the bonk-pit for 21 days for being a bird lover. That is, unless you can post a video of you bonking a bird right now to prove you aren’t a traitor to our cause.
You can email it to [email protected]
Have you simply never used your hands to do anything before? Or maybe you were born without hands?
I’m just wondering how a human reaches adulthood without understanding what will happen when you nunchuk a seagull into a wall.
So your implying he used full force? How do you know that, is there a video?
So you’ve never used your hands to do anything before, got it.
Are you AI? This is a level of not understanding human strength that seems very ‘I am not human’.
Wait so you’re saying everything you do is full force?
In my experience I can adjust the power and speed I use to do things. This must be blowing your mind.
Imagine making a mistake, it couldn’t be this guy — this guy only takes W’s and can perfectly control his body. Down to his fucking heart rate like Hannibal, wow — us lowly mortals will never compare to the guy with volume sliders on his muscles.
Wtf is this argument? Swinging things applies other forces besides your own power and speed, and since you brought up those two forces you must realize there’s a minimum of both that must be applied in order to swing an object properly and you’d also know full well as Newton’s third law of motion dictates that when said swinging object meets the object at rest that the sum of those forces will be exerted back onto the swinging object. Every choice made equals bird death. He didn’t flick it on the nose, he didn’t show it up slightly, he didn’t swing it into some software brush or a beach ball or an elastic fence, he swung it into a brick wall. A + B = C. Anything else is just conjecture on your end, made in some vain attempt to justify brutish thuggery just because the victim was an animal you don’t respect.
Try it yourself. Get about two feet of rope or something. Tie an egg to the end. See exactly how much speed and power you have to use to get it to properly swing. Then swing it into a brick wall and try not to break the egg. Make sure to film the attempt, I’d love to see it.
I’m reading all your comments in the voice of John Mulaney
"I heard one of the mums say “why did you do that in front of my child?” and he said “it’s vermin, you should teach your children about vermin”
I said ‘why did you do that’ and he just shrugged his shoulders and walked away’
Sounds like a great guy. He’s lucky to have you here defending him for some reason.
This is what I have been asking for all day. Your the first person to provide me with some actual information. Thanks! After seeing this, I think the person did intend to kill the seagull. I don’t know if it rises to psychopathy, but everyone else’s reactions seem to make more sense now.
Yeah, because killing a huge fucking seagull in front of kids is a totally normal thing to do.
So all not normal things are psychotic?
No but brutally killing an animal in public in front of children is.
Ah, so now we have to figure out if there was intent kill let alone intent to brutally kill. I think this thread is where I am having this discussion , but let me know if you think it is too far off and want to start your own.
Tbh, I don’t care what the “intent” was. Swinging an animal by its feet into a wall because it stole your chips is an entirely inappropriate response.
Like if you kicked a dog in the head because it peed in your lawn. It’s a disgusting and very much non-proportional response.
Ok, to be clear. Your argument is that accidently killing a bird makes you a psychopath. Do I have that right?
Yeah! Like that!
He accidentally grabbed the bird’s legs, accidentally hulk-smashed it into a wall, accidentally got its blood on his chips, which he accidentally ate while smirking.
You’re winning, keep talking!
They should have brought it home and killed it in private like a civilized person.
I see the fediverse is composed almost entirely of vegetarians. Feeling bad for a winged rat? Honestly? It’s not like this man is just going around killing animals like Baron Trump…
I live in the French equivalent of NYC rat wise and trust me, either my cat or I get rid of the pests quickly.
Not vegan, vegetarian, or even uncommonly attached to animals. But you are a disgusting person. Rats are great. Rats with wings are pretty cool too. Killing stuff that inconveniences you is psychotic behaviour. Simple as.
That’s sweet. I hope you have the same level of empathy for human beings.
Of course I do. That empathy need not stretch into the loss of a fucking chip. And in front of children no less…
Well, at least you feel bad for the children, that’s more reasonable.
Guess what that “person” doesn’t feel any empathy for humans
If you have no empathy for animals just trying to do their thing, that is a good indicator that you’ll lack empathy for people as well.
I understand they’re trying to do their thing, and that’s what happens. He’s not going around torturing birds for his entertainment. And here I’m entirely on the side of humanity, lol, what? I feel bad for the dude, his day was probably ruined.
If his day is ruined by losing a bit of food, he needs to find someone to talk to about mental health. No one should be that close to the edge of violent response.
He got violently assaulted by a seagull and had a gut reaction with a seagull. I know you wanna equate it semantically to people being problematic with people but, again, unless you’re even more peaceful and selfless than Aang from ATLA, you’re just being emotionally hypocritical. Had he eaten the seagull or composted it to reduce waste, what would the problem be?
I’m sorry. I’ve had gut reactions before. Normal humans will swat or punch things.
It takes thought to grab it by the legs, and slap it on a wall.
But yeah, if it was just some unconscious reaction, then whatever. But in that case, I’m curious why a fuckin ninja is among the regular population.
❤️ I’d like to believe it’s just some maybe brutish/unafraid but otherwise okay fella and not some everyday sociopath, lol.
Do ypu think we are in a war against seagulls?
They started it back when they stole a whole ice cream cone from my great grandpappy, I’m just ending it!
His day was ruined by his own actions, not the loss of a chip. Are you fucking dense?
??? He got assaulted by a winged rat. I’m about to eat chicken right now. It seems like you have a lot of feelings and that’s actually nice and sweet but the direction is wrong IMO.
You could have just answered the question about being dense with a yes.
That’s fat shaming.
Fat people are actually less dense
He got assaulted
???
You’re a fucking crybaby, you fucking crybaby.
You’re a gross person
Plants don’t count as living things to you, huh
Go talk to your plants, I bet they’re the only ones who tolerate you. 😤
Why are you randomly murdering animals you do not plan on eating? Your cat has instincts to kill so they get a pass but what is your excuse?
Do you not get that killing a seagull like this is not a good thing?
It’s really not a big deal, and I don’t understand why it should be. He had a moment of anger (very valid) and what I assume was an immediate, unthinking violent reaction (also understandable but it might have scared some people around, which is not as cool), else the bird would’ve just flown away. I feel bad for the kids watching it, but more so for the dude who just wanted to eat chips in peace. A bird is a bird, and he’s not going around exterminating all birds in existence. Use your heart to give homeless people money, to raise abandoned kids and to stop imperialism and genocide.
I would argue the moment of anger bit wasn’t valid or rational.
I don’t think you should be giving anyone advice.
I think you expect too much of people in that case. Idk what tribe you’re from (I can guess), but I hope you come from a land of peace loving, vegetarian erudites.
Please guess what “tribe” I am from
What about this was “random?”
“ I live in the French equivalent of NYC rat wise and trust me, either my cat or I get rid of the pests quickly. “
That’s the part Im addressing with my comment about random killing. I’m not talking about the article.
Again, purposeful pest removal is not “random.”
This is a really useful line of argumentation.
That entirely depends on why you are killing these animals. If you are just killing rats or seagulls outside your home, that is random killing.
Sure, but nothing about it was RANDOM.
What do you think random means?
Don’t feed the troll, people.
https://birdfact.com/articles/are-seagulls-protected-in-the-uk
“[All gulls] are protected by law. This means it is illegal to kill, injure, or capture a gull.”
Legality does not mean morality, come on. If you’ve lived in the West, you know it perfectly well. Is this what the conversation has come to?
It’s both immoral and illegal, and quite frankly it’s indicative of a psychopath.
I think what you’re picturing is way worse than what actually happened (although in all fairness he could’ve been chanting to Satan while f’ing the seagull, I’m just assuming it’s how I picture it).
You’re gross bud
Unlike the rats in my city, I shower.
I meant your personality. You as a person are gross.
I understood but I guess you felt it needed reiteration…
I just wanted to make sure that it was crystal clear that I didn’t mean your physical appearance.
You couldn’t know it!
Wow you are a ballsy one
It doesn’t take balls to tolerate insults/derision, just understanding and patience. 🤷
No arguments, so you use ad-hominem attacks.
C’est une perte totale de temps de débattre sur lemmy, c’est encore pire que reddit en termes de biais cognitifs et d’echochamber.
Pas pire que Reddit, non (peut-être?), mais je vois que c’est pas le e-paradis que j’avais été promis, mdr. Merci pour ta compréhension ! 🙏
Would you like it if someone grabbed you by your feet and killed you by swinging you into a wall? What the fuck is wrong with you?
Well, I’m not going up to people and stealing their shit
You’ve never stolen anything, even as a teenager?
What kind of childhood did you have where you think it’s normal to mug people as a teenager?
Like threatening people or just snatching stuff like a seagull?
Either. That’s honestly pretty fucked up, in my opinion.
Wait, did you not even do anything pretty fucked up as a kid?
Ah, of course. People and seagulls are the same and deserve the same treatment and the same considerations. And my cat is my daughter and I’m a pitmommy too. This is why y’all are weird to other people.
The only consideration a seagull deserves is death by mein fuhrer. You… wouldn’t happen to be harboring any seagulls, would you?
Feeling bad for a winged rat?
This is no about the seagull, it is about actions of this psycho. Swinging into wall? In front of children? Really?
I assumed the dude grabbed it as it was flying out with the chip and just slammed it quickly without much thought. He might have a horrible day/week, just wanted to have some chippies and this happened. Meh. 🤷
Oh for fuck sake…
Look, I sometimes have a bad day yet I am not walking around smashing skulls.
Bro, it’s not the same and you know it. Equating people and animals only means you have less empathy for people.
I am not equating anything to anything. Smashing skulls because you have a “bad day” is objectively wrong.
What about a person who works in a meat processing plant? Killing hundreds of chickens a day. Are they a psychopath?
What about a person who works in a meat processing plant?
What about them?
Killing hundreds of chickens a day.
Yes, for food.
Are they a psychopath?
Why would they be a psychopath?
Sorry, I think I got my wires crossed between your post and someone else’s. You were not claiming the person killing the seagull was a psychopath.
I called him a psycho, yes. He did kill for revenge, not for food. And in front of children.
I don’t have any issues with killing for food and I love a good steak.Killing as pests eradication is also OK before you ask. This was neither though.
They’re even worse, as they do it with no emotion. It’s cold and calculated.
Fascinating! So what about exterminators killing bugs? Does the size of the creature matter?
They’re genocidal beasts and will go to Hell for ‘taking care’ of my apartment’s cockroach infestation!
I feel inclined to purchase some meat today just to upset you
Can I come too ?
I was being facetious, but please do have a nice, protein full meal in my name! I’m gonna have some for dinner soon. 😅
Why can’t you just say, “I want this innocent man jailed because I want his life to be hell”. It’s easy buddy
Say what now? 🙄
Meanwhile perhaps 100s of millions of hens live in small cages in probable misery because we want cheaper eggs.
They may be aggressive flying pests but this guy is a fucking psycho.
Nah seagulls deserve the worst
As an aussie who has had many foods taken by birds including a fucking eagle that stole my burger out of my hands, this is some sociopath shit
I reckon. Birds are fuckin psycho.
seriously. who steals a french fry?
What he did was wrong, a bit because of the animal and a lot because of the spectators. It did not suffer, it was quick. It does however feel a bit like cognitive dissonance to strongly disapprove of his actions, while we systematically without any good reason eat animals and have them in small confined areas for optimal meat production per sqm. Vegans and vegetarians however, they can judge him all they want 😉 I am not one of them
It shows anger issues and a proloclivity towards disproportionate retribution. Most people wouldn’t kill an animal for a simple chip/fry heist.
He should not have. But we kill animals all the time simply for eating meat, because we think that tastes a bit better. We don’t need to inflict suffering on animals for years, we can abstain from meat. How are we more moral? Just because we outsource the killing? I so not condone his actions, just point out that we are not better.
I think there is a substantial difference though. Meat processing is done in a measured, considered way for a benefit (meat) that cannot be obtained without killing the animal. It is done in isolated facilities away from people who find the process disturbing. Just because people find something gross doesn’t mean it shouldn’t be done - we have sewage maintenance done out of the public eye too - but it does maybe mean it should be done where people don’t have to see it. The only benefit this man gets from killing the animal is some sort of “revenge”. But this is in principle completely contradictory to meat processing, where animals are seen as less capable of higher order experiences and therefore more acceptable to kill. To seek revenge, you would need to be assigning more higher order experience to the seagull than we typically see it as having. You have to see the seagull as selfish, stealing, criminal, rude, etc., even though in reality a more reasonable person understands that it’s just an animal looking for food. Meat processing is not done out of some emotional vendetta against the animals, rather it is the cold detachment of it that is exactly what makes it acceptable. Can you imagine if we killed the same amount of chickens every day, not to eat them, but just because we hate them? This is much more horrifying! Because that would mean we think chickens are having complex enough inner experiences to warrant hatred, yet still we kill them.
Meat processing maybe isn’t great, but it’s still much better than this seagull killer. It isn’t impulsive, it isn’t disproportionate in response to the situation, it acknowledges and conceals its own horrors; thereby paying respect to important social codes. The actions of this man, though, disregarded the well-being of children and others around him, in an impulsive and disproportionate response - your average meat-eater is indeed better than that, I think. When I have a craving for some meat, I don’t drag a calf down to the nearest playground, cut it in half and spray blood over the children, and proceed to mock the calf’s weakness and inferiority as I beat it to tenderize it before consumption. I just want some food, dude. But what’s this guy’s beef? It’s not beef, and it’s not even seagull meat, but rather some frightening notion of swift and decisive revenge, which reveals that he is just waiting for any excuse to get away with brutalizing things around him.
I think you might be debating a person who may refuse to acknowledge the points of their opponents. If they come back again, just sit it out.
The point is the it’s not cognitive dissonance, it’s just reacting to a different aspect of it than simply the dead animal.
Boy don’t try that vegan crap on us, meat is faaaaaaar more nutritious than veggies.
But that “Peter” guy told me to “eat veggies” when I asked him how he managed to easily and acrobatically evade that incoming high speed vehicle! Why didn’t he tell me to “eat meat” instead?
That peter guy is a figment of your imagination.
But they will to make gravy and nobody bats an eye.
It might not have been the first gull who stole his chips—a man has his limits.
You don’t know it didn’t suffer and he didn’t kill it so that he could eat it (I’m disagreeing with you on the “cognitive dissonance” thing).
Also im not sure if you are saying that you dont judge him for what he did or just saying youre not vegan, but doing as he did is judge worthy.
Of course he should not have done this. What I am saying is that eating meat when we clearly don’t need to is also unnecessary killing. So he killed an animal for no good reason, and we kinda do the same. We have more ethical foods available for us, but we like the taste of meat, and don’t care enough about their suffering. Except for those that abstain from meat.
I don’t eat meat (mostly a taste thing), but I’d definitely gift it to a nearby chap doing a bbq after the smack.
Not to waste something that could become food, right?I am judging the extreme level of force after something so minor as a stolen chip.
Shouldn’t ave stolen me chip. Simple as.
Good point, I concede
I know what you mean, it’s disproportionate as hell. I am just saying that we aren’t much better morally than him. Unless we abstain from meat.
Let’s think about it cold. Kill seagull -> no witnesses, and the next seagull might do the same. I mean, let’s get on his level of apeshit crazy, and let’s assume seagulls actually understand stuff like humans, morals, and above all, human morals, and on top of that, they even care about those and want to comply. You didn’t give it a lesson, because it died before it could learn from it, or before it could let the other seagulls know it’s not cool to steal chips.
Hell, even when I’m trying to get on his level, it’s still primitively dumb.
If a seagull is stealing chips from someone, odds are there are plenty of other seagulls around to witness their compatriot getting merked.
Seagulls understand that stealing from humans is risky - that’s why they generally do it very quickly. The ones who fail suffer consequences for their failure, same as stealing food from any other creature. It’s the risk/reward calculation any scavenger has to make.
Sometimes they calculate incorrectly. They get forcibly removed from the gene pool.
Of course, it’s also illegal in a lot of countries to harm seagulls, so in that sense, he was in the wrong anyways.
It’s not about morals that the seagulls can understand. It is not about teaching something. He acted like a moron and completely disproportionately. However it’s not that much unethical than killing for meat, when we don’t need to eat meat.
Yeah, the guy should have eaten the seagull, not just killed it.
We are a species of cognitive dissonance. I want to know how many of the people reading this story and feeling revolted or horrified were eating meat at the time.
Also not a vegan per-say, but I have reduced my meat intake and try to buy local to avoid giving money to the nightmare hellscapes like Tyson and Perdue the like. That’s about the best I can manage in my current lifestyle.
Everyone needs to reconcile and work out this dilemma. It’s amazing how many people are dishonest with themselves and others about their reasons for feeling the way they do about eating meat, killing animals, etc. It’s okay to say “I love animals but not enough to quit eating meat” and accept it in yourself. It’s not a worse moral failing than a hundred other contradictory ideas we all hold in our heads every day. It’s okay to say “I find this story distasteful because killing animals should be done behind closed doors to respect others.” That’s also a fine opinion to have.
I don’t get why people have to do backflips to rationalize shit. We are irrational species.
Another thing, I remember when I used to live in a house with a cat and a lot of rodents. Our traps killed a couple a week and our cat killed probably not far from a thousand rodents and birds. We could have protected our house more from animals, and we could have had the cat indoors. Somehow cats killing animals is socially accepted, the same goes for rodents in your house.
Exactly this, I am not trying to say that it is not allowed to have the opinion that this was distasteful. I just find it interesting how hard people judge this person. There are infinitely amounts of cognitive dissonance we all live with every day. It’s not really to judge people for eating meat, it’s more to point our that from a logical standpoint this person actually did not do something much more unethical. Kinda like the thing with the female politician who shot her dog. Which I personally feel is insane and a terrible thing to do, but at the same time dogs are kinda like pigs, and we kill them all the time just because we prefer pig meat over lentils, beans, rice etc.
Humans:
- Takes all the fish for themselves
- has bussiness dump to birds perfectly edible but to humans not commercially pretty enough fish bits in the trash.
- builds apartments on the gulls original habitat
“wHy Do ThESe SEaguLl KeEP STEalinG FrOm Us”
I also grew up at the coast and yes they are a menace. But as the saying goes fuck around, find out.
Imagine if we restored and maintained the habitat and did a daily collection of fish waste to dump near that habitat.
Well said!
They’re also a “menace” because many people actively feed them. It’s the same as ducks following people around expecting bread.
Yeah, that seagull sure as hell found out.
Exc-fucking-actly. I’m horrified by how many people here think that animal cruelty is okay when you don’t like the said animal.
Fucking psycho deserves the same treatment. Gross person
I grew up by the sea and seagulls can fuck right off. Ones where I was learned to shit on you and your food from above so you would put it in the bin, then they’d raid the bin and eat the shit covered food.
A near-lifetime around these fuckers gives me some sympathy for this guy. Not a lot, but some.
Grew up by the sea too. Humans destroyed the vast majority seagulls’ habitat, overfished a ton, so if now they steal from us, it’s only fair. They are wild animals and need food. People should learn to protect their food instead of being a horrible piece of shit.
Hilarious…You gotta admit that’s some savage survival skills…hatred yes but maybe some respect.
That’s why I prefer bagels.
The bird shit might clear the hole?
Nah I just prefer gulls that fly over the bay.
Well played
Fuck seagulls. They are made to piss of humans.
That just sounds like they’re being smart to me. They do it to get food, not to be malicious. Unlike humans.
Doesn’t make them any more convenient to live with than hungry mosquitoes or botfly larvae
I grew up with seagulls (well, lake gulls) and they weren’t a bother. Then I visited the actual seaside… I wondered why there weren’t more chip stands serving seagull meat.
Small flighted bird - Low meat ratio
Human food scavenger - Dirty malnourished
Of course, if you give McDonalds any hints, they might throw em in a grider whole and start a new line of nuggets.
It’s been considered by many but unfortunately they are full of tiny bones, lack much meat, and don’t taste great owing to their ongoing diet of garbage, fast food, and their own shit
That cartoon version of the old man kills me every time.
Stop stealing his chips
NEVER!
Bahaha I fully support his actions. Fucking prick seagull fucked around and found out.
There’s a good chance another seagull ate the body before it was even cold.
ahaha animal cruelty funny
Fuck seagulls! Delete them
“They are annoying” isn’t a good reason to brutally murder a living being.
Not brutally murder but like…delete 😎
Wasn’t cruelty.
It was quick.
You don’t have the same opinion when it comes to rats
The next person who disagrees with you should do the same thing. Fucking psychos
I dont think you should call others psycho after fantasizing about their death.
Oh no not the flying rats
To each their own. But I have had rat friends who were more trustworthy than many humans.
Seriously rats can be really great. The worst part is their shorter lifespan.
Yup. We have had two sets of ratties live with us. After the second set died a few days apart I swore off any more. When their needs are met they are loving, and care for each other, and us, without reward.
If you schedule allows and you aren’t entirely rational, chinchillas are stupid, nocturnal, fluffy rats. The advantage is they live longer if treated well. The disadvantage is that nocturnal bit as their warning scream is loud. A girl I dated had a pair for 15 years before they passed.
That’s very cool. Were they thieves?
They atole the hearts of everyone who played with them. Does that count?
You mean the sky rats??? Fuck em. Get em Brit bong
Labour’s weak attitude to immigration is to blame here just letting these thieves just fly into the country!
What is the average air speed velocity of a swallow?
Laden or unladen?
bin laden. like, they fly away with stuff from bins.
I’m sure someone’s mother should be able to answer this
Last I checked their mother was a hamster.
Should shoot them with machineguns!
as someone who’s had their food stolen by a seagull a few times i once found myself in a fit of petty rage googling “can i kill a seagull” and the answer is no, like legally you cannot, they’re protected birds
I would suppose that depends on the jurisdiction.
it does not. Seagulls are protected in: UK, Ireland, all of Europe, all of North America, Mexico, Australia, Japan, Russia, and probably more but i can’t be bothered to go past the first few Google searches to find out
all of North America, Mexico
Hmmm. I mean I guess I get mentioning UK separate from the EU, but idk about Ireland, isn’t it part of the EU?
To be very clear, I’m not trying to contradict that it’s illegal to kill seagulls in a lot of places.
yea i’m bad at geography
It’s okay, I couldn’t name all 50 states on a map.
Well thanks for your exhaustive legal research.
they’re also protected in China and India, which together with the other ones accounts for like 70% of the world. are they protected everywhere? probably not, there are definitely some countries that have little to no wildlife protection legislations, but i’m not exactly a seagull murder law expert, nor do i want to become one, so i’ll stop at that
What we need is someone versed in bird law.
https://birdfact.com/articles/are-seagulls-protected-in-the-uk
Protected status in the UK. “[T]hey are protected by law. This means it is illegal to kill, injure, or capture a gull.”
HTH.
Ok, now what does jurisdiction mean?
dictionary.com is a good place to start.
I like how you said all of North America, and then also Mexico as if it wasn’t part of NA.
And that UK and Ireland aren’t a part of Europe?
I’ve heard Brits piss and moan that the UK isn’t part of Europe before. Whether or not that has any merit I can’t say, I’m not European.
I’ve never heard any Brit say UK isn’t Europe. Are you confusing Europe, a continent one cannot secede from without moving tectonic plates or waiting billions of years, with EU, the European union, a political union?
I’ve never heard any Brit say UK isn’t Europe.
And I’ve never actually seen a Hippopotamus, what’s your point?
Are you confusing Europe, a continent one cannot secede from without moving tectonic plates or waiting billions of years, with EU, the European union, a political union?
At what point did I mention plate tectonics or the European Union?
uhoh, my 2 from geography is showing (scale from 1-6, with 1 being fail)
It’s okay. I live in a glass house, so I shouldn’t throw stones.
You might break something!
I got a 2 in literary metaphors.
Why are they protected? They’re rats with wings.
they’re covered by migratory bird protection legislations from what i read. and some of the seagull spiecies are pretty endangered. can’t tell you more than that, i just accepted that the sky thieves dickheads cannot be touched
I feel like the default is that you aren’t allowed to kill animals. Not as in most laws outlaw killing any animal, just that there are probably a lot of laws about randomly killing animals that aren’t like tiny bugs and stuff. Like you can’t just kill a deer unless you have a hunting permit. You can’t catch fish without a fishing license. Sure, you’re probably allowed to kill animals on your property that are a nuisance or anywhere in defense, but I wouldn’t just assume I can kill a random animal.
I think there’s a clear difference between an animal that’s a known nuisance and any other. If a rat and an emu both wander into my yard, the rat’s life is forfeit, but I’m not gonna fuck with the emu for multiple reasons.
Probably for the best, they defeated the Australian army in the 1932 Emu war.
Unless… you do it in self-defense
Once saw a seagull casually walk up to a pigeon like it was going to walk past it and just snap it’s fucking neck.
Those motherfuckers can be huge, too. The building where I work has a kestrel nest on the roof. Last week, there was drama when some seagulls showed up and were apparently trying to kidnap and eat the kestrels’ young ones.
I straight up witnessed a city seagull kill and eat an adult pigeon whole. It was pretty quick and wild to see.