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To be clear, the ice people are also criminals, it’s just a different crime.
Everybody pretends to be an ICE agent to steal or commit violence, it is an utterly illegitimate mob of thugs loyal to a dictator.
The only thing that isn’t pretend about ICE is the bigotry and violence.
I see no meaningful difference between these people and “actual ICE agents”.
The meaningful difference is the relief felt by this poor woman when she discovered she was just being robbed, not deported.
just being robbed, not
deported.*sent to the off-shore extra-judicial concentration camps
It’s actually really easy to cosplay as ICE too.
Face mask. Cheap jacket. Fake ass vest.
True, though hardly a news flash that fascists have shit basic ass style.
I’m gonna pretend to be an ice agent and go into a McDonald’s and order a McFlurry and pay for my it and say thank you and eat in the lobby and clean up my mess and leave and never mention I’m an ice agent.
Only one thing to do now. We have to treat all ICE agents like armed criminals until they show their face, a badge, and a warrant.
Something something… bad guy with a gun… good guy with a gun?
So lets be the good guys with guns. Every American should perform citizens arrest on these so called “ICE Agents”, if there is resistance, you are entitiled to use lethal force to defend yourself. 😏
Kidding, don’t actually do this…
Unless… 🤔
Agreed. It is easy to say “do it” … but there are a lot of things that could go wrong for a good guy with a gun.
I was thinking more along the lines of trespassing them if they are on your property or at a business that the employees may not want ICE at. Also maybe calling the police on them … an armed guy in a mask with a Temu printed Tshirt that says “ICE” is certainly suspicious.
Starting yesterday?
This is something I’ve thought about a lot. Obviously this is not legal advice, don’t try this shit based on this comment. Say a cop shows up to your door with a warrant and says “Let me in to search your house.” How the fuck am I supposed to react to this? If a cop asks to search something, you should always say no (unless there’s some sort of implied consent like breathalyzers in Georgia for drivers). But if they have a warrant, how do I even know it’s a real warrant? I’m not a legal expert. I don’t wanna sound like a sovereign citizen type who believes random words make you immune to things but I feel like the proper thing to do is say something like “I don’t consent, but I’m not resisting.” Then just stand there. Don’t close the door, but don’t open it more either.
Like imagine a vampire. Right? They can only come in if they’re invited. As humans we use certain phrases to make orders sound like requests to be polite. I used to get in trouble with my mom as a kid because of it. She’d say things like “Please do X” and I’d protest saying because she’s saying please it’s like she’s asking, not telling. That’s not necessarily the best example of it, but it helps demonstrate the point. “Let me do X” is sort of a request to be given permission to do X without actually asking to do X. If they have a warrant, why ask at all? Why not just come in?
Idk, I pray that I’m never in a situation like this.
If you are peaceful minded then speed dial your lawyer and follow their instructions.
If you want to use the castle doctrine then you have to do a lot of homework first.
I saw zero indications that ICE agents weren’t criminals before this.
I don’t see how that absolves them of being criminals. We should ship them to El Salvador and sort out the good ones later.
Ha! We all know ICE agents dont get local warrants.
They are supposedly running around Chicago with Douglas County warrants. If that is real it means ICE is getting warrants from a judge 2 and a half hours away
Remember, in the US, you can be charged for obstructing a plain-clothes officer’s duties even before they ID themselves. (I’m not a lawyer but you could refer to 18 USC 111 or 18 USC 1501, or the fact that police don’t need to know the law properly to enforce it, Heien v. North Carolina)
And, fake-ICE cosplayers like this guy can have their charges dropped by DOJ or pardoned by Trump.
So if you get visited by someone unknown, you’re damned if you do or you don’t. Demand a judicial warrant and wait to receive one with an actual judge’s signature, before you open the door to agents you don’t know.
maybe if they robbed a bank that Trump owed/owes money to.
It is like they should be identifiable. I forgot, but a member of congress made a good point how police have arrested way more dangerous people with their face and ID showing.
Nobody believes the made up attacks on ICE they just don’t want the social backlash of being casted out of their communities.
He low key helped show why we want law officers to have a branded uniform, name tag and provide ID.
And wearing a mask to hide your identity while performing your job function is pretty sus.
Given the photos, this guy didn’t even use a mask! He could have gone full bear and been even more protected from discovery.
I mean, sure that would be a nice fringe benefit of police reform.
But this was only possible because of the terror police inspire by their mere presence. Nobody is willing to fight back against this guy for fear he’s an actual officer. Nobody has any faith in the Real Police (assuming this guy wasn’t actually a cop who decided to moonlight as a robber) finding and stopping this guy.
It isn’t as though the crook couldn’t have slapped a “Hi I’m Jim_” name tag on his chest and done the exact same thing. You have to believe knowing the officer’s identify would result in some consequence to the owner of the gear in order to see that as a material benefit.
Low key?
How many ‘‘ICE’’ agents does it take to empty out a bank? I’m thinking of writing a Hollywood film.
“We’re seizing this money as evidence!”
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What movie?
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Thanks. 🙂
Wait until the purge to do it, then you’re not breaking the law.
In authoritarian regimes it isn’t uncommon for the state officers and soldiers to engage in casual theft along side their official duties. With the way our country is going, there is a non-zero chance this was an actual ICE officer just working his “side hustle”.
American cops have been robbers for a long, long time under the guise of civil forfeiture.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civil_forfeiture_in_the_United_States
Those stolen assets don’t end up as personal property of the officer though.
They do. Way way too often.
That is “legal” theft, which can be fought in court, and isn’t what I’m referring to. A law enforcement officer committing theft not associated with their duties is what I’m talking about like this example reported just yesterday.
“Legal theft”. Careful not to choke on your words. It is a well known and well documented abuse of the legal system. A great many police departments, corrupt even more than usual, use it to fund departmental expenses, staff perks and bonuses.
Fighting street level injustice through inaccessible and notoriously corrupt courts is also a sad joke.
“Legal theft”. Careful not to choke on your words. It is a well known and well documented abuse of the legal system.
Abuse? Its codified in law. Its working as intended. I don’t agree with it, but its not extra-judicial. You’ll see I specifically put it quotes to communicate that, while it meets the letter of the law, it is far from actual justice.
Just because it is codified into law doesn’t make it not abusive in nature. That just means the law is attempting to justify abuse.
Almost as if something being a “law” is nothing more than those in power attempting to legitimize their oppression of the people under their authority.
Just because it is codified into law doesn’t make it not abusive in nature. That just means the law is attempting to justify abuse.
Are we really just having semantic arguments now?
“Abuse of the law” I interpret as equal to “breaking the law”. Civil Forfeiture doesn’t break the law it is written from. Is it unjust? Absolutely! Do I agree it should be abolished? Absolutely!
Almost as if something being a “law” is nothing more than those in power attempting to legitimize their oppression of the people under their authority.
Again, I’ve clearly separated the concepts of “lawful” from “justice”. They ARE NOT always equal. This is a case where they aren’t.
Are we done having arguments over grammar and semantics? You can keep going if you like, but I’m more interested in focusing on our world burning than arguing over something we both already agree should be abolished.
Sorry the point went over your head it seems.
It adheres to the letter of the law only when you ignore the 4th and 5th ammendments. But why bother? The constitution ain’t worth shit anyways.
As a non-American this is really one of the weirdest things about ICE. Why don’t they do their raids in uniform/with badge and face uncovered (perhaps apart from tactical headgear) like any other law enforcement agency? Even when arresting terrorists/mobsters you would expect the cops to be identifiable.
Why don’t they do their raids in uniform/with badge and face uncovered (perhaps apart from tactical headgear) like any other law enforcement agency?
As far as I know the plain clothes arrests and covered faced raids are new artifacts of the GOP’s trump administration. I think there may have been plain clothes investigators before for some undercover work, but never used in the way it is today.
There are two reasons, I think, they are doing it today.
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Masks add anonymity and reduce accountability. These folks are deeply disliked and under the hoods and masks, yet they’re people with homes and families. They need to conceal their identity so their actions don’t follow them home.
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The trump administration wants a law enforcement arm with broad authority to arrest and detain with federal powers. ICE and CBP (Customs and Border Protection) have broad sweeping powers in the most populated portions of our country.
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It’s naïve to think that this behavior hasn’t been common already for decades, likely centuries
It’s technically not a crime if you label it civil forfeiture.
Oh but that’s totally only if you can’t prove you weren’t going to use it for crime!
How do you prove you weren’t using it for crime? Good question!
And even if a judge believes you, OH well, too bad the cops already spent it! No, you can’t get money from their budget, that would be theft or fraud or some other crime we can figure out after arresting you.
Maybe everyone should become an ice agent…what would they do then if everyone was larping
I Am Batman?
This was basically the end state of East Germany right before the wall fell. Something like 1 in 6 people were either in the Stasi or were Stasi informants working alongside them. One wonders what the power dynamic might have mutated into once there were no more sheep because everyone was working for the wolves.
Maybe that’s the kind of loyalist utopia these (and those) chumps were dreaming of but I’d doubt that’d actually shake out how they expected it to.
That is hardly comparable.
Eastern Germany did not have an oligarch class to feed and did not aspire to invade other countries to rob their resources.
Most of the people you mention were informal informants (190k vs. 90k regular employees by the lat 80s) and these mostly worked out of ideological conviction and didn’t receive relevant payments for it. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unofficial_collaborator
Obviously these informants did not know who else around them was an informant. Economically they were doing normal jobs and receiving normal pay like everyone else. This cannot be described in terms of “wolfs and sheep”. American cops, ICE and the like full well know who their colleagues are. They get paid, usually full time to exercise their jobs and they have a direct authority to abuse, like with civil forfeiture.
A Stasi informant couldn’t reveal himself to his neighbor and demand money from him. First of all his neighbor might as well be an informant and second of all the informant has no power except to make allegations, for which he would have to compromise himself and be targeted himself.
The GDR was authoritarian for ideological reasons, not to feed the greed of a select few. This is fundamentally different to Capitalism and its final form, Fascism.
I doubt the dynamic would have changed much. They’d just start with the purity and loyalty tests and start devouring each other. The fascists always need a convenient enemy
They did do that
Fascism is a means to an end. The end result of fascism is cronyism, where power is delegated based on fealty.
Each level of fascism is a concentric circle, with a new out group named at every iteration.
Right now, it’s LGBT, specifically trans people in addition to immigrants. Once all of the outgroup is gone, a new one is named.
It’s a good thing we don’t have the gubmint compiling lists of, say, neurodivergent folks, so everything’s all nice and ready when the time comes.
You are very lucky if they stop with casual theft.
Lavrentiy Beria, the head of the secret police in Stalin’s USSR was a serial rapist and murderer. He had at least hundreds women and children kidnapped off the street, both people who weren’t missed but also celebrities, and raped them and then murdered them if they wouldn’t pretend it was consensual. A pile of bones covered with lime was uncovered near his one-time residence 15 years ago, but contemporary testimonies say that his torture chamber of a basement had underground passages to other burial sites.
Once some people are above the law, nothing is off the table.
Also Stalin told his daughter to never be alone with Beria because even he couldn’t ensure her safety. Honestly I’m convinced that Beria was on Stalin’s shit list and the only reason he wasn’t purged was because WW2 kicked off.
Stalin was the one thing keeping Beria alive though even after the war, after Stalin died, the first order of business for the Politburo was to kill him.
I’m not saying Stalin liked him, I’m saying he was useful enough that Stalin never got around to purging him.
Yep.
Obviously this is a pretty extreme example but without the rule of law, government officials will engage in corruption, hold overs, and blackmail.
With ICE just seizing and deporting whoever they like, it provides white Americans with incredible power over others because they can just threaten to call ICE.
ICE was always lawless from what we know about them in reports, there were articles about rape cases even back under Biden.
Yeah i was just going to say, its not like theyre tracking these things, so isnt it more likely he just is an actual ICE officer?
It’s already been happening, it’s documented in this Afroman song Edit: 3:50 timestamp
I know it happens with other law enforcement. I even posted a link to a police officer fired for stealing just a few days ago. However, I was specifically talking about ICE, which isn’t what Afroman was talking about, but this thread is.
I hope we start seeing people dressing up as ICE agents and then disappearing real ICE agents while they’re off duty. Just round them up. When they protest and try to show their citizenship papers, just call them fake. What’s good for the goose is good for the gander.
Jesus if we could even get this to happen one time that would be just so perfect
Yeah anyone now with a security/police/ice/military uniform is not acting with the constitution and is labeled a threat. They are not in charge of public safety anymore
Many commenters totally predicted this sort of thing.
Time to start blasting
- This is intentionally ambiguous
- We have no way to say this wasn’t ICE
Did you not read the article that was attached? Multiple outlets in Philadelphia reported this incident.
I didn’t see the link. This response was only to the text in the image.
And yet you were upvoted, and I was down.
Which is weird, in a community devoted to pointing out that the police are the problem. If you tell even the most bootlicky of bootlickers that criminals are using their favorite law enforcement officers as a smokescreen to do evil shit, many of them will turn.
You can tell he’s not a real ICE agent because his face isn’t covered.
not much stolen valor in this, I suppose.
