To paraphrase Bush v Gore over negative votes in Florida after the SC sent the case to a lower court and it was appealed back to them
it’s been so long since the election that it would be unfair to change the outcome now
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I dont like coward, liars and people entrusted with the protection of me and mine do nothing with the trust except squander it so his crackhead son can get a pardon and the kids for cash judge too. I calls them as I sees them, and its hard to argue with my stance with the direct result of his failures as pres are contributing to an active genocide and the destruction of the american democracy and human rights, what is wrong with you is the question
You are the problem with America right now. You’re out of your mind about things you clearly don’t understand. We’ve entered idiocracy and you’re just busy being a screeching parrot eh?
Why don’t you go search your soul and try to find it
ahhh, how so? how am i wrong? biden putting a republican at the doj to protect trump, failing his campaign promises, or the baby burning missiles he kept sending to the genocide Israel is commiting at this very moment.
I am the problem with America? maybe but it is not far from the least of them especially since the America failed the minute we allowed a violent convicted rapist insurrectionist go unpunished and get elected with the express purpose of hurting the most vulnerable in society
What did they say?
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ahh, how so? is there no one you wish ill of? if so, mine is far more justified. Se la vie, people still reward failure for some reason
removed by mod again, how censored is lemmy? i hold no sympathies for biden and dont think he deserves any well wishes and any pain and suffering he is experiencing is justified in with the pain and suffering he caused. Maybe unpopular opinion, but half the opinions here are offensive to some people, is lemmy just a more sensitive reddit?
Read the sidebar. No celebrating death, advocating violence. The rules are there. Wishing death and pain on anyone, including Biden, is a removable offense.
I did not wish death on anybody, and it does not mention anything about pain. You are twisting the words in the rules to keep your feeling from being infringed. I have not advocated violence either. I have been called a ton of slurs and had hateful speech directed at me, which it seems is permissible as long as it promotes group think that is not uncomfortable.
I am not violating any rule and you need to take some time and read the dictionary and understand what the words you used actually means
Basic human deceny is a foreign concept to you, aint it…
no, but it seems that way to biden when he was in charge. How many pictures of burned babies did i see in gaza, while he was there from our missiles? how many americans are suffering now because of his lack of protecting the country
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seeing dead babies, dead children turned to ash and then seeing our politicians say it is ok will do that
Gaza is doomed. And far from my mind right now. We’ve got actual Nazis running the US which we have to deal with because nobody else is going to do it for us.
I feel sorry for you, that is an incredibly cold blooded way of looking at people, literally innicent babies at this very minute dying from hunger and parents weighing whether it is worth it to get shot by Israeli’s for trying to get any sort of food or water. I am not disregarding the US citizens that are sitting in torture prisons in other countries, they are part of the same hydra
How about you get realistic about what can be done. And do it. Stop wasting time and effort in a distractions form the source of the problem. Wihich is MAGA in power- Israel has nothing holding them back from mass murder.
so we just remove things if they are upsetting? thats even worse than reddit
Pity for you and your poor soul
I dont have a soul, but i do feel consolation that if the heaven biden believes in exists, he aint getting in
The heaven Biden believes in:
“Forgive me father for I have sinned, I drone striked an entire region in the middle east to massive amounts of collateral damage and sent billions of dollars in weapons to Israel to be used against Palestinians.”
“Say 3 Hail Marys and one Our Father and you are forgiven.”
idk, the bible i have read seems a bit like a fairy tail and if you look at what that diety actually did and not what his various phophets since moses have tried to revisio -, that god is not a forgiving god. You cant just keep spinning up new churches to suit your ideal version of god and expect credulity.
You cant just keep spinning up new churches to suit your ideal version of god and expect credulity.
You literally set the criteria as “the heaven Biden believes in”. You’re just arguing with yourself.
yeah i know, its a petty hope anyway and its based on make believe to begin with. Just really hate how instead of doing anything with his presidency he just hurt people with his failures, ineptitude and denial about his lack of capacity for the job. He got what he wanted and noped out leaving people that supported him worse off
After HitlerPig’s 2025 State of the Union speech, new Democratic senator Elissa Slotkin gave the Democratic response, and tried to sell the idea that millions of people in her state voted for her for Senator, but Trump for president.
This past weekend, Amy Klobuchar tried to sell that same fantasy on Meet The Press - that millions in her state voted for her, but also voted for HitlerPig.
I’m sure there are a few people who split their vote, but they have to be as rare as white squirrels. There are supposed to be millions of them, so many that HitlerPig even won EVERY battleground state (an exceptionally unlikely outcome), but I’ve never heard one actual voter claim they voted a straight Democratic ticket, except HitlerPig for president. It sounds ridiculous when you actually say it.
There are supposed to be millions of them, so many that HitlerPig even won EVERY battleground state (an exceptionally unlikely outcome), but I’ve never heard one actual voter claim they voted a straight Democratic ticket, except HitlerPig for president.
If you look at the actual vote counts
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2024_United_States_presidential_election_in_Michigan
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2024_United_States_Senate_election_in_Michigan
Trump | 2,816,636
Harris | 2,736,533
Slotkin | 2,712,686
Rogers | 2,693,680
Harris and Slotkin net out almost perfectly. Trump outran Rogers by over 3% of the vote, which suggests people were showing up to support Mr Cheeto and then leaving the rest of the ballot blank.
That is… not unbelievable. The Trump Cult is strong, while the GOP as a party lags Trump’s personality cult substantially.
Polling gets even worse in other Midwestern states, with Harris outright underwater to her down ballot Dems. But there’s nobody in the GOP Trump doesn’t outpace. The idea that people are voting Trump + Dem is far less likely than voting Trump + Nobody.
Citing the vote counts to prove the point that the election was “fair & square” is like using the Bible to prove that God is real. Of course they prove HitlerPig won, they’re rigged! We’re supposed to believe he won EVERY swing state? No Republican has won the popular vote since 1988, but we’re supposed to believe the least popular Republican president in decades, one who actually LOST his reelection by a wide margin, is the guy to break that streak? Ridiculous.
What makes more sense to me, and is supported by the evidence and personal statements by the players themselves, is that they rigged the election, especially in the swing states, assisted by the richest man in the world (and his army of some of the best tech experts in the world), and Putin, who we know has been actively pursuing cyber-espionage for years.
When will people internalize that the two biggest FOREIGN Sociopathic Oligarchs, one with a government superpower at his disposal, another with the largest fortune on the planet, neither with any loyalty or patriotism toward America, have partnered up with the most prolific traitor in American history, to exploit our country in every way possible? None of them care about history or legacy or reputation, they see America as a rich, fat, lazy target, ripe for exploitation and looting.
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The case the election is rigged is also based on citing the purportedly fraudulent election results.
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Republicans won the popular vote in 2024.
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The swing state results are not independent variables. They usually swing together.
Is it possible the election was rigged? Sure. But the evidence so far is pretty weak.
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I mean, I’m going to remain skeptical of widespread fraud until proven otherwise. The thing that people keep forgetting is that almost all states have some random spot checks built into their vote-counting process. Just as a matter of regular course, they’ll randomly select a certain number of ballots and compare the hand-counted and machine-counted results.
Also, fuck Trump, but I don’t really see anything odd about the idea that far more people would vote for Trump than a Republican Senate candidate. Trump’s whole shtick is getting low-propensity politically disengaged people to vote for him. And look at how low Congress’s approval ratings are. A fair number of people coming out just to vote for Trump is not unreasonable.
For the uninitiated: The Alt-Right Playbook’s “You Go High, We Go Low”
“Treat the situation like it’s fair… because that’s what they should have done when it actually was”
This is why manual hand counted votes still happen to this day in Canada and Australia. They both faced the same MAGA threat and the lib won.
Yes it takes longer. And sometimes results will take weeks to resolve but at least they don’t end up in a situation like this where the entire system is so corrupt 4 months later it’s near impossible to fix it.
They both faced the same MAGA threat and the lib won.
Largely thanks to the local public backlash to Trump tariffs. If Kamala had prevailed in November, both countries would likely have MAGA governments today.
Yeah, it’s weird to be an American and hope the silver lining of trump is that the rest of the world keeps making better choices in response to how bad this is.
Part of the Trump brand is “Fuck you, I’ve got mine” which isn’t condusive to international coalitions.
Hell, just look at the Ukraine/Russia conflict. As soon as Trump got Zelensky to sign a bunch of Western Ukrainian real estate over to his cronies, he unleashed a large traunch of weapons to fuck over Putin. As soon as he got another Perfect Phone Call from Xi, and secured some unspecified promise, the Chinese tariffs evaporated.
My man stands for nothing that won’t fit into his pocket.
We can’t say that. We don’t know what would’ve happened in Canada if Trump lost.
If Trump lost:
- Trudeau might not have resigned
- if he did, Carney might not have became liberal leader
- The election probably wouldn’t have even happened yet, and the campaign likely would’ve been longer when it was.
- Every party would have run very different campaigns since the top issues wouldn’t have been US relations
A lot of things could’ve been different, but most notably:
- PP might not have run a Trump-esk populist attack campaign.
For all we know PP wouldn’t be seen as “the same MAGA threat”
Same in Germany
Oh I can think of one way to fix it… might be the only way left to us now
Please don’t say “the lib won” the liberals in Australia are a right wing party. US paradigms are not universal, just say left or right
Note to mention that not only are they harder to scale attacks against, manual vote counts are easier to trust, As anyone can understand the process and how it ensured that their vote counted.
No matter how well they are protected it’s hard to explain to the average person how a computer ensures their vote was counted correctly.
It doesn’t take longer. France announces the preliminary results of an election 2 hours after the polling places close.
I wonder if this is Musks “you wouldnt have won the election without me” quote.
Trump said months before the election that he’s got it covered and he isn’t worried about it. Why would that be? He told us what he was doing at the time, his people were rigging it.
I also strongly believe in their use of projecting as a preemptive defensive strategy.
They say “you cheated you cheated you cheated!” so we reply “you’re nuts there’s no evidence, it’s all a conspiracy theory” so then they can cheat later on and turn it around on you when you go to investigate. “Oh now it’s true because you lost? Yeah yeah yeah…”
They’re always playing psychological warfare with the population… :(
They’re always playing psychological warfare with the population… :(
Why can’t we do psychological warfare on them? I thought they were so much dumber than us.
They already believe it’s happening to them which is why they refuse to listen to any source of information that isn’t from their preferred brand.
There are plenty of intelligent MAGA that just have an innate bias that they want to have confimed so they allow themselves to be convinced by mis/disinformation. To admit you were wrong, or to accept that you misunderstood actually creates a “pain” type response that people are very adverse to, there are also the types that have so entrenched themselves in their political beliefs that it becomes their identity. This form of physiological warfare I mentioned is just one way of allowing these people to maintain their identity and to give them a “valid” defense against inconvenient information.
Over time a person can be chipped away at, but if you always give them an answer then they never have to suffer the thought that they were ever wrong about anything so they can remain on “your side.”
A strongmen is elected for seeming strong. Of course he will say beforehand that he is certain that he will win. Saying anything else would harm is brand and make less people vote for him. Trump claiming to be successful at anything and everything also isn’t something new for him. He did that his entire (adult) life.
This is evidence for Trump being a narcissist and liar, but with the amount of lies, delusional and nonsensical claims he makes, this can be hardly taken as evidence for election fraud.
And even:
Yes, Trump said Musk knows vote-counting computers ‘better than anybody’
He knows those computers better than anybody. All those computers. Those vote-counting computers. And we ended up winning Pennsylvania like in a landslide.
— trump, on stage at a victory rally in Washington, D.C., on Jan. 19, 2025
The idiot can’t keep his mouth shut and basically blabbed exactly what they were doing, yet nobody really listened.
It will never cease to astound me.
It definitively is, he similar to trump dies not have a filter. He just counts on things being ambiguous enough that won’t affect him.
You might wanna call a hospital, pretty sure you were in the middle of a stroke when writing that.
I will point out that this cannot change the result of the presidential election, since Trump didn’t win the state in question anyway.
It might open an investigation into other places.
Like in Pennsylvania, perhaps, where he all but admitted to fucking with the voting machines.
Or Michigan and Wisconsin where the machines are easily audited
Almost like it actually happened and there was no evidence of fraud
Almost like a partial recount isn’t enough.
Casual dismissal of statistically relevant recount and largest recount ever in Wisconsin, even including compared to 2020.
Local elections officials in 336 randomly selected municipalities across the state hand-counted 327,230 ballots as part of the 2024 audit. That is nearly 10% of all Wisconsin ballots cast in the 2024 election and the largest post-election audit ever undertaken in the state.
The only errors found during the audit were made by people, not the vote-counting machines. And only five human errors were detected, resulting in an error rate of just 0.0000009%, according to the report.
Yes. I read that. I’m also familiar with the voting village at defcon. They had years to plan and do recon. Half measures don’t cut it.
It depends on who did the cheating and how prolific it is in other states and counties.
I will point out that if they did it in a state they weren’t going to win and that would be too suspicious for them to actually win in the first place, why wouldn’t they replicate it in a state they actually needed and on which his election actually hinged? Just means New York was a control/test case
Frankly after election there are two things that bugged me in California. There was a proposition that removed mandatory work requirement for inmates comparing it to a modern day slavery. There was no one who was willing to endorse vote against it (I suppose due to optics) yet the proposition failed.
When he visited CA after fires were already put down and made that spectacle with water dam, he also mentioned that he had a good feeling about next election.
I have a feeling that maybe CA voting is also compromised and this was a test for California, as trump winning here would be extremely suspicious, but no one will care about this proposition.
That one isn’t suspicious to me. US public opinion has always had very little regard for anyone who’s incarcerated. Hence, once the system gets ahold of you, you’re fucked whether you’re guilty or not (unless you’re wealthy).
The point is that it all needs to be looked at and reverified
OK, next question: Let’s say we do a ‘recount’ at this hour, assuming the evidence isn’t already lost, what then?
Think he’s going to go, ohh my bad?
Think he’s going to leave willingly?
Think the court case will even be appropriately handled once it goes to the SCOTUS.
Think the SCOTUS will even hear it?
How is it 100 days later, we just now hear about this?
It’s…not 100 days later. Its about 190 days later.
fair
I think the best outcome would be that it might uncover deliberate malfeasance that might prompt some folks in congress to do what is needed. I wouldn’t be optimistic though.
Slightly more likely is that such discovery would drive the public towards a congressional swing away from his enablers at the next congressional election next year, assuming we have it. I’m moderately more optimistic on that, apparently such a swing is already forming, but to what extent isn’t clear.
We can’t undo the election results, the congressional count done on jan 6 is definitive.
I fear, if it looks like Congress isn’t going his way he’s just going to seize control.
Even if this is true, I don’t think they’re going to find the number of votes to change any outcome. Didn’t Trump win by like 3 million votes? Maybe this could have flipped an electoral college vote, but would that have even mattered?
I don’t think it should necessarily be about overturning the election. I would like to know if our process was compromised, wouldn’t you?
It absolutely was. It means fuckall unless something is done about it.
It’s a significant assumption that this was an isolated incident.
Even if it’s not isolated, how do you move forward after this unless someone involved confesses and gives up other areas involved? Maybe they weren’t dumb enough to be this obvious in other spots.
Ideally, you start demanding recounts But I can’t imagine that votes are properly taken care of after the fact especially in this case.
But then if we find mass wrongdoing in counts, now it’s a court thing, It goes to SCOTUS. Are they going to side with him? Frankly, there’s no way. It’s going to be authoritarian dictatorship or coup I don’t think there’s any other viable directions this could go.
Is that your general experience with people doing dumb things? That they only do it once?
I think something like this where the fuck up gets noticed could be done at the poll level to some extent. Orders from above how to it, and this one person or area may have just fucked it up.
So these people would probably fuck things up again, but people at a different poll could do it properly.
Kamala carried New York either way, it absolutely would not change anything in the EC
e: unless it led to the uncovering of widespread fraud in key swing states, but even then they wouldn’t do shit
Best case scenarios aren’t really on the table. Doesn’t mean you stop fighting.
I can see how it looks like I’m saying that I’m not advocating that at all. I just want to make sure that people understand this isn’t a direct path to change.
Even a direct admission will not change anyone’s mind. You are at best removing a couple of easy outs** for them to lie and say that’s not how it is. In the end they’re just going to lie and say that it’s not real.
It’ll be satisfying. It might make some already engaged people a little more engaged, But it isn’t **in itself going to drive the needle we’re going to need more.
All correct
Oops forgot to make the lie a little more believable.
Different Oops?
They fully believed nobody would call them on it, partly because of the path they’d laid with the media. And they were right.
Statistically it is very unlikely this would happen given the votes for other Democrats down ticket. It would be like betting on an old horse to win a race and somehow winning.
Other irregularities are down ballot Dwmocrat votes. That somehow selected trump he presidents. Such a statistically improbable result
Also from a technical and logistics perspective, Russia already hacked into a variety of polling stations over the last few years and did seemingly nothing but gather information and plan. Technically this isn’t hard or even expensive.
So wait a minute here guys, you’re telling me that the man who was convicted by a unanimous jury of fraud (cheating) in the 2016 election, the same guy who called the governors of various states and asked them to ‘find him some votes’ in 2020, did not run a clean honest campaign in 2024???
Get the EFF out of here!!
Leave the Electronic Frontier Foundation out of this.
You forgot the part where he said he didn’t need your votes because he already won…
https://www.huffpost.com/entry/donald-trump-laura-ingraham-future-voting_n_66a85c2ae4b0e33a3bb7cd36
Nah it’s liberal propaganda. Anyways let’s storm the capital
Ikr? Absolutely mind blowing
Wasn’t it the same guy that congratulated Elon Musk for his involvement in getting him elected? I don’t know, must be fluke.
This stuff has been going on for a loooong time:
Interview with Stephen Spoonamore on of the electronic voting issues that have been raised for a while now:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BRW3Bh8HQic
if you want to jump right to his explanation/comparison to his work with securing credit card transactions against “man in the middle” attacks:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=BRW3Bh8HQic#t=873
The filing also includes the revealing deposition of the late Michael Connell. Connell served as the IT guru for the Bush family and Karl Rove. Connell ran the private IT firm GovTech that created the controversial system that transferred Ohio’s vote count late on election night 2004 to a partisan Republican server site in Chattanooga, Tennessee owned by SmarTech. That is when the vote shift happened, not predicted by the exit polls, that led to Bush’s unexpected victory. Connell died a month and a half after giving this deposition in a suspicious small plane crash.
Additionally, the filing contains the contract signed between then-Ohio Secretary of State J. Kenneth Blackwell and Connell’s company, GovTech Solutions. Also included that contract a graphic architectural map of the Secretary of State’s election night server layout system.
Cliff Arnebeck, lead attorney in the King Lincoln case, exchanged emails with IT security expert Stephen Spoonamore. Arnebeck asked Spoonamore whether or not SmarTech had the capability to “input data” and thus alter the results of Ohio’s 2004 election. Spoonamore responded: “Yes. They would have had data input capacities. The system might have been set up to log which source generated the data but probably did not.”
Spoonamore explained that “they [SmarTech] have full access and could change things when and if they want.”
Arnebeck specifically asked “Could this be done using whatever bypass techniques Connell developed for the web hosting function.” Spoonamore replied “Yes.”
Breakdown of why Electronic voting in general is incredibly insecure:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w3_0x6oaDmI
Documentary going into Clint Curtis’s story:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GhBtfiRKaVY
(the guy from this video):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JEzY2tnwExs
Fractional Voting:
http://blackboxvoting.org/fraction-magic-1/
HBO documentary Hacking Democracy:
In the 2000 election cycle, electronic voting machines manufactured by Diebold used Microsoft Access as the underlying database for storing vote counts. Only techie oldheads will remember this, but in the world of electronic data storage Access was basically a toy. Access databases did have an audit table (which tracks every change made to the data), but the audit table was hand-editable.
I remember asking a few weeks after the election if anyone at all was talking about it being rigged. It seemed at the time everyone just accepted the result. Only in the past month or so have I started seeing talk of it.
Leading up to the election all we were talking about is how trump got ahold of documents through court filings that would show exactly how the voting machines worked. Crazy how thst talking point just fell away.
At this point we know the who, the why, the what, and the how. We need to figure out the where and when.
We need the actual “it was actually done” versus “the circumstances were created such that it could have been done”
I hate to bring up that site, but reddit.com/r/somethingiswrong2024 has been all over it since November.
Genuinely curious why time is being wasted on this? Is there any other evidence that suggests a good reason for even trying?
Look for example at Ramapo 58 district:
Harris only got a single vote in a district that historically votes for Democrats. What are the odds. But maybe Democrats just lost popularity.
But then look at Senate
Now democratic candidate wins by 94.12% what are the odds?
And this is not a single district, there are many others like that.
odds and probability are unimportant to me. I’m only concerned with the reasons these investigations are continuing. What does justice look like in best and worst case scenarios?
Honestly? More scrutiny on the next votes would be a win.
win for whom? Democracy? For the people? For the future generations or just the wealthy?
our election was, literally, stolen. Trump and his fascists have spent years calling his loss to Biden “stolen” which ultimately harmed any real attempts at calling out future election results. many statisticians are sounding the alarm bells—something is wrong. the data doesn’t lie and the voting heavily implies manipulation. there is a group investigating our election results and making their findings public. they are very concerned with what they are uncovering.
I think the stupidity of the electorate is being vastly underestimated here.
Most likely a mix of everything. I am sure that Republicans tried to win with illegal (vote tampering) and legal (voter suppression, gerrymandering, etc…) methods. Combined with a dumbass population, everything is possible.
I do believe people were calling me alarmist for noticing strange patterns.
Like winning all 7 swing states? Your fucking kidding me right?
It is weird but how do you explain that it was a global phenomenon?
Also not surprising that investigations weren’t pushed harder after election and before new administration. Biden and Garland should’ve put throttle down on a five-alarm-fire investigation into election. Did they? No. Surprised? Not at all.
Transitions shouldn’t necessarily be smooth if an election was potentially fraudulent — peaceful, yes.
Biden and Garland should’ve put throttle down on a five-alarm-fire investigation into election.
For that matter, Obama should have conducted an investigation into the 2016 election when he still had the power to do so.
Don’t EVER mention that piece of shit quisling coward Merrick Garland without also cursing him ever again.
Wild that that dude was almost a SCOTUS justice.
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Considering how much of a strangle the right has over most media, I didn’t consider it surprising. I wouldn’t be surprised if it was rigged though.
If Trump had been blowing people out like Reagan did Mondale, ok, but the races were close.
