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Propaganda is when you punch someone in the face and then quote them saying “I’ll kill you” instead of mentioning the face punch.
Dear Iran, leave us Americans out of this fight. Your fight is with trump alone, we are hostages of him. Thank you for coming to my Ted talk
Live by the sword, die by the sword. We let Gazan children die because of who their parents voted for. I’m not saying two wrong make a right but that doing what is right starts with us.
I admit I failed to press the button that would have solved that
admitting it is cool and all, but would have been super awesome if you weren’t a huge pile of shit 8 months ago.
You voted(or didn’t) for him and are responsible. Good luck, leave the rest of the world out of this.
Sincerely the world.
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Yeah, fuck that guy. It’s not fault my a third if the country fell for the propaganda, and a third of the country didn’t care enough to even vote. I will not be held personally responsible for convincing all of the American voting populous to get their heads out of their asses.
It’s hard to blame the people who stayed home when disenfranchisement is an intended feature of your electoral system. The vast majority of people know for a fact that their vote mathematically does not matter and a huge number cannot get time off on the weekday it is scheduled for.
If a full third of people stayed home, that’s a systemic problem, not an individual responsibility problem. Your electoral system is completely captured by capital and you are stuck blaming the electorate.
Folks please: US corruption is not a cultural or personal issue, it is systemic. Power corrupts, not just people, but systems. The US has been at the head of the global hegemon for most of the last century, they have most of the billionaires, of course they are corrupt. That’s where capitalists focus their efforts to get the most returns. It’s not an accident that the guy doing DOGE just happened to be the richest man on the planet.
Maybe focus your energy there instead of on the people who have literally no power.
The vast majority of people know for a fact that their vote mathematically does not matter
If a full third of people stayed home, that’s a systemic problem, not an individual responsibility problem.
You understand that in a two party system, these two statements are basically incompatible?
Especially when you consider that we have early voting starting a month before the election, along with mail-in voting being available in nearly every state. If you didn’t vote, it’s because you didn’t want to vote, not because you couldn’t vote. Yes, some degree of civic participation is expected, welcome to being an adult.
Someone commented just a few days ago that voting blue in OK was pointless. I brought up some stats that if every one of the non-voters in OK had voted in the last election, Kamala could have carried the state with 200k people to spare.
If all of the people who stayed home would have been kamala voters then it sounds like she failed to inspire them to vote. It sounds like she lost an election.
Yes, if an unprecedented, impossible turnout occurred then dems might’ve won, but that’s not actually a strategy, that’s fantasy. Assuming there isn’t some level of divine intervention, then people are right that their vote doesn’t matter, because this is the real world where we already know a plurality of people don’t vote.
It’s almost like voter disenfranchisement works.
I don’t know why liberals can’t get this basic concept: if electoralism is meaningful at all, then the electorate cannot be wrong.
If the electorate voted “wrong” then your democracy doesn’t do what it claims to, it does not represent the people. <- this is actually the correct answer btw
Blaming the electorate achieves nothing.
The electorate didn’t fail the dems, the dems failed the electorate.
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If only there were some way that the people could kind of ha e their say and direct lawmakers th address some of these problems. The people need to choose some kind of representative that propose and pursue these changes. Imagine if you could just kind of “poll” the will of the people and add up everyone’s choices to choose a representative.
Lol
Yeah, the right move here is to refuse to take responsibility. Coward.
Dumbass. I will never take responsibility for some shit I didn’t do. This is the same logic as racism, so get the fuck out of here with you bullshit
You’re doing a great job illustrating why it’s been so easy for the US to completely fuck up everything good it ever had going for it.
Whatever bro. I’m doing everything I can without sacrifice my entire life to the meat grinder. The fact that you’re still free and not in prison is proof that you haven’t done anything more than I have, because all that’s left is the illegal shit.
Hope you keep this attitude when your country does something fucked up.
Look, I get it. You are mad too, that trump is bringing you all down. However, this isn’t just a trump thing. This isn’t just a now thing. This is something that has been going on for decades, maybe even longer than most of us have been alive. The US is known for being arrogant, ignorant, prideful, and idiotic. Most non-americans have talked to americans online over the years and likely tried to explain what is wrong with their country, healthcare, pay, racism, nationalism etc. Most likely have been met with ‘hate us causee they aint us’, ‘better dead than red’. ‘USA USA USA’, or some other prideful bullshit.
For decades you lot have all looked down on the rest of world, assuming you are doing the best, because you are born in the best country in the universe, raised the best way possible, pledging you allegiance to your flags, drinking up the nationalistic propaganda. For decades. And now, this trump shit has made the rest of the world say, nah fam we don’t like this. And you all have the gall to say. Its not us, dont blame us, we didn’t do it.
Like shit. You guys made the bed, and have been making the bed for decades. Just because it’s been shat in now doesn’t mean you didn’t make it.
Grow up, accept that, deal with it. Get your shit in order, fix it.
Maybe then. In a few decades when the world can see you’ve fixed all systemic problems they might accept you again. Maybe.
Mods here are corrupted move along. Deleted my post for telling someone to fuck off who rightfully deserved it. Just as bad as reddit.
No, you’re responsible because you’re doing fuck all about the problem.
we are hostages of him.
lol, you elected him… TWICE
Imagine a group of criminals holding a police station hostage. You are not the hostages, you are the ones who are supposed to take care of the hostage takers.
Oh good. Americans will die.
Trump will be fine.
But Americans are gonna die.
Trump is a traitor Nazi.
More Americans died of Covid than in any war the US was involved since it became a country, yes including the Civil War. The highest death estimate for the Civil War puts it around 750 000 deaths while around 1 200 000 died due to Covid. Most Americans don’t really care about the deaths of their fellow countrymen since, you know, they elected him again.
Fun Fact (I know it’s not that fun): The number of people that died of Covid approaches the total number of people that died in all conflicts the US was involved from 1775 to 2019: 1 300 000 war dead versus 1 200 000 Covid dead
By 2000 more Americans had died of AIDS than any war but the civil war. Though I will admit I was surprised we still didn’t care when it wasn’t just undesirables dying. Turns out we’re able to be ablist enough to declare anyone who dies of disease basically already dead beforehand
there’s still time to get those numbers up
People easily ignore death if it’s not directly connected to them.
Covid killed a lot but we also have many many times more people. The civil war directly effected a higher percent of the population in terms of death the. Covid did.
Covid was also hidden by modern medicine and society then the civil war was in many ways.
Covid to a lot of people just ment things closed sooner and they had to wear a mask. But society was already very insular and detached from the community around them. So it was only a progression of the norm. Unless you payed attention to the news or were in the healthcare industry. All the death was happening behind closed doors hidden away from society at large.
The civil war was best as I know far more impactful to the people because of the closet connection to their communities around them.
It was far more visible in a visceral way.
Maybe they can blow up his hotels and golf courses. He’d actually care more.
Oh good. Americans will die.
Trump will be fine.
I dunno. Iran got caught by American intelligence trying to assassinate Trump not long ago, under Biden.
My money is on Iran enacting a terrorist attack on July 4. It isn’t just Iran’s opportunity to enact mere vengeance, but it is a convenient opportunity to have that vengeance become deeply ingrained into the mind of America for a long time to come. Where we would once have celebrated our independence, that celebration would be contaminated by a horrific attack. It’s not just about enacting petty revenge, but it’d be about sending a message for generations. Also, the date is conveniently close.
Edit: Spelling
Waaayyy more likely Trump nukes them on July 4th just to flex.
That would practically guarantee boots on the ground in Iran and a regime change in 3 months.
Iran’s leaders are dumb, but I don’t think they’re that dumb.
edit hate to repeat a standard antisemitic trope, but Israel would have a big reason to fake that
Typifying a nation state by to it’s goals, rhetoric, and past actions is not antisemitic, but the government of Israel definitely wants you to conflate it as such.
Maybe, but how brutal was it when we went into Afghanistan? Who did we attack when we invaded Afghanistan? Who runs that country now? For all that effort we put into getting rid of Al-Qaeda, they seem to still be running things. If I were a religious zealot, where I think my terrorism gets me into heaven, sending a message to the west in such a terrorist attack might be worth it. After all, the religious leader there is like 80-something, so he might not mind sacrificing the few years he has left for a guaranteed entry into heaven.
The cynic in me is going to bet that the Trump administration already knows an attack is coming, and they will let it happen. It’s an easy reason to implement martial law. Then, with the ongoing emergency he’ll always somehow manage to have manifest when people try to get him to give up power, he’ll let the Iranians attack. Then, another emergency is declared.
I suppose the hit on Bin Laden couldn’t have been launched without significant presence in Afghanistan. Why you stayed there after that though was weird. That seems to have been Obama’s mistake.
The Taliban offered to arrest bin laden for us and Iran offered to help but Bush said nah, halliburton stocks go brrrrrrr
To the surprize of absolutely no one, maybe exept the US government.
And with how ICE is operating infiltration has become easier than ever.
The article provide zero proof of the claim in the title
Its because its israeli News and it fits their propaganda.
While I don’t recommend believing them non-conditionally, Haaretz has generally been opposed to Netanyahu and hid actions, especially after he picked a fight with them earlier this year.
Even the Israeli left parties (and Ha’aretz is on the left) supports war on Iran even if they were less supportive of the genocide in Gaza. They still have a bias.
The headline is somewhat misleading. Iran said US personnel are legitimate targets (meaning those employed by the US government. Not all US citizens.
Although if I were American I would not risk depending on the judgment of a random Iranian soldier.
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Folks have tried a couple of times, unfortunately it never seems to sink in that it generally isn’t worth the trouble.
First sentence:
Iran announced Sunday that any American civilian or military personnel in the region are now considered legitimate targets
So yes, still not all Americans, but no, not just government employees, American civilians too.
But I suspect non-military people will be arrested, not treated as military targets to be attacked or bombed.
Based on that sentence, it even just says “in the region” so hardly “all” Americans
After we’ve droned some of their people. I wouldn’t put money on that.
Haha welp, guess we have airline bombings to look forward to in the future
This timeline fucking blows, guys.
I really don’t think Iran’s leaders are that foolish, after what happened last time someone did that.
The stronger-than-ever Taliban?
How many senior Taliban members are still alive from those days? The organisation persists, most of the leadership didn’t.
Oh yeah America really taught them a lesson by, checks notes, giving Taliban control of Afghanistan, after pouring millions of dollars and ending the lives of thousands of Afghani and Americans
They quite famously killed the guy in charge, is what I’m getting at.
My best guess is that they’ll use biological warfare. Our culture has already demonstrated that this is a huge weakness. They could also get us with a cyber attack, shutting down important infrastructure that way.
Iran would not do that, but you raise an important point about how insanely vulnerable the US is to actual biological attacks.
Could you imagine the US government trying to get Americans to get an anthrax vaccine after a weapon attack?
Our government is exceptional at dealing in violence but inept at handling threats that it can’t beat, shoot, or bomb into submission.
The societal response and government handling of COVID was not at all reassuring. To the point that I let go of any last remaining shred of hope I had for us to turn this ship around on several metrics (e.g. climate change). And unfortunately I think it has gotten even worse, e.g. with the (at least apparent) increase in anti-vaxxers.
Same. My city reopened in Mid-June 2020 and I remember going to the gym and seeing people pretending the virus was gone, no masks, distancing, or wiping down the equipment. People are disgusting.
So I still mask up and carry sanitizer.
Release Ebola or some such thing in America, and the MAGAs will make sure no laws or mandates are passed to prevent it’s spread. 50% of the population will be gone within a year, destroying our society without firing a shot.
It would be oddly poetic to use our own basic grossness against us. Americans have terrible hygiene.
I don’t think they will. We as a species still suffer from diseases where shit comes into contact with our mouth. If we can’t solve fecal-oral diseases, any bioweapon you deploy will infect your own population. It’s why we terminated our bioweapons program. It’s about as discerning as chemical warfare. :P
On a related note, I’d fucking love bidets with dryers to be mandatory at all farms, hospitals, food handling facilities, markets, and restaurants. It would minimize the impact of fecal-oral diseases, especially with improper handwashing and food handling (eg, not wearing gloves).
Iran isn’t known for it’s cybersecurity divisions. Right wing states generally aren’t good with technology. So I’m not worried about a cyber attack.
In fact, it’s tough to say what Iran’s military capacity is at all. We pelt them with drone strikes and long range missiles constantly and they seem like they can do nothing about it. We keep talking about all this enriched uranium they possess, but do they even possess the capacity to deliver the payload to our domestic soil before we thwart them?
They’ll likely go after Israel first, so we’ll soon see the extent of their armaments.
Fellow muricans; stay out of metropolitan areas on July 4th. My guess is that we’re going to see the inevitable marriage of military and local law enforcement using the “iranian sleeper sell agents biden let loose in our country” angle instead. Faux news frontpage is laying the groundwork as of yesterday.
Meh, not much to celebrate in this sick joke of a country right now anyway.
sleeper sell agents
Damn, they must be really good at selling if they can do it in their sleep!
Lol… work brain seeped through. Pump those numbers up!
We’re like Pokémon! Everyone everywhere wants to catch us. At home they really want to send people to Guantanamo. Abroad they need to exchange us for people kidnapped in el Salvador.
That’s how they’ve viewed US citizens since about 1979. Trump is an asshole, but going after the Islamic Republic of Iran is not in the top 100 worst things he’s done.
Buy the ticket, take the ride!
🎶 Everybody’s going to the party, have a real good time
Dancing in the desert, blowing up the sunshine 🎶
WHY DO THEY ALWAYS SEND THE POOR??
Politicians hide themselves away
They only started the war
Why should they go out to fight?
They leave that role to the poor,
