• @[email protected]
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    1518 days ago

    NK is a bad enough place to visit without worrying about everything. It’s the ultimate in mismanagement.

    Management says it must happen, so it happens, or we tell them it’s happened. When someone gets hurt because it actually didn’t happen, there’s a cover up.

  • NotAGamer
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    3118 days ago

    Only a moron would want to visit North Korea where Kim Jung Un will have you killed for saying anything negative about him or the country.

    • @[email protected]
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      1118 days ago

      I’d love to go there, and Iran, but I’m not stupid. The foreign culture would be amazing.

        • @[email protected]
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          1518 days ago

          I’m going to give you the benefit of the doubt and respond to your 4-word insult comment, because I think it’s important and I’m assuming you either didn’t realize that OP is saying they currently won’t go there because of the political situation, or you’re saying that the existence of the current political situation completely erases any potential historical or cultural value the people and the country may have or have ever had or ever will have and that’s a really awful thing to say and I can’t imagine how someone could have that attitude without intentional hyperbole unless they’re being a disgustingly intolerant bigot.

          Iran is a beautiful country, in most of its history it was Persia. They were fierce warriors yes but also academics and scholars. They provided the foundation of modern astronomy and mathematics and were a beacon of civilization and education. We literally use “arabic” numbers today because of them. There is beautiful architecture, beautiful geography, beautiful wildlife in Iran and none of that had any choice about the government. There are wonderful people there, including ones who protest the regime and fight for democracy and human rights.

          The modern tyrannical islamofascist government sucks and of course nobody should go there now or at any foreseeable point in the future, but it’s not stupid to want to go there, and if they had a safe, friendly democratic nation (which it should be pointed out many of the people in Iran and who have fled Iran’s current regime would also like) I absolutely would love to visit too. I’m less interested in North Korea, personally, but I can understand that it might appeal to others and there might be interesting places and things and people there too that I’m just not interested in or don’t know about. I would also love to go to Russia too. Again, I would only do that without the government or the bad parts of their culture, but I still love many of the parts of their history and culture. I don’t hate the people or the land. I hate the evil governments and the shitty cultural attitudes.

          Try not to have shitty cultural attitudes yourself, appreciate and avoid invalidating the good parts of other people’s cultures, and it will help the world to be a better place where we can all get along.

          • NotAGamer
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            118 days ago

            I made my point that only a complete idiot would “vacation” in North Korea under it current political leadership.

            • @[email protected]
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              217 days ago

              You need to work on your reading comprehension then, because as I said:

              OP’s comment is clearly saying they currently won’t go there because of the political situation. That’s why they said “BUT I’m not stupid”. They are agreeing that it would be stupid to go there now, that’s why their statement of wanting to go there is made conditional on a “but” that is false.

              Like saying, “I love spicy food and I wish I could eat a whole ghost pepper at once, BUT I’m not stupid [implied: so I WON’T eat a whole ghost pepper at once]”

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          Watch the Anthony Bourdain “Parts Unknown” episode about Iran for some perspective without the propaganda… Just like the US, the government is awful, but the people, in general, seem wonderful.

          I would hope that people from other countries would give me the benefit of the doubt that myself and every other American aren’t pieces of shit just because our government is literally evil.

          • @[email protected]
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            818 days ago

            I don’t know any north Koreans, but all Iranians I have met are amazing, warm, open minded people.

          • NotAGamer
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            118 days ago

            I am specifically talking abou North Korea you moron.

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          We’re there now. Im indigenous Central American but live in Canada. I have tattoos, and a ton of anti trump stuff on my phone. If I tried to enter the us I would immediately get hauled off and tossed in a gulag, back to a Central American shithole like where I started

  • I Cast Fist
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    1518 days ago

    Interestingly, I’ve recently watched Real Life Lore’s video on the topic. It’s from 2 months ago and later in the video, it talks about the last batch of western foreigners that got in and how the regime almost immediately regretted letting them record and talk as much as they did.

    There was also a S. Korean resort ran by Hyundai, from 1998 to 2008, which got shut down and nationalized after an incident had the N. Koreans shoot and kill Park Wang-ja, a 53 year old woman.

  • Lexam
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    2718 days ago

    It will be a Trump hotel and MAGA nuts will go stay there.

    • @[email protected]
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      2218 days ago

      Anyone who goes there of their own free will should know that they could end up like Otto Warmbier at any time. No tears will be shed for them.

      • @[email protected]
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        2018 days ago

        They are likely betting on Chinese/Russian tourists. No way Kim lays a finger on a PRC citizen.

      • Jack
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        318 days ago

        You are talking about a fellow human being…

        • @[email protected]
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          1118 days ago

          Yes, which is why it’s important for them to realize what they’re getting themselves into. Did Warmbier deserve what happened to him? Absolutely not, but knowing what happened and still going over there to play tourist means you’ve understood, accepted and internalized the possible risk. I will reserve my tears for the many thousands of people who get into trouble through no fault of their own.

          • @[email protected]
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            117 days ago

            When i went to Singapore, people told me that they arrest you there if you spit on the street or litter and find just any kind of drugs on you. I was like cool, i’m not doing all these things anyway and when i go somewhere i adjust myself to the country. Same goes for NK. You know where you are going, and even if the laws are stupid and no one deserves what he got, everyone who takes secret pictures or takes stuff they don’t want you to can expect the worst. Personally i would love to go to see NK, and i wouldn’t break any of their stupid laws, but i also don’t trust them enough and assume they can and will jail you anyway if they really want to.

  • BarqsHasBite
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    1418 days ago

    Some observers say this is an easy way for Pyongyang to earn money. While foreign tourists are allowed in, tour groups largely tend to come from China and Russia, countries with whom Pyongyang has long maintained friendly relations.

  • @[email protected]
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    1717 days ago

    Hear that conservatives?

    You can visit the country you’re trying to make our country look like.

    You can get a good long look at what your dipshittery leads to. But only if you have the balls to leave the resort.

    • @[email protected]
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      2118 days ago

      They do have a tourism industry, composed of ideological “true believers” (not that big of a group), tourists wanting to experience the unique culture out of curiosity (or - in the more recent years - also to produce social media content), and tourists interested in the unique architecture.

      In the overwhelming amount of cases, it also goes well enough, because it is a welcome avenue to get foreign currency for them, and despite what some may believe, the state is still fully within the dynamics of capital accumulation. (Other examples are: contractors in construction, where they have unique know-how in monumental constructions, which is also one of the places where the exploitation of their populace as wage labourers can become visible to the outside world - and selling stamps and other collectibles in demand for being “exotic” as they are from NK.)

      But then, every now and again, you have cases like Otto Warmbier.

  • Jack
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    9418 days ago

    I tried to go, but had funny pictures of the vice supreme leader and wasn’t allowed in the country…