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Don’t just vote, organize as well. Electoralism without orginization accomplishes little at best.
I can’t say in the right words what a terrible choice Clinton was, and the party that let that nomination race play out as it did should be blamed for the result.
I’d greatly, greatly prefer an actually progressive candidate over Clinton. But I still disagree that Clinton ass a terrible choice from an objective viewpoint. The main way I can see her being terrible is largely simply in the “meta” for US elections, since she had been attacked so hard by Republicans and generally wasn’t very charismatic (not that Biden is either).
In terms of experience, she was undeniably unbeatable and I’m convinced she would have simply been Obama v1.1 in terms of policy.
IMO the strong, strong opposition to her was heavily influenced by sexism and people drinking the GOP’s propaganda. She was held to different standards than a male candidate with the same experience.
And the whole complaints about the party favouring her? So what? Of course they favoured the strongest candidate. I personally love Sanders (and if I were American, he’d have my vote), but I know he’d have an even harder time winning the general. Nor do I think it makes sense to hate Clinton herself because her party favoured her so strongly. Some “Bernie bros” were utterly bizarre in their behavior and I can only assume were trolls, as no well informed person would vote for Trump or not vote at all simply because Sanders wasn’t on the general ballot. I mean, there’s a reason he endorsed Clinton at the end.
Not american either, but I followed it. During the nomination race, Trump had already been confirmed as the Republican nominee. There was various polling done while the Democrat race was still up, and Sanders polled quite a bit more likely to defeat Trump than Hillary. Which obviously turned out to be the case. So I don’t know how certain your “strongest candidate” statement is. Polls are not facts, but it seemed to indicate something there that the leadership of the Dems ignored.
I think a lot of opposition to her was that she was a war hawk. She was openly calling for the US to bomb Syria and establish no fly zones there, which would have also escalated a potential conflict with Russia. I don’t know a single person in my life who wanted the US to get involved in another useless war.
I agree. I voted for Hillary, but we were all sick of the dynastic candidates back then. Two Bushes followed by two Clinton’s rubbed people the wrong way.
Plus, the right had been demonizing Hillary for so long, people on both sides were tired of it.
That’s all before actual policy issues.
She was a poor candidate choice.
We also can’t forget that Bush lost and the Dems rolled over and let that happen. I honestly don’t see how Bush was any less bad for us than Trump but for some reason everyone is just cool with it.
Agreed. It’s recency bias. Reagan caused horrible damage as well. I don’t remember much specific about Bush Srs fckery.
9/11 was coopted into some seriously bad actions and policy. If it weren’t for the attack Bush 2 may have been a 1 term president.
Thank you! Other platforms are so astroturfed that this fact is often covered up with accusations of sexism. The fact is that ever poll at the time said that everyone could beat Trump except for her. She was political poison and her and the DNC cheated to make her the candidate which scared off even more voters. She is the reason we suffered as a country, not the supposed savior!
We needed candidates that inspire people like Obama did (even though Obama threw the organizational infrastructure in the trash after his win). Hillary… did not.
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What’s even more upsetting is the republicans held a Supreme Court nominee hostage for a year.
Don’t forget that they then went and did the exact thing that they used as an excuse for holding up the Obama nomination - voted in Coney Barret in an election year.
They are truly disgusting, self-serving garbage with no regard for any of the consequences they are bringing down on the public. Essentially, a complete and utter lack of empathy. Which is a trait I tend to find in the people in my life that still vote for Trump/Republicans.
And despite all that, Biden refuses to stack the courts because… Oh no, it might encourage Republicans to “start” playing dirty with the supreme court! 😯
I understand the sentiment, but this gives off major “TOLD YOU SO” vibes. The better message is to get people to vote based on recent accomplishments rather than “tHiNgS wOuLd HaVe BeEn BeTteR iF hIlArY wOn”
I think this was a rebuttal with hindsight as evidence for the “BoTh SiDeS aRe JuSt As BaD” folks from 2016.
it was not just one election, the democrats have done nothing but bend over backwards and fold every time the Republicans do some shit. Im over it, we cant trust the Democrats to ever organize or do shit, and we can always trust the Republicans to cheat and lie.
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In an alternate timeline, Bernie wins the nomination and cleans up the general.
Problem is democrats are just looking out for different rich people.
Hate to break the news to you, but all of them are looking out for different rich people. Bernie included
Wrong. Bernie is one of the few who is willing to take from the rich to give to the poor.
All politicians, including Bernie must cater to the rich and wealthy. It’s our jobs as voters to discern the true reason why they do it. It’s a cruel reality that without the support of the wealthy, no one will make it to congress to effect change. Every successful politician knows this very well. They know not to bite the hand that feeds, so each one (*that works for progress and not personal gain) must walk a very thin line to effect that change while also making sure they aren’t removed from office for fear that whatever they did could quickly be undone.
Bernie is in it for the right reasons. Biden and Clinton were in it for the right reasons. Having personally interacted with a few politicians in private settings (no cameras or hidden recorders) I can say that even some Republicans are in it for the right reasons, but differ in ideology and how to effect that change. In the end they play a fictional role when tv cameras are around.
Personally, I was most impressed by my interactions with Marco Rubio of all people. He’s exceptionally bright, and cares very deeply about the protection of this country, and it’s a very good thing he is vice chairman (or chairman during Republican senates) of the Senate Intelligence Committee as it seems to be his calling. It’s just unfortunate that in front of the cameras, he needs to dumb himself down in order to get elected by Republican voters.
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Neither major candidate got more than 50% of the popular vote even in my very red state. It’s not a problem with people going out and voting, the voting public just didn’t like either candidate. 2016 was the first election I supported a third party, and it was the first time my parents supported an independent.
Both candidates really sucked. Trump was bad enough that I voted for Biden, despite really not liking Biden. He had almost no chance to win by state, but I still voted for him anyway just to send a message.
We need to fix our electoral system. Instead of voting for the lesser of two evils, I should be able to vote for everyone I am comfortable with. We should adopt either an approval system, range/ranked voting, or some other system other than FPTP. If you want more people to vote, that’s how you get it. Make it so people can vote their conscience without feeling like they’re throwing their vote away and maybe people will care more.
Always vote 3rd party or independent at the local level (after researching) because it’s the only way to change things over time.
ALWAYS do your research.
Nothing pisses me off more than a party voter who votes “because they know what’s best for me.”(quote from my dad, btw.) Unless you own a fortune 500 company, no they fucking don’t…
Absolutely. I rarely vote for the majority party candidate, and I’ll often rotate between the minority (Dem in my case) and third parties/independents depending on the candidate.
I’m not in a swing state, so I have the benefit of always feeling like I can always vote my conscience instead of picking the lesser of two evils. However, that should ideally be the case everywhere, so we really need voting reform so you can always vote your conscience without worrying about “a vote for X is a vote for Y” nonsense.
Brother the sinile nommer has been president for a while now. Give it a break and go complain to him
Which one?
I want the timeline where West Palm Beach used a normal ballot and Gore won 2000. Much better point of diversion.
The candidate who made such a big deal out of climate change South Park devoted an episode to making fun of him. Aaaand then they took it back, apologized, and the educated public has begun accepting climate change.
USA could’ve been world leaders in green tech in 2001, and instead they’re just now catching up in 2023.
I want the timeline where Hinkley was a better shot.
“If things weren’t the way they actually are, things would be different!”
Man, people did vote.
Why’s the alternative timeline still have to be total garbage lol. You’re making up a completely fictional timeline, have some respect for yourself man, jesus
Right? Hillary wins, Democrats still have less than 60 in the Senate, and no Supreme Court justices get appointed, including RBG’s seat after she passes. Next Republican president wins, Kennedy retires, and Gorsuch, Kavanaugh and Barret still get appointed. The end.
Harry Reid (D) changed the law in 2013 such that supreme court nominees only need 51 votes for confirmation.
- Gorsuch 54-45
- Kavanaugh 50-48
- Barrett 52-48
No, that was for other judicial nominees. McConnell extended it to Supreme Court nominees in 2017 after 2 failed cloture votes on Gorsuch’s nomination. Which he obviously wouldn’t have done if Hillary won.
It wasn’t (and isn’t) a law. It’s a procedural norm that the Senate follows (except when they don’t want to) to make judicial branch nominees need to overcome a filibuster for approval, but it wasn’t required. In the past, most judges would get confirmed in the Senate with votes in the 95-0 range. Here’s a list of Senate SC confirmations. Many passed with voice votes only (didn’t even count). One (Matthews) even got confirmed with a vote of 24-23 (less than half of the total Senate voting at all).
That was, until Mitch McConnell decided he would completely block Barrack Obama’s appointments, not just to the Supreme Court, but to any federal court. McConnell blocking all Obama appointees in 2012(ish) led to Harry Reid removing the filibuster “requirement” in 2013 when the Senate made their rules. This back and forth between McConnell and Reid was really an extension from McConnell’s time as a staffer I’m the Senate when Nixon was in the White House, which the PBS article talks about. We’re just now (in the last decade or so) seeing the effects of things McConnell decided in the 60s. This is gutter politics resulting from the Senate’s bullshit rules that allow the minority party to prevent change unless it benefits the rich and powerful.
::sobs in rural Indiana::
