• @[email protected]
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    2502 years ago

    Fruits that fall off the tree ferment and make alcohol. Monkeys, apes, and other animals eat them for the alcoholic effect.

  • @[email protected]
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    392 years ago

    For anyone that doesnt know, humans have evolved a significant tolerance to alcohol because it does infact exist in nature in rotting fruit (you take what you can in 400000 bc) there are reports of moose losing it after only a few fermented Apples. And Elephant reportedly can get deliriously drunk off of a single beer.

  • Pandantic [they/them]
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    362 years ago

    Yea fuck the Catholics in particular, drinking all that wine like it’s the “blood of Christ”. Like Christ would ever touch alcohol!

    • @[email protected]
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      202 years ago

      He also only turned the water into wine because his mother nagged him to do it. Two of the people thought to be the most perfect and infallible in Christian tradition are actually fallen people. I think it’s pretty noble to abstain from alcohol or other addictions but the way this guy does it is so belittling.

    • Ech
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      52 years ago

      Just swap the first vowel in each name and you’ve got a great parody account

    • @[email protected]OPM
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      72 years ago

      It sounds like the name of a Will Farrell character! I can’t find anything to suggest it isn’t his real name - and tiff doesn’t seem to be short for anything either.

      • CarlsIII
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        72 years ago

        Could be Tiffany. The musician Tiffany had a song called “Tiff’s Back”.

        • @[email protected]OPM
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          32 years ago

          I knew a girl at uni called Tiffany but she went by Tipp/Tipper. I’d definitely chose that over Tiff personally.

  • @[email protected]
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    1212 years ago

    There is an old Disney documentary called “Animals are Beautiful People”. There is a segment of the movie dedicated to showing how monkeys, elephants, giraffes, and other animals can get shitfaced off rotten fruit.

    • RaivoKulli
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      Someone posted that clip before midsummer and I still chuckle at one of the replies. Something like “I’m laughing at the dumb hangover animals even though I know for a fact I’ll be in the same state tomorrow”.

    • Rozaŭtuno
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      Some birds also intentionally make fruit ferment and then get shit-faced off of it. Humans are hardly the first species on this planet to make booze.

    • @[email protected]
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      272 years ago

      There’s a type of lemur that gets hammered by stimulating a poisonous millipede and ingesting it’s poison.

    • @[email protected]
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      112 years ago

      Used to go sit under the fig tree as a kid and watch hammered parrots fall out of the tree and stagger around.

  • Dick Justice
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    492 years ago

    I went to a church when I was a kid that taught that wine was completely non-alcoholic in biblical times.

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      502 years ago

      Remarkable how ignorant of their own bible the teetotalling Christians are. Without refrigeration grape juice becomes unsafe to drink quickly. Fermenting it was the only way it would keep. Also in 1 Tim 3:8 mentions to not have men as deacons if they’re “addicted to much wine”, clearly showing this was not grape juice they’re talking about.

      • @[email protected]
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        412 years ago

        It’s even more directly stated, and specifically about the wine Jesus made. After he turned water into wine, the guests were specifically remarking that hosts generally feed their guests good wine early in the night and pull out cheaper wine after the guests are drunk and can’t tell the difference… But in this case they saved the best for last.

        This is great because it also is a counter point to the argument that some preachers say to the youth about it being DRUNKENNESS that god doesn’t like.

        Nope, not intrinsically, because Jesus lit up a party full of ALREADY drunk people with more booze.

        • @[email protected]
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          62 years ago

          Well the Bible is clear that drunkenness is a sin. It’s stated many times, old and new testament, and without a doubt it’s a problem for a lot of people. But the wedding party wine is a good example that there’s no issue with having a party and people drinking, and as you said, Jesus supplies more wine after they run out. He didn’t feel the need to police everyone.

          • @[email protected]
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            I disagree that the bible is clear that it’s a sin. It’s murky at best.

            There are many warnings of being drunk leading to other sins. I think it’s implied that routine drunkenness inevitably at least leads to sloth. I think there is an important distinction between “getting drunk” and “being a drunkard”.

            It’s pretty clear Paul wasn’t a fan.

            But like, Paul wasn’t the Christ. Paul can hate all he wants but the fact remains that Jesus got a party full of people who were ALREADY drunk MORE DRUNK.

            So, either Christ will himself tempt others into sin or it isn’t a sin.

            I think it’s important to consider the position on temptation. If your hand causes you to sin, it’s better to cut it off kinda thing. If getting drunk leads you to sin, you shouldn’t get drunk.

            In the same way that nobody in the bible or in the same realms of the living would suggest preemptively cutting off the hands and gouging out the eyes at birth to ensure no sins caused by those body parts, it’s similarly reasonable to not take a same blanket preemptive stance on getting drunk.

            I’d never stop someone from making a personal choice not to drink, for literally any reason. I’m pretty wary of anyone who says the bible is “clear” on what is and isn’t a sin, though.

            The definition of sin is the most boring and inconsequential part of the Christian faith and it’s such a shame how many Christians are exclusively obsessed with it.

  • @[email protected]
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    192 years ago

    Wait until he finds out that humans have been drinking alcohol recreationally for at least 8000 years. I reckon heaven would be really rather empty if only people who never drank any alcohol were allowed in

  • Lightor
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    John 2:1-11 New International Version

    Jesus Changes Water Into Wine

    2 On the third day a wedding took place at Cana in Galilee. Jesus’ mother was there, 2 and Jesus and his disciples had also been invited to the wedding. 3 When the wine was gone, Jesus’ mother said to him, “They have no more wine.”

    4 “Woman,[a] why do you involve me?” Jesus replied. “My hour has not yet come.”

    5 His mother said to the servants, “Do whatever he tells you.”

    6 Nearby stood six stone water jars, the kind used by the Jews for ceremonial washing, each holding from twenty to thirty gallons.[b]

    7 Jesus said to the servants, “Fill the jars with water”; so they filled them to the brim.

    8 Then he told them, “Now draw some out and take it to the master of the banquet.”

    They did so, 9 and the master of the banquet tasted the water that had been turned into wine. He did not realize where it had come from, though the servants who had drawn the water knew. Then he called the bridegroom aside 10 and said, “Everyone brings out the choice wine first and then the cheaper wine after the guests have had too much to drink; but you have saved the best till now.”

    11 What Jesus did here in Cana of Galilee was the first of the signs through which he revealed his glory; and his disciples believed in him.

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      “Woman, why do you involve me? My hour has not yet come.”

      Is there a generally accepted explanation of this line? Mary somehow knows he has superpowers long before Jesus starts the cult/religion (despite the obvious problems between them concerning the ‘virgin birth’ myth) - and the first test of a God on Earth is his mom looking at the empty wine cup and saying “can’t you fix this with your magic?”!

      Were they like, regularly making magic water-wine in the house before she and her son went to the party, or - how would she know?

      • @[email protected]
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        Carpenter wasn’t a real high paying job, gotta save money any way you can so just one wine bottle that little J refills every day would make sense.

        Or maybe he was just trying to catch a buzz before the magic show and wanted Mary to step off

      • English Mobster
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        John is sort of a weird gospel because it was written independently of the other three.

        Typically it’s assumed that Mark is oldest of the gospels and written independently. Matthew and Luke are both based on Mark. John, however, remains its own thing and was also written independently, potentially by multiple authors at different times. John was also originally written in Greek and not a translation, as it does wordplay that only works in Greek (see John 3, which makes no sense in English or Aramaic but has a double meaning in Greek).

        One of the ways John is so different from the others is because John plays up the supernatural aspects a bit more. In John, Mary absolutely knows about Jesus’ powers and basically begs Jesus to “blow his cover” as it were, to allow the wedding to save face.

        It’s implied that Mary has always known about Jesus’ “special powers”, especially in John. Mark is much more “down-to-earth” when it comes to describing Jesus’ powers, while Matthew and Luke (as mentioned) copy Mark and add embellishments (the virgin birth, describing the resurrection). Matthew and Luke give Jesus magic powers that he “should” have, whereas John is very explicit about “yeah this is God and he has God powers” in ways the others do not.

        Side note: John is also weird in that Mary and Joseph are basically described as Jesus’ parents. Mary is never mentioned by name, and the virgin birth is never stated. In John, Joseph is also explicitly said to be Jesus’ father, despite, you know… the rest of the New Testament saying he wasn’t. So John is just strange.

  • @[email protected]
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    102 years ago

    Tiff Shuttlesworth sounds like a name from Happy Gilmore. I still love Shooter McGavin but damn, Tiff takes the proverbial cake here.