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Context: https://literature.cafe/post/987996
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I don’t get it. Why is this a risk to you? The material isn’t being hosted on your server; your users are just accessing it via your server. If someone accesses illegal content, is their ISP going to be shut down because they provided that user access? No.
When data get cached, then it is being stored on your server. That’s why admins are wiping their caches and images are getting deleted.
Tell it to your local jurisdiction, that gets hot for your data.
I’m sure the dude kicking in your door will understand
(I know this isn’t how Lemmy works and not how the internet works, but fucked dup sheriffs exist the world over)
Your instance usually downloads a copy of that image to serve faster. It’s not entirely clear cut how this works since it varies, but in this instance the content was cached by pictrs, turning all federated servers subscribed to the community into distributors
If you run a lemmy server, there’s a good chance you’re hosting the content. Servers cache some content, and thumbnails are also generated and cached for external links.
Plus if your server is the one where someone uploaded the content.
then ban nsfw
We did it, Lemmy! Child pornography is no more!
(Someone could just not mark it as nsfw)
the instance im on had to deal with supposed csam on lemmy nsfw
But… but that would be misleading! They cant do that!
Getting spammed by illegal content? Just say no!
Yout hacker can’t legally post on your instance without your consent.
If its a legitimate spam post, the instance has ways of shutting that whole thing down.
This kind of issue is why pawb.social is not open registration. These low effort trolls cause a lot of problems, and i don’t want my server to be responsible for this crap.
Doesn’t matter, you are still effected by this issue since any images from communities you or anyone else on your instance follows get cached on your server, doesn’t matter if you actually looked at them or not. I would advise you to look into this if you are the instance admin and didn’t know this by now.
Correct! I should have specified I mean to prevent our community from being the source of the posts.
Wait are images federated too? Can’t u disable it?
I think only links to the images are federated.
EDIT: I am from the programming.dev instance, and this post links to https://lemmy.ca/pictrs/image/22411ac1-3f76-4904-9f0e-8522311c4ee1.jpeg which seems to come from lemmy.ca and not lemmy.ml where this community is originally from.
Maybe it was cross posted? Not sure.
The thumbnails are hosted on your home instance.
And the content itself? And it’s hosted on the home instance of the uploader or on every home instance and then served to their own users from that one?
It’s just hosted on their home instance. If all the content would be synced, it would be impossible to set up smaller and personal instanced without massive storage capacities.
I see, thanks for the explanation.
Bruh I saw that shit. It was fucked up
Please clear your browser cache and take care of yourself in whatever you need to. I am so sorry you had to see it.
Thanks. Can’t unsee it. It was in my app (Memmy), but I should probably clear that cache.
On Android you can long press an app icon to get to app properties (from launcher or app switcher) and look for storage and then wipe cache
Why are people like this
Because they can.
And because of trauma, I assume (though I could be wrong).
And it’s easy. Society spends so much time and effort making life easier via improvements like simple image uploading and sharing, so of course some piece of shit will use it for this. Just a few clicks and they’ve created headaches for thousands of people. It requires no ability so the barrier of entry is as low as being the kind of trash that likes that stuff.
I would love to have the EFF chime in, but there are some protections for you as a host under the Online Copyright Infringement Liability Limitation Act (OCILLA) - or safe harbor provision in the USA.
As to how that has been tested legally on federated content, I don’t know. Perhaps another elder of the internet can tell me how Usenet servers handle it.
You are right, there is safe harbor protections here. It’s a legal mess that must be navigated carefully. We will see how things progress.
While correct, you still may end up having to deal with the law about it. The whole “you can’t beat the ride” thing. Could be a ton of hassle and legal fees.
What are you implying here? That @gabe should never have bothered with running a server? What about the server you are connected to right now? Should they shut down because of what may travel across it?
No.
They’re protected under the same rules as somebody running a WiFi hotspot at a coffee shop. As long as they are doing everything within reason to be a good steward of their local network (which is what Gabe is doing) then they are protected.
Doesn’t seem like he was implying anything. Just stating the fact that part of the burden of citizenship is sometimes having to interact with law enforcement, maybe even go to trial, even if you’ve done nothing wrong.
Pretty eloquent way of saying what I was trying to express. Thanks
I’m not suggesting anyone should or shouldn’t do anything, nor that I’m not grateful for people that do. Just saying it’s a potential downside that people should seriously consider before hosting any public access systems.
They’re protected under the same rules as somebody running a WiFi hotspot at a coffee shop. As long as they are doing everything within reason to be a good steward of their local network (which is what Gabe is doing) then they are protected
Hopefully, yeah. But again, there’s still this potential of the coffee shop of having all their equipment seized and having to deal with a law enforcement investigation and maybe even the courts. Even if the risk of actual jail time and monetary penalties is low, it’s something people should consider before doing it.
This is one of the reasons I’m not running a public access network or TOR exit node at home even if I think those are worthwhile things to do.
FYI not all jurisdictions deal with website hosting (storage and distribution) as equivalent to hotspot/ internet services (dumb relay)
LW is not hosted in USA.
Don’t have open signups
I thought it says/should say SCAM. Boy was I wrong…
You can look into Cloudflare’s CSAM setting, but I’m not exactly sure what it does.
I don’t understand how a web host is legally responsible for what their users post as long as there’s active moderation removing it in a timely manner.
FYI in USA the law CDA section 230 only preempts state law but not federal law. If something which is federally illegal lands on your server you need to deal with it ASAP
You are correct, there is safe harbor provisions on the matter. There is a legal responsibility to report and store the content securely when it is reported as an admin.
It’s like it’s not enough that you deal with all the technical shit, updating to new versions, checking shit out from GitHub, running builds, paying for the goddamn thing, then you are also responsible for babysitting content? Fuck that. Unless you have a good group of mods/admins it is really difficult to do.
That’s why you either sell your users to the advertisers or charge a monthly subscription. Free internet doesn’t work.
The reality of hosting reddit 2.0 is finally starting to sink in.
I can do all of the above, except for police content.
And Reddit of course had unpaid mods to do that.
So like I say, it can be done, you just need the right team of mods/admins for your own server.
Cool, you and your 5 buddies have a great time. Some of us would like to see a viable alternative to reddit who respects privacy, and doesn’t crash every other day.
Fediverse is going to be known as a kiddie porn haven with the level of professionalism and maturity they have with the major servers.
I have yet to see a single problem with Lemmy over months of daily use. An instance may have crashed in that time but I didn’t notice not seeing certain instances when scrolling, and I don’t seek out particular communities. Helps that I’m hosted on a less popular instance, and the lemmy.ca admins seem to run a tight ship.
I block a couple of communities a day, but that seems to be expected. I also haven’t seen any kiddie porn.
Less discussion than Reddit, and less specific communities, but that’s been easy to forgive because well, fuck Reddit.
If an alternative pops up at some point, I’ll be sure to give it a try. Lemmy is doing just fine for me.
keep in mind that this does not apply to every country in the world.
My guess is that someone noticed that Lemmy doesn’t yet have as robust moderation tools as Mastodon and decided they’d federate "NoNoNo"1 images all over the place just to be a troll
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CSAM
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Very illegal and naughty images of kids
On memmy rn and the spoiler works fine
“Memmy can’t render this spoiler” is something added by Memmy when it errors. OP wrote something else.
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Oh LMAO I can’t believe I thought otherwise. Thx for letting me know.
No problem! I thought the same until I started wondering why everyone was saying that.
Just say some incest rape fetish shit not 10 minutes ago too. People are fucked in the head.
Just had a fun rape/incest porn come across my all doomscroll. So, ya keep up the good work.
Maybe Mozilla could help. I know they’re trying to help make the net less of s toxic place and this is some serious thing.
This is the reason that vlemmy.net shutdown.
Thankfully I was not subscribed to that community so I wasn’t hit by it, but wow it’s a bad situation. I will certainly be more wary and keep an eye on things, ready to purge any images just in case
