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I don’t see any of this as legitimate reasons to stop using Brave.
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yes the CEO donated $1k some 10 years ago to anti-LGBT stuff, and that’s bad, but kinda small fries in the totality of factors.
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ads. Firefox has ads and trackers just like Brave. You can disable them on either.
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you can also disable crypto.
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hijacking affiliate codes is unethical and should be stopped but don’t actually affect me in any way.
What else ya got?
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Fine, but, like, don’t recommend Vivaldi. Also, if you disable the Brave ads, you’re not really supporting them, while still getting the benefits.
— Sent from Librewolf
So stop using it because of your feelings? No thanks.
you clearly didn’t read the article
I’ve read the article and I don’t understand the issue.
The founder is a homophobe
I don’t care. He represents Brave just as little as he represents Mozilla or Javascript.
It didn’t do ad replacements
I don’t care. Why should that be a reason not to use the browser? It doesn’t have a feature that no other browser has either, oh no.
Setting up a system to turn BAT into money isn’t worth it for websites, since not enough people use Brave to generate relevant revenue
I don’t care. If you care about maximizing websites’ profit, you should use Chrome (with no adblock).
It’s bloated with Web3 stuff
I don’t care. Browsers are extremely bloated anyways.
They partnered with Web3 companies
I don’t care. They didn’t try to scam anyone, they just offered services/features for those interested in Web3.
They added affiliate codes to URLs
I care a little, but not much. Claiming it’s anti privacy is ridiculous. The website can see you’re using Brave no matter whether you’re using an affiliate link or not. But it’s still something a browser definitely shouldn’t do without user consent (and an option to opt out).
I mean this respectfully, but it is not an article but a blog post.
you’re technically correct, which is the best kind of correct. english is not my first language, that’s why i mixed this up probably.
Who cares, it’s a browser…use whatever you like.
The author of the article has some personal issues it seems, article is more of a rant. I like brave as an alternative browser.
I only use brave for iOS because it is the best there is
FYI every browser on iOS has to use webkit under the hood as per crapple’s diktat, it’s just a fork of safari like PC brave is a fork of chromium, eve Firefox on iOS uses webkit AFAIK
It’s the only one that blocks ads everywhere though
I use Firefox + Brave Search.
TL;DR: The article claims that the Brave web browser is bad and should not be used.
The author points out that Brendan Eich, the creator of JavaScript, co-founder (and ex-CEO) of Mozilla, and founder of Brave, donated 1,000 USD in support of a proposition to ban same-sex marriage. Along with making the claim that Brave’s goal is not to act as an ad-blocker, but instead to build and grow their own advertisement network, and he also believes that the network has several flaws:
- Brave Ads paysout in a form of cryptocurrency, called BAT (🦇).
- As BAT is a cryptocurrency there is high volatility.
- BAT can not be redeemed for fiat (“actual”) money directly from within the Brave Wallet.
- The author also believes that “it [the network] has largely failed” but that it “has generated a lot of revenue for Brave,” via the ICO (Initial Coin Offering; IPO for crypto).
In addition to these key points the author also:
- Claims that Brave prompted FTX, before the scandal.
- Cites the The Brave Marketer Podcast where ex-CMO of Crypto.com Steven Kalifowitz shares an ambitious goal of being a “‘brand like Coke and Netflix.’” The author then mentions that:
- In 2023 there was a report from The Financial Times that Crypto.com traded against their customers.
- In 2022 the company try to hide the severity of its layoffs.
- Mentions Brave’s integration with Gemini, and how the crypto exchange is under investigation for lying about FDIC insurance.
- Mentions a partnership with the the 3XP Web3 Gaming Expo where they sponsored the Esports Arena and rewarded contestants with the BAT token.
- Claims that Brave added affiliate/referral codes to URLs, such as “binance.us.”
Finally, the author lists Firefox and Vivaldi as alternatives to Brave, and ends the article with “Brave Browser is irredeemable, and you should not use it under any circumstances.”
I am human, please let me know if I’ve made a mistake.
Edit: Fixed bat emoji and typo.
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well thats a bunch of lies
Bro spitting facts.
Mozilla Fandogs are attacking
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Brave is still bad. With their “incidents” they had. Brave is chromium = Google controlled in a way. Brave is a coorperation, yes a PROFIT seeking company. Mozilla does nit promote google, it uses duckduckgo as its default search engine. There are forks from Firefox too that hardens the browser and the develop/ceo is not a complete *ss. The referal link “scam” was real, they injected it in Amazon links…
Screw Brave go search for a real alternative to google.
Firefox does default to Google. If you see DDG, it’s likely an edit by your distribution.
Also, Brave Search is a real alternative. It’s one of the few engines aside from Google, Bing and Yandex that has its own crawler.
Oh yeah i forgot i used librewolf too much XD. Brave Search creeps on you. Privacy Policy is unreadable and unreachable. Tbh. if you want a privacy protecting search engine. Use Searx(ng).
I host my own instance of SearxNG, in which I enabled Brave search engine.
Good :)
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Brave is way worse using Chromium. That is the point. Its dependent on google 100%. I dont know Fitefox? What is it? Is it a rare fox? Brave injects ads (targeted ads) into your websites. Injects referal urls into their results. The CEO is a corrupt bad person. They implemented in their earlier stages a hidden crypto miner. Recommending Extensions? Are you sure that chrome doesnt do it too?
Okey lol.
These people are basically a cult. Do not bother trying to enlighten the Brave browser
communitycult. If you use brave, you are a certifiable idiot.I’m open to suggestions for a workable alternative on iOS that blocks ads.
-An idiot, apparently
Doesn’t iOS only use webkit based browsers? I would imagine the reason you can get ad blocking through brave is some kind of deal they have with google. Which probably means they’re just giving them all the data google would collect normally.
Firefox on iOS doesn’t have ad blocking because apple took support away in webkit. The only way brave could be doing it is by being white listed by the company serving the ad to you somehow.
Both Mac and iOS have issues with VPN usage too but that’s unrelated to webkit.
Yes Apple forces everyone through webkit and won’t allow third-party blockers. Brave on iOS was forked from Firefox anyway, and iirc uses the same API to block ads as Firefox Focus. Google is most definitely not involved, particularly because both block YouTube ads (and is my primary reason for using Brave anyway).
I’m not sure what you’re referencing in regard to VPN usage; I have had zero problems with mine.
Hopefully the Digital Markets Act in EU will put an end to iOS’s browser monopoly. When that happens Firefox might be looking to port their Android browser to iOS which supports addons like uBlock but nothing is for certain right now.
I know it isn’t hope you’re looking for, but it’s the best I can do with my current knowledge.
I appreciate that but my response was more intended to chastise the guy blanket labeling people cultists and idiots for no good reason because they hate a browser someone else uses.
The system-wide AdGuard app handles most things well enough, and Brave does its thing on YouTube ads without issue.
Firefox Focus will also take care of YouTube ads (if anyone else stumbles down this rabbit hole), but it’s too heavy-handed for me because I actually stay logged into my account and use my history.
My Pi-hole install also handles all but YouTube if I’m at home, so there’s that.
Mozilla deals with Google
With how much revenue comes from those deals, we might say it’s practically financed by Google. FF is more Google than Chromium-based Brave if you follow the money.
The author points out that Brendan Eich, the creator of JavaScript, co-founder (and ex-CEO) of Mozilla, and founder of Brave, donated 1,000 USD in support of a proposition to ban same-sex marriage.
My impression was Brave got started after he got hoofed out of Mozilla or left on his own accord after the backlash for showing his ass to be a homophobe. Redditor types were of course very angry about this blatant disregard for frozen peaches and jumped onto his new venture in droves
afaik he was pushed out of mozilla over the same 1k dono
If he’s bad, shouldn’t everything he touches be bad? Why web site that uses JavaScript should be just as bad. Any browser based on Mozilla should be bad. Why is it just Brave that’s bad for what he did in 2008?
Because it is cool thing to cancel everything in 2023.
As I understand it, the argument isn’t so much “if you use a thing made by a bad person, you are a bad person by association” but rather that using a commercial product made by a bad person, who spends his money on bad causes, is directly helping him spend more money on said bad causes. Since he has never apologized or shown any indication that he has become a better person, not wanting to monetarily support him is a valid reason to not use his product.
It’s really hard for the creator of Javascript to make money off of javascript, and it’s unlikely he has any financial interest in the Mozilla corporation anymore since they’re a nonprofit and thus don’t have share holders. However, he directly profits off of Brave.
As BAT is a cryptocurrency there is high volatilability (I don’t know if I spelled that right :/ ).
Volatility :-)
But Volatilability sounds cool
Very volatibable word
Agree :-D
Thank you, I fixed it!
These guys tried to get a previous employer of mine to advertise with them. It works great if your entire audience is tech bros. Ours was not.
Genuine question: I use brave currently. I really heavily on multiple profiles (work, side-business, personal) that are easy to switch between or have active all at the same time in separate windows.
I tried firefox, but in my experience, the method for changing “profiles” was unintuitive and cumbersome. Was I just doing it wrong, or does Firefox not have that same kind of feature?
I really wanna use Firefox, but that’s a deal-breaker.
Plus Firefox has the same problem that Chrome does. And that problem is the shit ton of ads that pop up every goddamn place.
That’s why you install an adblocker like uBlock Origin in Firefox. The browser isn’t responsible for blocking ads, that’s what add-ons are for.
The browser isn’t responsible for blocking ads
It is for Brave.
What ads? I use Firefox and its forks and I haven’t seen an ad.
This isn’t a browser issue, it’s an Internet issue. And it’s easily fixed on Firefox.
I’ve never had a problem with them and I really like the Facebook container feature for when I have to use Messenger to contact friends
There are a few ways! I have separate Firefox profiles for everything.
The least effort way is to visit about:profiles, then you get a list of them all and can add/remove them. I have it bookmarked or pinned as a tab in all of my different profiles.
Second, but takes more effort is you can make desktop or start menu shortcuts to the profiles. In short (on windows at least) you copy the Firefox shortcut, edit it, then add -p “Profile Name”. There might be more to it? Maybe good to Google this one for a better description. But I literally have a start menu shortcut for all like 7 of mine, then it’s just like launching a different application.
Or have a shortcut that has something like this as its target:
"C:\Program Files (x86)\Mozilla Firefox\firefox.exe" --ProfileManager --allow-downgrade -no-remote
This just opens the profile manager every time. The only caveat is that you have to click “launch” every time as there’s no timeout. But I also do have an autohotkey script that does the timeout for me, pressing “enter” after 30s.Do you have a way for the window to show which profile it belongs to?
use container tabs, not separate profiles. profiles are for installing separate sets of addons and the like.
That’s why I need the separate profiles. Some work add-ons I don’t care to have on personal, and vice versa. I like totally segmented preferences.
Edit: I get it now. It’s worth the overlapping add ons. This should do it.
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Maybe multi account containers for Firefox could work for you? I find it very useful.
Interesting! I’ll give it a whirl.
As if people really using a browser with a built-in advertising network.
Rehashed article, reposted on Lemmy. How about people stop telling others what browser to use and not to use?
"I just want to browse for god’s sake
"If you don’t want to be informed, fine. Nobody’s forcing you to use a different browser either.
The article presents almost no techical reason for Brave being bad, with the affiliate links thing being the worst offender. Don’t like the crypto stuff? Turn it off. “CEO bad” doesn’t mean much, there’re very few leaders with clean hands, if any, and the product itself works well. It’s not like Firefox doesn’t have its fair share of issues both as a product and as a company/ “foundation”
All I read is cryptocurrency hating.
Do they do anything that’s bad for my privacy?
Cryptocurrency hating is good.
I guess if you like protest movements to have their funding cut-off by corporations (eg Occupy Wall Street)
Brave is a better choice than Google Chrome / Opera / Edge by miles.
Still, the only ethical choice is Firefox.
The affiliate links are enough to stop using brave tho
Affiliate links can be done ethically. Devs gotta eat
Your idea of ethical is overwriting affiliate links from small journalism sites that clearly state they’re affiliate links and instead quietly replacing them with links that benefit a corporation that raised money off of crypto?
And they did it in the worst way possible LOL
“Tell me you only read headlines without telling me”
It’s chromium with a different hat. If you trust chromium, you can probably trust this as easily.
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Stop respawning this post again and again. Seriously.
Every so much time someone wakes up and decides to bash Brave, which is fair, but they always have leave out all the nuance
Make me
i’ll give you a cookie. not the shitty browser kind either: a full fledged double fudge. the clock is ticking
